Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent

[Sandy Millard]

Thank you. What do you mean "a compound pharmacy"?
After reading as much as possible, all I can do is keep Sonny comfortable and 
make sure he eats good food.
I dread what is to come. 


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I would get an antibiotic to help their compromised immune system and suggest a 
compound pharmacy to provide a liquid form- I’m no vet, and do not have medical 
training , so, take this as a layman talking-I currently have 15 cats in our 
home-strictly inside only-so take this as only a layperson sharing—imho- you 
need a stronger solution as you evaluate the risks.
 So sorry you’re struggling with this, it’s hard, I know!❤️❤️
Gloria

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> On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:17 PM, Sandy Millard  wrote:
> 
> I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help minimize the 
> symptoms of upper respiratory infections?
> 
> I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food and 
> water.  Is there a product that will boost what i am already using? 
> Sandy
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[Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent

[Sandy Millard]

I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help minimize the 
symptoms of upper respiratory infections?

I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food and 
water.  Is there a product that will boost what i am already using? 
Sandy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Spice

[Sandy]

Happy Tails!! Been following along - had nothing to add - so happy that vet is 
willing to try - sure can't hurt. Best of luck

Sandy W

> On June 20, 2018 at 4:10 PM Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Judith. I think that Diamondback had provided Winstrol in a liquid 
> form to others on this chatline. I have no experience at all with that so I 
> cannot comment. My vet uses a compounding pharmacy which makes the Winstrol 
> in small 1 mg tablets which I find easy to pill.
> 
>  
> 
> Amani
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of judith 
> cook
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 4:07 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Spice
> 
>  
> 
> I am elated!  My vet just called wanting to know the tel.# of Diamondback 
> Drugs and wanting to verify that the Winstrol comes in tablets that can be 
> used in 1mg doses.  I had assumed that this was the case - am I right?  She 
> had called her regular drug supplier who only had it in 25mg tablets.  
> Anyway, gave her the tel. #.  Spice is already on doxycyline (for 2 days) but 
> not prednizone.  I am so encouraged that my vet is receptive to this 
> treatment.  I suppose because…. well, might as well try it.  Please advise, 
> and thank you all!
> 
> Judy  
> 


 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Meds all at once.....

[Sandy]

Maribel, I'd follow up with a little liquid

Sandy W

> On May 17, 2018 at 12:27 PM Maribel Piloto <pilo...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
>  
>  
> Yes - this is one of my fears.   Over the week I work and feed colonies 
> and so I only see Flaqui in the morning and late at night.  She sleeps with 
> me but it would seem as if whenever I was awake, I would be plunging 
> medicines down her throat.  I was concerned about the interaction of the 
> medicines but if you guys don't think that's a problem, I will definitely do 
> everything at once.
> 
> Maribel
> 
>  
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are 
> treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
> 
> 
> 
> -
> From: ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 10:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Meds all at once.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Maribel
> At those time that I have had to give multiple meds I preferred ( both
> for my own comfort and my relationship with my Kitties) to do it all at
> once ( usually 2-3 times a day) I found that when I tried spacing
> meds out throughout the day my cats regarded me as this evil being that
> was only going to cause them discomfort ( " Hey every time he reaches
> for me it's only to shove something down my throat!!!  what's up with
> THAT" )
> Yeah...maybe it was me imagining it butmassed meds worked better.   
> BTW in those instances when one or two of the meds were injections I
> did those at different times of the day   I would not have had that
> freedom, however, had I not been retired at the time..   Sometimes
> the exigencies of life dictate what one MUST do
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol, Doxy and Prednisolone

[Sandy]

WOW - quick action from Diamondback Drugs! Best of luck - don't give up!!

Sandy W

> On May 16, 2018 at 6:44 PM Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Maribel, I think that is really an issue of comfort for you and for your 
> cat. I personally prefer to do it all at once, because I prefer not to have 
> to constantly be grabbing my cat, all day long, and giving her/him more meds. 
> I therefore prefer to prolong the single session rather than break it into 
> multiple sessions. I suggest that you might consider holding off on the 
> iron/B12 supplement for now. Most supplements, vitamins, etc., don’t need to 
> be given daily anyway.
> 
>  
> 
> Amani
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Maribel Piloto
> Sent: May-16-18 6:38 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol, Doxy and Prednisolone
> 
>  
> 
> Ok guys - thanks to ALL the help from everyone - I got the Winstrol, Doxy 
> and Prednisolone (all in liquid from Diamondback Drugs) and I'm ready to 
> start my Flaqui on this to treat her anemia.  One more question - I give 
> Flagui Liqui-Tinic which is an iron/B-12 supplement 1ml twice a day.  Now I 
> have to incorporate these other three medicines into her regiment.  So should 
> I give all these liquids to her at the same time?  Should I wait for an hour 
> or more in between liquids.  It seems like a lot of liquids and different 
> medicines to give at the same time and I suspect it would REALLY stress her 
> out (she isn't the easiest of cats to medicate).  What do you guys do with 
> your cats?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Maribel & Flaqui
> 
>  
> 
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are 
> treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 


 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp

[Sandy]

This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but your answer 
lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this will work if your vet 
will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - BUT you and the vet need to act 
immediately. - good luck. You will probably get more responses - Sandy W


Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day

Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day

Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day

If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving 
stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the 
effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of 
apometocloprimide.

If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might 
consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and 
kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase 
in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also 
increase the liver enzymes faster.

 Hope this helps! Amani


 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

 Amani,

Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they must 
have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them.

Thanks,   Gary

 On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:

Hi Sherri

I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is 
that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back into 
the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to interfere 
with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, though I 
believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. But at the 
outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the Doxycycline on 
board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it from rising.

Amani

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Hi Liz

The only thing that works to turn back on red cell production is Winstrol 
(Stanazolol). It is an ANABOLIC steroid (as opposed to most steroids we are 
used to getting, like prednisone, which is a corticosteroid.

Anabolic steroids are ones which build muscle, tissue, etc.

Adding Winstrol to the combination of medication you have your cat on right 
now, would be the best thing to do. The Doxycycline acts to slow down or 
inhibit the reproduction of the FeLV virus by interfering the RNA duplication. 
The prednisone is helpful in keeping inflammation at bay, but neither of these 
helps to increase the red cells. The Winstrol acts directly and very quickly on 
the bone marrow and seems to get red cells generated again, quite promptly. At 
least it did for my Zander, and I have been contacted directly by several 
people from this group, who have reported to me that they also saw almost 
immediate (within 3 days) evidence of their cats’ gums/ears/pads pinkening up.

The problem is that Winstrol is a controversial drug because it is also what 
professional athletes use to get bigger, stronger and faster. Quite 
unfortunately (since none of our cats are entering the Olympics) that 
association with doping scandals has cast a shadow on its use in both animal 
and people medicine. In human medicine, it is the only drug found to be 
effective in treating hereditary angioedema and anemia.

Here is a blurb I found about it:

Winstrol was first invented in 1959. Soon after that, the UK based Winthrop 
Laboratories created a prescription medicine from it. Later, in 1961, 
Winthrop’s patent was bought by the US based Sterling that started 
manufacturing and selling the drug in the American markets.

In the beginning, Winstrol was used for a variety of medical reasons. But 
later, by the 1970s, the FDA had restricted its use to only promoting growth 
and treating osteoporosis. In the 1980s, there was a termination of the 
manufacture of anabolic steroids in the American market. But Winstrol was among 
those steroids which not only survived, but thrived in the 1980s and 1990s. 
During this period, its use was reinforced as a cure for anemia – as it had the 
power to boost red blood cell count, and was used as a treatment for facial 
swelling or angioedema.

When the manufacture of Winstrol was finally discontinued, Ovation 
Pharmaceuticals bought the rights to manufacture it, in 2003. However, Ovation 
Pharmaceuticals have ceased their operations now, so the Winstrol products 
available today in the American markets are only generic and not pharmaceutical 
grade. Outside the USA, however, several large brands still manufacture and 
sell Winstrol.

Genuine Stanozolol can be distinguished in water suspensions because it 
separates from the liquid into micrometer

Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis and FeLV cats

[Sandy]

I have a cat - not FeLV - but never-the-less - who had all but the front teeth 
removed due to Stomatitis - after healing he does eat Royal Canin Mother/Baby 
cat kibble and wet food


Sandy W

> On April 24, 2018 at 2:27 PM Maribel Piloto <pilo...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
>  
>  
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a very sweet indoor-only gray tabby named Spencer who at only 2 
> yrs of age sadly tested positive for FeLV.   Spencer has developed stomatitis 
> which makes it very hard for him to eat.  He had always enjoyed his food but 
> in the last few months it's gotten to the point where he only gets in one or 
> two licks before he yelps and runs away in pain.  He's lost weight as a 
> result.  I know that for stomatitis, the long-term solution is usually a 
> full-mouth extraction of all teeth.   In May I will be getting a bonus at 
> work and plan on taking him to a dentist I've used many times before to get 
> him evaluated for the procedure and probably have it done.   In the meantime, 
> I've been giving him a powder called Plaque Off which is supposed to help 
> with stomatitis.  I can get Spencer to eat the baby food that comes in these 
> tiny jars and is just chicken/turkey/ham and cornstarch so I mix the powder 
> with that.  So far, it hasn't been doing much.   In the past, when I've had 
> otherwise hea
 lthy cats with stomatitis, I've gotten them shots of Depo Medrol every other 
month or a couple of times a year and this has cleared the swelling.  Depo is a 
steroid which reduces inflammation but also, suppresses the immune system.
> 
> For those of you who may be familiar with stomatitis and Depo in FeLV...
> 
> do you think the full-mouth extraction is the way to go?  
> 
> Do you think it would be ok to get Spencer at least one shot of the Depo 
> to alleviate the stomatitis until I can get him the full-mouth extraction in 
> May?  
> 
> Spencer likes those jars of baby food but I'm sure they don't have all 
> the nutrition a cat needs.  Any supplements you can recommend that I could 
> add to those - giving him something by mouth is impossible.
> 
> Would appreciate any thoughts/advice you can share.
> 
> Maribel & Spencer
> 
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> treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Maynard-Tabby Boy

[Sandy]

Hello Mirna,


hopefully, things will get under control - remember jars of human baby food and 
chicken (not canned) broth help with eating.  Hopefully, your vet will come on 
board with what Amani suggests - and Amani really knows about this.

Best of luck and your kitty cats are in my thoughts and prayers

Sandy W

> On April 23, 2018 at 7:03 PM Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Mirna
> 
>  
> 
> It is a bit difficult to determine why your little boy may be having 
> seizures.
> 
>  
> 
> With all the things he has on board (FeLV, possible worms, infection, not 
> eating) I would contemplate that some of his levels (like calcium or 
> magnesium) may be low. Try getting these things in liquid form or make them 
> up in liquid form, and provide them orally with a syringe. Keep him trying to 
> eat – use baby food and Wiskas kitten milk in syringes to keep his food 
> intake up.
> 
>  
> 
> He may need some anti-seizure medication for now – phenobarbital, 
> diazepam or gabapentin. He should be given an injectable at the vets – 
> diazepam or phenobarb. Don’t leave him at the vets if you can help it. He 
> needs to be home and in a quiet place. It seems like maybe these are stress 
> seizures, which are rare in cats, but can happen. Get him home, get him warm, 
> keep him eating. Get your vet to prescribe the following combination of meds 
> for FeLV:
> 
>  
> 
> 5 mg daily of prednisolone (or giving half, twice a day)
> 
> 1 mg x 2 a day of stanazolol (winstrol)
> 
> 50 mg Doxycycline, twice a day
> 
>  
> 
> The one you’ll have trouble getting is the Winstrol, but it is the key to 
> recovery. It will help improve his appetite, put weight on, make him feel 
> better, and improve his red cell production. Your vet will probably never 
> have heard of it, or if he does, he will be against it (it is an anabolic 
> steroid). Your vet will need to order it from a compounding pharmacy.
> 
>  
> 
> Good luck with your little boy.
> 
>  
> 
> Amani
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> mirna m
> Sent: April-23-18 5:14 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Maynard-Tabby Boy
> 
>  
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I am new here:)I have absolutely no experience with FeLV but my rescue 
> group does,but this last cat has us all confused.I picked up a small boy last 
> wednesday,about a year old, extremely emaciated,1.5kg, 39.7 degrees Celsius 
> temperature,severe nasal and occular discharge ,difficulty swollowing.As it 
> was evening, he got the basic atb's, Baytril and Gentamicine and we went 
> home.This is were the real trouble stared as he wouldn't eat.I situated him 
> in another building in the yard,as I have 8 cats,all of them rescues. Next 
> morning we hurried to the vet,and after doing the test,he was FeLV 
> positive.He stayed for an IV,and in the afternoon I picked him up.He also got 
> uniflox eyedrops,something for his ear parasites,and I clean his nose,and 
> that is it.He was too weak for deworming or anything else.He started eating 
> that same afternoon,gotten a lot better but due to a nose discharge,the vet 
> changed his atb yesterday to amoxycillin and gentamicin...and it was fine 
> untill this morning.We went to the vet,he got his shots and as soon as I put 
> him back in the transporter to go home,he had a seizure.My heart stopped as I 
> thought he was having an anaphylactic shock.But he came back in seconds,and I 
> left him so he can get therapy and IV fluids.Came back on the afternoon,we 
> made arrangements we would just go back on Baytril the next morning.Started 
> walking to m car,he started a series of sneezes,unable to stop,and there it 
> was again,a really short .I rushed him back in, but by the time he was on the 
> table,he was fine.The vet gave him glucocorticoids(I know they are bad)in 
> case of a continuous allergy reaction.I really don't know what is wrong.He 
> started getting better,even gained 0.2kg in a few days and now this.I did not 
> want to leave him there as he is uncomfortable and no one works there at 
> night.We got home,he was incredibly hungry and wanted to eat a lot,also we 
> cuddled and I left him.Usually,since the moment I picked him up,he would 
> usually go to sleep but now he just sits,like he is waiting for me.I want him 
> to rest and to sleep.I am so afraid of tomorrow morning an his shots.I really 
> don't know if this was stress or a real reaction to drugs,or epilepsy or 
> something else.Also a bit worried because of glucocortico

Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

[Sandy]

Hi Bob - I use the BENE-BAC with a syringe - but you are probably correct with 
getting it under control with corticosteroids.  I had a Japanese Bobtail MX, 
who had special problems and I had to do that with him off and on - before I 
knew about the pre/probiotics. Best of luck - I know you won't stop trying to 
give a quality of life to the best of your ability.
Sandy W
> On February 23, 2018 at 3:52 PM ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> I,m sorry for the loss of your Ally Pamit never gets easier
> but so good of you to give a quality life to those less fortunate 
> creatures who would be dying
> alone in a cage.it,s a kindness I really admire.
> 
> 
> And Sandy, thank you for the suggestion..Ive tries a few food 
> additives
> at this point a d the problem is he just wont eat themIve got a 
> hundres bucks worth of pre and pro biotics here and he just picks at his 
> food.  he,s underweight to begin with and i dont want him losing 
> more.. im going back today to cooking him a bland diet of chicken 
> and rice and will again start adding medicine but in minute amounts a d 
> building up.im beginning to think he really needs a course of 
> corticosteroids to get this initially under control.
> 
> 
> bob9
> 
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> > Hi all ? Pam, Sorry to hear about your Ally.  My Peekers will be 20 in 
> > April, and I?m not sure she will make it to this milestone. Her joints 
> > seem to be giving out, and she eats sporadically although she drinks a 
> > lot of water (diabetic?). Who knows??. At this point we are just 
> > keeping her as comfy as possible and putting up with her very loud 
> > talking (she must be a bit deaf). I don?t even know what 20 would be 
> > in cat years.
> >
> >
> > And our Topaz is doing well. She is doing a lot of the things Tigger 
> > used to do. I have come to the conclusion cats react to the way their 
> > family treats them.
> >
> >
> > Ardy
> >
> >
> >
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> > Of Pam Doore
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> >
> > Hi Bob and all,
> > I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions 
> > about not seeing posts.
> >
> > I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a month 
> > later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a 
> > 6+-year-old boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a 
> > shelter in the southern tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is 
> > also Tommy.  I took home a FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring 
> > and I wanted him to have a home and lots of love for whatever time he 
> > has.  He is playing, eating, and giving lots of love and demanding 
> > lots of love!  He is living in my Master suit while he is being 
> > vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his Sunny and Tommy who are 
> > super eager to meet him :).
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL  > wrote:
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> > Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

[Sandy]

Bob, have you tried BENE-BAC PLUS - pet gel??  I got it on Chewy.com - 
inexpensive - and good to have on hand anyway.  Tested for coccidia I'm 
guessing.  try the BENE-BAC

> On February 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM Ardy Robertson <ardyr@centurytel.n
> 

Sandy W

> et> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an 
> extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. They used a 
> cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't think they used any oil 
> of any kind - just the flour and possibly a small amount of water, and just 
> stir it until it browns and sort of burns. Then get him to eat a small 
> amount. Apparently this was given to babies who had life-threatening diarrhea 
> when nothing else worked.
> 
>  
> 
> I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be something like 
> a parasite causing it? Not surejust trying to help 
> 
>  
> 
> Ardy
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:37 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided to 
> unsubscribe
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> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few months 
> ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ for a 
> few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, mercifully, so far 
> only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of the bunch) 
> quessing the others had been older when they had their exposure  Think we 
> might already have a place that will give a home to this cutie 
> unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy in 
> isolation here at our shelter. He needs company
> 
>  
> 
> Hope all is well with your Kitties my two old guys are doing pretty 
> well. Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on 
> life. He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER Jerry is still 
> suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to control 
> it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far.
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> Bob in Warwick NY
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[Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate

[Sandy]

Happy Tails!! 
Sandy W 
- Original Message -

From: dlg...@windstream.net 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 5:02:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate 

No appology necessary. It is great news that someone besides us cares enough to 
do what is right. 

 marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
> Sorry for spamming, but I wanted to share my joy with you. 
> My friend just brought me the stargate. 
> I am proud of my country, my Italian vet, the Italian pharmacist, my family 
> and my friends that arranged everything in less than 12 hours. 
> Maybe it won't have any effects, but with all their contributions they are 
> giving me the possibility to try. 
> Above all my country that kept it legal for animals, despite all the stupid 
> humans abusing of it. 
> And thanks to Ardy, Sandy, Amani, Lorrie, dlgegg and you all for the support. 
> Marlène and Microbo 
> 
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> 
> [cid:1c57407f-6d40-4c55-874f-2de3209e986e@eurprd09.prod.outlook.com] 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stargate?

[Sandy]

sure happy to know that article is a good thing for "us". Just happened to 
pop-up 
Sandy W 

- Original Message -

From: "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 6:58:29 PM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Stargate? 



Sandy 



I cannot tell you how happy your post, below, makes me. Much of what is in the 
Drs. Fosters & Smith website, sounds like it was taken from my hundreds of 
posts, verbatim. I feel a little vindicated, because most of this stuff I 
worked out on my own by observation, lab testing, researching etc. My 
hypotheses were just that. Seeing this stuff posted, and looking like it came 
from an interview with me, helps me to stop wondering at times if I am just 
plain crazy, since no one else seemed to know or understand this stuff – 
especially the vets. 



I didn’t know of the second anabolic steroid – nandrolone. I have no idea if it 
is as good as the Winstrol, but it would be nice if there were additional 
options rather than just Winstrol. 



A couple of things though. Dogs have had good responses to Winstrol as well, 
but they suffer far more from the side-effects than cats do. Also, Winstrol has 
very little of the androgenic side-effects, like virilisation – even in human 
athletes. Winstrol is considered pretty safe in that regard. 



As I am mentioned as recently as my post today though, Winstrol is very good 
for a whole lot of conditions. It’s ability to regenerate bone marrow and get 
red cell, white cell and platelet production increased, is what makes it very 
helpful in treating FeLV cats. But it has applications in many, many conditions 
where cats (and dogs, and sheep and horses – studies show), are run-down, ill, 
ailing, not eating, wasting away, etc. 



Boy, does it feel good to know that I am not alone, crying in the wilderness 
about this stuff! 



Amani 




From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy 
Sent: November-02-17 5:09 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate? 







The Androgen Group-Anabolic Steroids 




Veterinary & Aquatic Services Department, Drs. Foster & Smith 









Print Article   

|   

Email Article 
















This is from the Drs. Fosters & Smith website - for anyone interested 


Sandy W 








These compounds are related to the male hormone testosterone. They are referred 
to as the anabolic steroids because they cause the formation of new proteins. 
As we stated before, they are often abused by athletes trying to increase 
strength and muscle mass. Their use in canine medicine, while infrequent, is 
related to these and similar properties. 





Anabolic steroids come in liquid forms for injection and tablets for oral 
administration. Two of the most commonly used in canine medicine are stanozolol 
(Winstrol-V) and nandrolone (DecaDurabolin). 

Animals that have been sick for a long time or who have been through severe, 
debilitating injuries often have generalized weakness and atrophied muscles. In 
some, this has progressed to the point where the animals can no longer walk or 
even stand. Their bodies are just too run down, and without some outside 
stimulation, they simply may give up the will to live. 



Anabolic steroids are sometimes useful in these situations. The therapy may 
take several weeks. The medications can be most helpful if the veterinarian 
recognizes the condition before too much strength is lost. Anabolic steroids 
assist the body in regaining its muscle mass by building new proteins, which 
are the primary constituent of muscle fibers. Additionally, they help 
strengthen existing muscles. 



In some of these same cases, anabolic steroids are frequently used to stimulate 
the debilitated or recovering patient's appetite. To achieve this effect 
usually requires several days to several weeks of therapy for significant 
changes. 

The anabolic steroids are also useful in treating certain types of anemia . 
Anemia is the term used to describe lower than normal numbers of red blood 
cells (RBCs). In certain cases where the bone marrow has stopped producing new 
RBCs, administration of anabolic steroids will stimulate this system and bring 
the number of these cells back to normal levels. They also are known to 
stimulate the production of white blood cells and platelets (tiny cells in 
blood that assist in clotting) to a lesser degree. In these situations, the 
anabolic steroids are useful only in increasing the numbers of these cells. 
They do not increase the ability of the cells to function . 



Kidney failure often brings on anemia because these organs may fail to produce 
the substance erythropoietin. Its normal function is to monitor the level of 
RBCs in the body and to stimulate the bone marrow to inc

Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate?

[Sandy]

The Androgen Group-Anabolic Steroids 
Veterinary & Aquatic Services Department, Drs. Foster & Smith   
Print Article   |   Email Article 


This is from the Drs. Fosters & Smith website - for anyone interested 
Sandy W 


These compounds are related to the male hormone testosterone. They are referred 
to as the anabolic steroids because they cause the formation of new proteins. 
As we stated before, they are often abused by athletes trying to increase 
strength and muscle mass. Their use in canine medicine, while infrequent, is 
related to these and similar properties. 



Anabolic steroids come in liquid forms for injection and tablets for oral 
administration. Two of the most commonly used in canine medicine are stanozolol 
(Winstrol-V) and nandrolone (DecaDurabolin). 

Animals that have been sick for a long time or who have been through severe, 
debilitating injuries often have generalized weakness and atrophied muscles. In 
some, this has progressed to the point where the animals can no longer walk or 
even stand. Their bodies are just too run down, and without some outside 
stimulation, they simply may give up the will to live. 




Anabolic steroids are sometimes useful in these situations. The therapy may 
take several weeks. The medications can be most helpful if the veterinarian 
recognizes the condition before too much strength is lost. Anabolic steroids 
assist the body in regaining its muscle mass by building new proteins, which 
are the primary constituent of muscle fibers. Additionally, they help 
strengthen existing muscles. 




In some of these same cases, anabolic steroids are frequently used to stimulate 
the debilitated or recovering patient's appetite. To achieve this effect 
usually requires several days to several weeks of therapy for significant 
changes. 

The anabolic steroids are also useful in treating certain types of anemia . 
Anemia is the term used to describe lower than normal numbers of red blood 
cells (RBCs). In certain cases where the bone marrow has stopped producing new 
RBCs, administration of anabolic steroids will stimulate this system and bring 
the number of these cells back to normal levels. They also are known to 
stimulate the production of white blood cells and platelets (tiny cells in 
blood that assist in clotting) to a lesser degree. In these situations, the 
anabolic steroids are useful only in increasing the numbers of these cells. 
They do not increase the ability of the cells to function . 




Kidney failure often brings on anemia because these organs may fail to produce 
the substance erythropoietin. Its normal function is to monitor the level of 
RBCs in the body and to stimulate the bone marrow to increase production when 
RBC numbers are too low. In its absence, anabolic steroids are often useful in 
reversing the effects of this anemia. They do not cause new erythropoietin to 
be produced; they only replace its function. 

In many situations, the anabolic steroids fail to provide the benefits 
described here. Regardless of which particular product is used, it is often 
impossible to reverse the condition present. These are not miracle drugs that 
can save every debilitated or severely ill patient, but in some they can help. 

As stated, these medications are closely related to testosterone and many of 
the problems associated with their usage are brought on by the normal actions 
of the male hormones. They can cause cessation of heat cycles and imitation 
mounting behavior in females. In males, they have been found to increase the 
incidence of prostate disease and certain hernias and tumors that are caused by 
normal testosterone levels in older male dogs. Normal sperm production is often 
disrupted, with few new cells being formed. None of these problems are 
considered significant in these cases, as many of the patients are already in a 
life or death situation. 




Anabolic steroids also cause water retention and this can cause additional 
complications in kidney or heart failure patients. These products also increase 
the absorption of calcium by the intestinal tract and cause the kidneys to 
retain calcium during normal urine production. Both of these actions lead to 
excessively high calcium levels in the blood which can be disastrous to normal 
heart function. This can be quickly fatal in those with already failing hearts. 



















- Original Message -

From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 4:40:38 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate? 

An odd name for a drug... but... terrific if it really is Stanazalol and 
you can get hold of it... 
Your Kitty is lucky to have an owner so commited to his survival... I am 
hoping hard that all your kind effort pays off... he AND you deserve 
it. 
I don't know that it makes a difference which mode of administration is 
used... though

Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone There....

[Sandy]

Hi one and all, it has been some time since I last saw a post as well. I'm 
happy to see the group is still alive! Bob, I feel so bad - sorry just doesn't 
cover it - you have had a sad, sad year. In my book, you are someone special 
who makes the difference for a very sick kitty cat - not many people can do 
what you do. I haven't had an FeLV kitty cat for some time - don't want one if 
possible. right now, I'm busy fostering momma's with babies and trying to get 
the teenagers adopted into good loving homes. Guess the worst I've got right 
now are 4 that were thrown away - just happen to have a genetic disease called 
Eyelid Agenesis - virtually, no eyelid. Surgery has taken care of the 2 girls 
but the 2 boys will need a 3rd surgery. Luckily, there is an animal eye 
specialist who works with rescue groups so the cost is 1/2 - but that still has 
to be raised and with all the devastating weather - not to mention this being 
the worst year for kittens being born most people are not donating for this 
cause. 
Hang in there Bob - remember there is only one of you and you are special. 
Katherine, I'm glad your kitty is still hanging in there. 

Sandy W 

- Original Message -

From: "Katherine K." <kaths...@gmail.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 9:44:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone There 

Hi Robert, 
Yup, still here. My sweet boy just turned 15 at the beginning of this month. 
We're at a plateau. His nose tumor growing and distorting the shape of his face 
- making one eye small - plus there's a small open sore at the top part of the 
bulge that seeps blood and mucus all day and leaves little crusty snail trails 
wherever he sleeps. I'm cleaning his face several times a day with wet wipes 
and tissues, and he's on pain meds. He looks awful but he's still eating 
faithfully, so as long as there's thatI'm here for him. 
Hugs to everyone's kitties 
K 

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:36 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL < bcha...@optonline.net > wrote: 


No mail has appeared in my mailbox from this group for quite long while so I 
thought I would inquire as to whether _ I _ am just missing mail that HAS been 
going to others or if the group has simply not been active for a couple of 
months. Generally it has been my experience that once I write one of these 
notes I start to get mail once again... NO idea why 
I thought of all of you recently when it was time to put my Hospice Cat ( 
Gilbert) down Third cat I have lost in a year I'm 0 for 3 at this point 
and am thinking it might be time to take on a more healthy animal but I keep 
harkening back to amani's words... If not us... who?? Certainly not the people 
who don't much care about cats...nor the vast majority of people who HAVE 
cats. There are SO many deserving animals out there that have problems that 
place them low on the adoption list they ALL deserve to have a home and 
someone to see them as special Gilbert was not adoptable with his brain 
injury...though ALL of the volunteers thought him special...still... no one 
came forward when he developed cancer though they all truly DID care that he 
was going to die He had a good life for his last few months... sitting on 
the porch...looking out the window and more petting and love than even HE 
wanted. As is usually the case it was probably harder on me than him when 
it came time He stopped eating, it was painful for him to get his oral meds 
and even subq pain killers did little... He was constipated and just hid out 
all day... The Tumor was forcing his one eye to protrude and the other to 
recede... it would have been cruel to ask him to endure more. A beautiful 
sweet animal I miss him terribly... 
Curious to see if I find the list active with this submission. 


Bob... 



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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

[Sandy]

Happy Tails! Thank you for the up date 
Sandy 

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From: "Pam Doore" <thyme2s...@gmail.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 6:23:52 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky 

Great news!! 




~~ @ ~ @ ~ @ ~ @ ~ @  

Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ 
beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick 




On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Ardy Robertson < ar...@centurytel.net > 
wrote: 





Hi – just to update everyone, little “Lucky” that was tossed out of the car and 
hit the windshield of my granddaughter’s friend, Rachel, seems to have fully 
recovered, and even made friends with another of Rachel’s rescues, a black lab 
dog. My granddaughter Toni sent me a picture of the two of them looking into 
each other’s face with the dog on the couch and Lucky up on the back of the 
couch. They seemed very happy…….. I love a happy ending J 

Ardy 





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Re: [Felvtalk] Lucky

[Sandy]

Karma - somewhere - sometime - the unhuman will be "rewarded" 

- Original Message -

From: "ROBERT CHAPEL"  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 12:47:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lucky 

This little guy is indeed lucky!!.. It's troubling that there can be 
such an extreme variation in Human behavior 
when it comes to cruelty and violence without cause... On the plus 
side, for every reprobate there are kind souls like yourselves and those 
who are looking after Lucky ( or offering to help) who put my heart more 
at ease with the assurance that there are still good people in the world 
who DO care about the fate of those who can't help themselves... But... 
MAN..would I love to see the people who who tossed this cat out of the 
car get THEIR just Desserts.. 


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Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..

[Sandy]

It seems to me, each one of us has a different vet - and each vet seems to have 
a differing opinion - it's what they "learned" in school and unless they seek 
to know more and better info continue with the same practices and opinions- 
such as the "yearly" vaccine protocol. I guess it's like each one has to do for 
our own health care - be informed and take charge. And, it's not easy 

Sandy 
- Original Message -

From: "Marlene Snowman" <tessie1...@icloud.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:46:04 AM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats.. 

My vet believes so although has made it clear that no vaccine is 100 percent 
effective and that an older cat with an established immune system has more 
chances. Who really knows 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jul 24, 2017, at 10:03 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium 
> <sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote: 
> 
> So you believe the vaccine does work then? I thought about getting it for all 
> 13 indoors but I want to still keep the FIV and FELV separated. Thanks for 
> the info 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Marlene Snowman 
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:59 AM 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats.. 
> 
> I have a Felv 2 year old who I did introduce to my 7 year old non. The 7 year 
> old has been vaccinated and retested over the 2 years and remains negative. 
> The Felv has no visual signs of illness. I maintain separate litter boxes 
> that get cleaned daily and separate dishes that are also cleaned daily. They 
> are not affectionate with one another or groom each other, although they do 
> play together. It warms my heart to think that the 2 year old is getting 
> quality of life despite the illness. As my vet said, you have 2 cats and need 
> this to work for them and my husband and I. So far I've been lucky and I am 
> grateful that this is going well for them. Knowing what I now know, I'm not 
> sure I would make the same decision if one would have been sicker at the 
> onset. 
> 
> My experience and these 2 may just be lucky so far.wresting with the 
> decision to introduce or not is a tough one. 
> 
> M 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium 
>> <sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote: 
>> 
>> I heard the leukemia vaccine carries a high risk of cancer. Does anyone have 
>> their FELV cat around non-felv cats? I thought about letting Skylar out only 
>> while I am home and see how it goes with the regular cats. But I have a FIV 
>> cat in the mix of the other cats and not sure if they would pass germs and 
>> cause more harm. My Felv has no signs of illness since he was moved him 
>> indoor. I don't think he can be near the FIV cat. Thanks for any info 
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of ROBERT CHAPEL 
>> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 3:52 PM 
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats.. 
>> 
>> Hi Sheila... 
>> Wonder if you have anyone helping you with Cat Care ( or expenses) 
>> that is a lot of cats to look after 
>> and the expense could get rather overwhelming. are some of them 
>> fosters??? 
>> 
>> Bob 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 10:06 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org 
>> wrote: 
>> 
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>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:38:42 -0400 
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>>> S

Re: [Felvtalk] Surgery (was:Checking in.....)

[Sandy]

Robert, I pray all will go well with your surgery!! 
Sandy W 

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From: "kat" <merrykatme...@email.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:32:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Surgery (was:Checking in.) 

I will be keeping you in my thoughts & prayers!! Please let us know when you 
are back home. 
Kat (Mew Jersey) 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 at 8:04 PM 
From: dlg...@windstream.net 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Cc: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in. 
I HAVEN'T GOTTEN MUCH MAIL, BUT HAVE BEEN BUSY PREPARING FOR OPEN HEART SURGERY 
AND MAKING ARRANGEMENTS FOR CARE FOR THE CATS AND MY GARDEN. MEMBERS OF THE 
CHURCH ARE GOING TO HELP ME WHEN I COME HOME FROM SURGERY AND THE DOCTOR TOLD 
ME I CAN FEED, WATER AND CLEAN BOXES AND FIX MY OWN MEALS LIKE SALADS. 

 ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote: 
> Things have been very quiet on the group lately...OR... I am once again 
> not getting group mail 
> Has there been activity I've missed?? 
> My Hospice Boy ( Gilbert) is doing quite well for the moment but ( as we 
> all know with such things it could change any minute...so I'll just 
> enjoy it while it's happening) Wondering if any of you have 
> experience with Higher dose Prednisolone administered chronically ( say 
> above 7.5 mg QD)... When I agreed to Foster Gilbert it came with the 
> proviso that I would follow their directions ( Which I will hold to 
> unless I feel they are killing him unnecessarily quickly) His Tumor 
> does not appear to have gotten any larger and his pain appears to be 
> pretty well controlled Just wish I knew specifically what is helping 
> the most so I could cut down on superfluous drugscurrently he's on 
> Gabapentin( .4 cc BID if pain is up.. QD if doing OK).. for pain, 
> prednisolone ( 10 mg QD administered via syringe dissolved in milk, 
> Venus Fly Trap SubQ BID ( interesting substance... bears closer 
> scrutiny... supposed to have anti tumor activity) Two other " 
> alternative " medications which I have suspended only because the poor 
> boy screams bloody murder every time I have to give him something. 
> with a tumor invading his oral cavity I want to keep anything PO to a 
> minimum 
> Seems that the cats I've had that are _ supposed_ to ( clincally) die 
> don't and the ones that that aren't ..do 
> Hope everyones buddies are doing reasonably well ( as reasonably well as 
> FeLV Kitties can do)... Gilbert, as I mentioned, had a traumatic brain 
> injury which has left him with poor balance... but lately he's been 
> insistent on expanding his range and even tried running this AM... 
> Wasn't in anything resembling a straight line but the spirit in this guy 
> is enough to make you weep... Guess that's part of why I am such a fan 
> of animals they simply do what they have to and do it without 
> complaint ( Sure glad they can't speak...perhaps I'd like them less if 
> their inner thoughts were more like ( Why ME?? I'm a more thoughtful 
> caring cat than Mittens over there; why did _ I_ have to get hit by a 
> car and THEN get cancer!!... and there's that jerk Mittens running 
> around all carefree and happy...where's the Justice I ask you)... 
> Bob 
> Bob 
> 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny

[Sandy]

I'm so sorry Marilyn . Destiny sounds like a sweet and wonderful kitty cat. You 
certainly are s great guardian for your furry felines. 
Sandy W 

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From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:27:33 AM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny 

Oh Marilyn, 
Destiny sounds like she was such a beautiful kitty -- I'm happy she 
didn't have to suffer more. 

I am curious though - you said she tested negative for FeLV, and then had 
the vaccine and boosters, not exposed to FeLV outside. What more could a pet 
owner do! (I hate FeLV!!) 

Ardy 




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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Amani Oakley 
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 1:04 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny 

Marilyn 

I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was to 
have you caring so much for her. 

Amani 

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Marilyn Knapp Litt 
Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny 

Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny. I helped 
her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her diagnosis. The 
vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were negative. On 
this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and had the vet was 
able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would 
come roaring back. Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut. The best 
thing we could do was let her go while she was still purring. 

>From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any knowledge 
or treatment. She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine and 
boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors. Destiny 
enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory infection turned 
out to be a tumor. Nevertheless, it really helped us to have the support of 
this community and know there was somewhere we could go for advice. 

Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty 
tonight. Destiny was a peacemaker. I never saw her hiss once, but I saw 
her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they 
finally were won over. The world needs more people like my special cat . . 
. 

Marilyn Knapp Litt 

 Marilyn Knapp Litt <mari...@marilynlitt.com> wrote: 
> Has anyone used these for FeLV? 
> 
> 
> 
> My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to 
> find she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was 
> treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out 
> the terrible truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her 
comfortable. 
> She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it 
> is effective. 
> 
> 
> 
> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. 
> 
> 
> 
> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find 
> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion 
> about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We 
> thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better 
the last 24 hours. 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

[Sandy]

thanks for the clarification 

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From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" <mari...@marilynlitt.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:19:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 



This is what our vet told us last week. When we found out our Destiny had FeLV, 
we took our four other cats in. They were all fine except one, Blossom. She is 
16 and basically has one kidney, but seemed to be fine with the meds and diet. 
She is FIV! So not a good month for our cats. I am using lycine in all their 
water dishes. 



Marilyn 
Destiny FeLV and sinus infection 




From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Shelley Theye 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:52 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 




Hi Sandy, 





I think that it is the old FIV vaccine that you are thinking of. It is no 
longer on the market. 


Once cats were vaccinated with it they would test positive on a SNAP test. 





Cats vaccinated with the FeLV vaccine will not test positive afterwards, at 
least that I have ever heard. 








Shelley 


























On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Sandy < swacht1...@comcast.net > wrote: 





Thank you Amani - I knew you would be able to be concise and to the point - and 
with FeLV time can not be wasted. One thing though - would it be wise to 
retest?? 





Thank you, 





Sandy W 



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From: "Amani Oakley" < aoak...@oakleylegal.com > 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:00:17 AM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 





Marilyn 





Sandy is referring to the combination of drugs which I’ve named Zander’s 
Protocol in honour of my sweet Zander who had FeLV. The combination of 
Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Winstrol (Stanazolol) pulled him out of a very 
serious downward spiral when nothing else had worked (including blood 
transfusion, LTCI and interferon). With all due respect, I would be doubtful 
that any anti-oxidants or natural remedies can do anything significant against 
this nasty virus and you don’t have time to waste. 





Zander’s Protocol: Doxycycline: 25 to 50 mg every 12 hours 





Prednisolone: 2.5 mg every 12 hours 





Winstrol: 1-2 mg every 12 hours 





Before starting the protocol, I suggest a complete blood panel, including 
haematology and biochemistry panels. If money is tight, focus on the 
haematology panel, but ask also for a reticulocyte count. If there are 
concerning results in red cell numbers, haematocrit, reticulocyte counts, etc., 
and depending and HOW concerning the results are, use 2 mg Winstrol every 12 
hours to start. If the results aren’t too bad, 1 mg every 12 hours should be 
enough. 





Keep track of the haematology results. I ran bloodwork every week, but if you 
don’t want to do that, or can’t, consider every other week or at least once a 
month. I don’t recommend once a month at the outset You need to assess how well 
the protocol is working at the start. You also need to be able to assess the 
results by comparing them week to week, if possible, so that the meds can be 
modified if necessary. 





If the cat is also having trouble keeping food down and/or getting food to pass 
well through the intestinal tract, also add 1/5 tablet of metoclopramide before 
meals. That helps to speed up the emptying of the stomach and increase 
peristaltic action to move food through the intestinal tract. 





From: Felvtalk [ mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of 
Sandy 
Sent: June-18-17 8:45 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; thyme2s...@gmail.com 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 





Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk) about Zander's Protocol - consists of 
doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol. IMPORTANT to get your 
kitty on this ASAP. 


It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test 
positive for FeLV - a bummer. 





Sandy W 






From: "Pam Doore" < thyme2s...@gmail.com > 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 





Hi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus 
on top of the FeLu. 


There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to 
all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the 
name of that was. It was originally given to humans with HIV. 





What kind of infection is Destiny fighting? 








~~ @ ~ @ ~ @ ~ @ ~ @  



Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ 
beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick 








On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt < mari...@marily

Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

[Sandy]

Thank you Amani - I knew you would be able to be concise and to the point - and 
with FeLV time can not be wasted. One thing though - would it be wise to 
retest?? 

Thank you, 

Sandy W 

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From: "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:00:17 AM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 



Marilyn 



Sandy is referring to the combination of drugs which I’ve named Zander’s 
Protocol in honour of my sweet Zander who had FeLV. The combination of 
Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Winstrol (Stanazolol) pulled him out of a very 
serious downward spiral when nothing else had worked (including blood 
transfusion, LTCI and interferon). With all due respect, I would be doubtful 
that any anti-oxidants or natural remedies can do anything significant against 
this nasty virus and you don’t have time to waste. 



Zander’s Protocol: Doxycycline: 25 to 50 mg every 12 hours 



Prednisolone: 2.5 mg every 12 hours 



Winstrol: 1-2 mg every 12 hours 



Before starting the protocol, I suggest a complete blood panel, including 
haematology and biochemistry panels. If money is tight, focus on the 
haematology panel, but ask also for a reticulocyte count. If there are 
concerning results in red cell numbers, haematocrit, reticulocyte counts, etc., 
and depending and HOW concerning the results are, use 2 mg Winstrol every 12 
hours to start. If the results aren’t too bad, 1 mg every 12 hours should be 
enough. 



Keep track of the haematology results. I ran bloodwork every week, but if you 
don’t want to do that, or can’t, consider every other week or at least once a 
month. I don’t recommend once a month at the outset. You need to assess how 
well the protocol is working at the start. You also need to be able to assess 
the results by comparing them week to week, if possible, so that the meds can 
be modified if necessary. 



If the cat is also having trouble keeping food down and/or getting food to pass 
well through the intestinal tract, also add 1/5 tablet of metoclopramide before 
meals. That helps to speed up the emptying of the stomach and increase 
peristaltic action to move food through the intestinal tract. 




From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy 
Sent: June-18-17 8:45 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; thyme2s...@gmail.com 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 





Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk) about Zander's Protocol - consists of 
doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol. IMPORTANT to get your 
kitty on this ASAP. 


It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test 
positive for FeLV - a bummer. 





Sandy W 



- Original Message -



From: "Pam Doore" < thyme2s...@gmail.com > 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 





Hi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus 
on top of the FeLu. 


There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to 
all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the 
name of that was. It was originally given to humans with HIV. 





What kind of infection is Destiny fighting? 








~~ @ ~ @ ~ @ ~ @ ~ @  



Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ 
beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick 








On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt < mari...@marilynlitt.com > 
wrote: 



Has anyone used these for FeLV? 



My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to find she had 
FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was treating her and the 
infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible truth. I am 
feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable. She is on an 
antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it is effective. 



I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. 



I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info on 
using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion about boosting her 
immune system and fighting this infection? We thought we were going to lose her 
this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours. 



Thank you! 





~Marilyn Knapp Litt 





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Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

[Sandy]

Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk) about Zander's Protocol - consists of 
doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol. IMPORTANT to get your 
kitty on this ASAP. 
It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test 
positive for FeLV - a bummer. 

Sandy W 

- Original Message -

From: "Pam Doore" <thyme2s...@gmail.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 

Hi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus 
on top of the FeLu. 
There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to 
all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the 
name of that was. It was originally given to humans with HIV. 

What kind of infection is Destiny fighting? 




~~ @ ~ @ ~ @ ~ @ ~ @  

Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ 
beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick 




On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt < mari...@marilynlitt.com > 
wrote: 





Has anyone used these for FeLV? 



My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to find she had 
FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was treating her and the 
infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible truth. I am 
feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable. She is on an 
antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it is effective. 



I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. 



I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info on 
using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion about boosting her 
immune system and fighting this infection? We thought we were going to lose her 
this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours. 



Thank you! 





~Marilyn Knapp Litt 



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Re: [Felvtalk] Annie

[Sandy]

Oh my - stunned and I'm so sorry 

Sandy W 

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From: dlg...@windstream.net 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:06:50 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Annie 

I have known all along that I would loose her one day, but it still hurts. She 
did have 8 years with me so I have that to be thankful for. She joins a growing 
list of furbabies that have crossed over the bridge. Now she will be in pain no 
longer. 

 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> I don't have a lot to go on, but based on the results, and the physical 
> finding of a painful kidney, it might be a kidney infection gone septic. The 
> total white cell count is low, which may occur when the white cells migrate 
> out of blood circulation to move towards an area of infection in the tissues. 
> You have given a low neutrophil count, but I would also be interested in what 
> is the percentage of neutrophils. If it is a bacterial infection, I would 
> expect a higher than normal percentage of neutrophils. Also, I would be 
> looking for a left shift in the neutrophils. Did they report any immature 
> neutrophils like band cells? Any other neutrophil abnormalities such as toxic 
> granulation? 
> 
> The first thing I would focus on is ensuring sufficient hydration. Keep up 
> with the subcutaneous fluids at home. Also, oxygen would help since you want 
> to keep the cells well-perfused and with the dehydration and drop of red 
> cells (though they aren't too low), and oxygen needed at the clinic, you 
> should give her some more if you have a source of it at home. I am concerned 
> that she isn't already on doxycycline. I would perhaps ask the vet to 
> consider intravenous antibiotics, to get the antibiotics levels to go up 
> faster than orally, and then you can give her the oral antibiotics. If it is 
> a kidney infection, fluid replacement and antibiotic therapy is likely far 
> more important than food intake right now. 
> 
> It isn't clear that this is an infection, but it might be. Was she tested for 
> vital signs? Did she have temperature, and possibly elevated heart rate. It 
> seems that she certainly would have had a reduced blood pressure, which again 
> is consistent with sepsis from an infection, but isn't the only thing that 
> might cause that. 
> 
> I don't think this is a Winstrol situation just yet. I think instead that a 
> combination of broad spectrum antibiotics along with some 
> prednisone/prednisolone might be the better approach. 
> 
> However, given that there is no definitive diagnosis yet, you need to watch 
> her closely. If there isn't an improvement fairly quickly on the antibiotics, 
> your vet will probably be considering other explanations. 
> 
> Amani 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> dlg...@windstream.net 
> Sent: May-31-17 5:52 PM 
> To: felv 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Annie 
> 
> We just got back from the vet and Annie is not in good shape. She stopped 
> eating this am. I did get some broth from Mackeral down her, but no soloids. 
> The vet has ordered Doxy formulated so it will be liquid. She will get it 2 
> times daily. I have told her about Winstrol and she read up on it and is 
> willing to get it for us is needed. She had to try 3 times for blood. It came 
> out so slowely and started clotting too fast to to the tests. She is also 
> dehydrated so gave sub q fluids and gave me more to bring home. She also had 
> to give her some oxygen for 5 minutes, her brain was not getting enough. 
> After 5 min, she bounced back. Dr. Said she was stressed by the exam. 
> Bloodwork: RBC - LOW 4.78 
> HCT - LOW 23.7 
> HGB - LOW 8.4 
> RETC HIGH 62.7 
> WBC LOW 4.54 
> NEU LOW 2.41 
> 
> BUN HIGH 59 
> ALKP LOW 10 
> TBIL HIGH 1.5 
> EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN NORMAL RANGE. 
> sHE ALSO SAID ONE KIDNY SEEMS ENLARGED AND SLIGHTLY FIRM AND SHE CRIED WHEN 
> SHE APPLIED PRESSURE TO THAT AREA. 
> sHE HAS ALSO LOST WEIGHT, DOWN FROM 6.6 LAST VISIT. wE HAD STARTED HER ON 
> KITTNE FOOD TO BRING HER WEIGHT UP AND SHE HAD BEEN EATING UNTIL THIS AM. i 
> JUST RECEIVED A SHIPMENT OF BLUE BUFFALO CANNED FOOD AND I PLAN TO START HER 
> ON THAT MIXED WITH WARM WATER. AT LEAST SHE GETS SOME NOURISHMENT FROM THE 
> LIQUID. i ALSO HAVE A TANK OF OXYGEN LEFT FROM MY FATHER THAT i CAN GIVE HER 
> SOME IS SHE NEEDS IT. 
> 
> aNY SUGGESTIONS? SHE WILL GO ALONG WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS. sO NICE TO HAVE 
> A VET LIKE THAT. 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] My Martin.....so handsome....he was the 5th of my babies to suffer from this horrific disease. I even tried LTCI INJECTIONS. with my Joe....I've lost Clayton, and Apache and Charlie.

[Sandy]

I'm so sorry - thank you for taking care of your kitty cats until - well until 
Sandy W 

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Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 7:43:11 PM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] My Martin.so handsomehe was the 5th of my babies to 
suffer from this horrific disease. I even tried LTCI INJECTIONS. with my 
JoeI've lost Clayton, and Apache and Charlie.. I'm sad, broken hearted 
and angry. I've been in rescue for 20 yrs. But this is the first I've been 
broken hearted and watched FELV take them one by onethank you all for your 
love and kindness 



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Re: [Felvtalk] Checking In...

[Sandy]

I'm really happy to hear from the group. Bob, you are a wonderful guardian and 
I'm so happy you have a new kitty cat to watch over - no matter for how long! 
Right now, I don't have any FeLv kitties - FIV yes. I foster and volunteer for 
a couple local rescue groups 
and it's mega kitten season. Some of my foster friends are having heartbreak 
because of the loss of babies.- while others see the tragedy of overcrowded 
animal control facilities so there is killing. One friend asked about balance - 
how does one achieve balance - keep sanity - not become numb. How does one not 
feel hatred toward one's fellow man/woman when dumped babies are found - we do 
what we do because we care and we want to make a difference - even for a little 
while. It's pretty hard sometimes to let a foster go (adopted) one you raised 
from a tiny kitten - bottle feeding, cuddling and loving. Adopters are screened 
but unless they continue to keep up correspondence the I wonder is always 
hanging in your mind. 

Siorry to ramble - guess I needed to get somethings off my mind - again Bob - 
happy tails!! 
Sandy W 
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Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:57:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking In... 

People around here have a name for us - "Crazy cat lady". I gladly claim this 
title. 

 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> Bob, you are a true hero to these little angels. It will absolutely hurt like 
> hell when you lose your new boy, and you know that, but you are a kind soul 
> who will take the pain to help these babies. Thank you for quoting me. It is 
> something I have said for a long time to explain my insanity to others, 
> especially my mom who couldn’t understand in the middle of all my sobbing 
> about losing another one, why I continued to do this to myself. 
> 
> I took home a little girl last year, who also had a diagnosis of cancer. The 
> shelter where she had been staying, was closing down and she was obviously 
> not adoptable. Someone at the shelter had heard of my reputation for being a 
> sap for hard luck cases, so I was contacted out of the blue and asked if I 
> would take her and let her live out her days sleeping on a comforter instead 
> of in a shelter. I agreed. After watching her for a while, and obtaining her 
> previous medical records and reviewing them, I was skeptical that she had 
> cancer. She wasn’t deteriorating, but she had a whole lot of serious pain 
> from something. Happily, after much running around and thousands of dollars, 
> we had her in for surgery in March and a piece of tissue was removed (a 
> remnant it appears, from an infected uterus which was removed) and I was so 
> gratified to see the immediate change in her personality. She immediately 
> brightened up - even played a bit - and started hanging around us instead of 
> being in a poor mood and sleeping alone upstairs all the time. She still has 
> pain but it has markedly reduced. 
> 
> Every once in a while - something disastrous turns good. I am crossing my 
> fingers for your new charge. 
> 
> Amani 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> ROBERT CHAPEL 
> Sent: May-26-17 3:01 PM 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking In... 
> 
> So Glad to hear that no new " tragedies" have emerged of late and that Violet 
> loves her catnip!.. I love the image I conjur of her eating a leaf or two and 
> rolling in the Grass looking at you with her little head upside down It's 
> been only a few weeks since I lost my buddy Magellin and though it's not with 
> me on a daily basis I only have to encounter a surprise reminder to bring 
> tears to my eyes ( eg... needing to put some meds for myself into a container 
> and grabbing the nearest empty one which turned out to be Jelly's Mirtazapine 
> container... 
> virtually in a second the whole experience came rushing back... 
> attempting to get him to eat..watching him lose weight... syringe feeding 
> him... Friends ask me " why are you considering doing it again" and all I can 
> say is " It feels worse to NOT help than the pain of helping"... Amani 
> expressed a nice sentiment a few times when explaining to folks why she 
> continues to do what she does... 
> " If the people who care about cats don't help them it's certainly not going 
> to be the people who _ don't_ care about them" ( yes Amani I took a measure 
> of literary license in quoting you... Hope it's close : ) On Sunday I expect 
> to take home my new Foster... and older " Miracle" 
> survivor of some kind of traumatic encounter( we don't know what)... He was 
> traumatically 

Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in...

[Sandy]

Happy to hear Violet is doing well - happy tails! 
Hope everyone has a safe weekend! 
Sandy W 


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Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 10:08:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in... 



Best of luck with little Violet!! 



Ardy 



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sheri 
Burbridge 
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:27 PM 
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Checking in... 



Just wanted to check in and see how everyone is doing? We've been very busy 
here with the end of the school year, holidays, graduations, etc. 





My Violet is doing well, she seems happy and healthy although I'm struggling to 
find a healthy food that she likes. She loved the honest kitchen food when I 
first bought it but now isn't very excited to eat it. I'm going to check out 
other options at a local pet health food store this week to see if I can find 
something she likes. 





I got a tattoo for Mo about a week ago. I felt like it was the closure I was 
looking for and the artist even let me put his ashes into the ink. I know he is 
always with me now but I'm still very emotional about the whole ordeal. It's 
been two months but still feels so raw. 





I hope all of you and all your fur babies are doing well, I just wanted to pop 
on and say "hey". I'm so glad to be heading towards summer and back in my 
garden again. It keeps my mind busy and is so cathartic. We planted catnip for 
Violet, she absolutely loves it! It's so funny to watch her bliss out when she 
eats a leaf or two  





Best wishes, 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Mo

[Sandy]

going through "stuff" found this - 
Sandy w 
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From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 8:20:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mo 

I'm so sorry Sheri... Mo was certainly lucky to have such a fine home 
for his brief little life... You looked after him with love from the 
moment he came home with you until it was time to leave.. We can't give 
too much more than that.. 

Bob 




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Re: [Felvtalk] Goodbye to sweet Mo

[Sandy]

Sheri, I'm so sorry. 

Peace be with you. 
Sandy W 


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From: "Sheri Burbridge" <sheri7...@gmail.com> 
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 8:37:13 PM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Goodbye to sweet Mo 

We had to take Mo in and have him put to sleep tonight. I've never been more 
sure of a decision in my life. We spent every good moment he had left with him 
over this week but he was obviously suffering and confused and he was ready. 

My heart is broken, I'll miss him so very much. He had a heart of gold and more 
love in his little body than the oceans could hold. I'm so thankful he got to 
be with us even for a short time. 

Thank you for the support and information. I really hope Violet never goes 
through this but at least I'm more educated about it now. 

Nothing can take fill the void Mo has left in our hearts and home. He was truly 
one of a kind. 

Sheri 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Lend Me A Kitten

[Sandy]

Thank you - and with kitten season in full bloom there will certainly be more 
to "rescue". 
Sandy W 

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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:31:29 AM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lend Me A Kitten 



Due to what our group is going through right now with some of our ailing 
furbabies, it seems appropriate for this poem that helped me so much when we 
reached the end with our precious Tigger… the author is unknown. 



LEND ME A KITTEN…. 

I will lend you a kitten for awhile, God said. 
For you to love while he lives, and mourn when he's dead. 
Maybe for twelve or fourteen years, or maybe two or three. 
But will you, 'till I call him back, take care of him for me? 

He'll bring his charms to gladden you, and should his stay be brief 
You'll always have his memories as solace for your grief. 
I cannot promise he will stay, since all from earth return. 
But there are lessons taught below I want this kitten to learn. 

I've looked the whole world over, in search of teachers true. 
And from the folks that crowd life's land, I have chosen you. 
Now will you give him all your love, not think the labor vain? 
Nor hate me when I come to take my kitten home again? 

I fancied that I heard them say 'Dear Lord Thy Will Be Done'. 
For all the joys this kitten brings, the risk of grief we'll run. 
We'll shelter him with tenderness, we'll love him while we may. 
And for the happiness we've known, forever grateful stay. 

But should you call him back, much sooner than we planned, 
We'll brave the bitter grief that comes, and try to understand. 
If, by our love we've managed your wishes to achieve, 
Then in memory of him whom we loved, please help us while we grieve. 
When our cherished kitten departs this world of strife, 
Please send yet another needing soul for us to love all his life. 



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Re: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo

[Sandy]

Sheri my heart hurts for you. Mo and you are in my thoughts and I offer prayers 
of comfort. Thank you so much for all the care and love given to Mo. 
Sandy W 


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From: "Sheri Burbridge" <sheri7...@gmail.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 7:26:59 AM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo 

Mo's appetite hasn't improved and this morning I found him in my daughter's 
room laying in a puddle of his own urine. I gave him his buprenorphine but I am 
done forcing meds on this angel beyond comfort care. 

We were going to see the vet today for bloodwork, but I don't really see the 
point now. Perhaps if we had tried these meds when he first started slipping it 
would have helped him. At least I am armed with this knowledge for Violet. 

My heart is breaking. This is all so unfair. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bad News..

[Sandy]

Oh Bob - my heart aches for you - difficult to find the right words of comfort. 
I'm just going to say I know you won't let you kitty suffer - you are the 
guardian. 
Magellin and you are in my thoughts and prayers. 
Sandy W 

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From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 6:22:10 PM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bad News.. 

Hello All: 
I'm going to make this somewhat brief as I've had my last two messages NOT 
post..nor had I received any group messages until about 5 minutes ago.. 
My remaining cat ( Magellin.. nee Jelly ) who is my little love... much like 
Amani's Zander. Stopped eating 
a week and one half ago... Hospitalized for two days and vet said very bad URI 
and possible lungworm 
This was the vet the shelter uses and they often don't look to hard first time 
out to save the shelter $$... Long Story short ( just as matters went with my 
other little guy) I had to spend the money anyway to get an accurate DX... He 
has a tumor ( likely lymphoma) just forward of his heart... a WBC of 186000 and 
rapidly dropping HCT ( 5 weeks earlier I had an extensive wellness exam on him 
and he was FINE... top of the chart HCT... just a couple of other glitches... 
He really HATES being force fed and I don't know I am doing him any favors 
prolonging his life this way as it is not likely that he is going to begin to 
eat again on his own if it is the tumor and the Virus that are causing the 
loss of appetite...OR making it difficult for him TO eat ( though he does seem 
to do OK with the Pica that alerted me to the fact that he might be anemic... 
he was eating cat litter and licking the cement powder off the laundry room 
floor) 
I force fed him for a week in hopes that he might begin to eat again on his 
own He's on Mirtazapine, Prednisolone, Winstrol and Doxy right now but It's 
literally killing me to have my little boy just unable to play or eat or enjoy 
being petted... All the best of what we had is in abeyance I don't want him 
to starve to death but if I keep him alive by force feeding him I could just be 
setting him up for death by another means ( he is clearly having difficulty 
breathing...using accessory muscles... only occassionally lying on his side 
comfortably). He does not appear to be in abject pain so I am reluctant to 
put him down but it is SO trying for me particularly in he wake of losing my 
other little guy only a couple of months ago after nearly a year of trying to 
get him well.. And, once again, there is the damn matter of financial 
limitations. If there were a "cure" and it cost me a few thousand I would spend 
the money.. but with a FeLV cat it is highly questionable if thousands spent 
could even guarantee a few more months Currently I am force feeding him a 
few oz's a day of AD with a calorie supplement paste mixed in... Just enough to 
keep him from starving and giving him some fluid... just in case buying him a 
few extra days witnesses any kind of change for the positive with the meds he's 
getting. I'm trying NOT to give in to putting him down now to save ME the 
heartache of watching another cat die over a matter of months... Living alone 
and having no one to talk to about this that shares my feelings for this guy 
and won't get VERY tired of hearing about it makes it that much more 
difficult. I'm getting VERY depressed and closure could at least leave me 
having only grief to deal with...which is, frankly, a LOT easier than the 
daily " is he doing better"? " maybe a miracle will occur"... or putting 
him on my chest only to have him be so uncomfortable there that he immediately 
leaves That's the hardest part He's here physically but I no longer 
have MY Jelly... Thanks for listening... any suggestions welcome... 

Bob 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Good news!

[Sandy]

Great news - but I'd be shopping around for a vet who will be on board with you 
before Figaro is actively ill - just my opinion 

Sandy W 

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From: "Jennifer Olson" <j13w0l...@gmail.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 1:05:22 PM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Good news! 

Figaro's bloodwork shows he is "healthy" ! ! ! No sign of ear mites so 
treatment now is to clean & use ointment for otitis externa. Did NOT do skin 
scraping for d. gatoi, fur & skin are MUCH improved. And Vet's going to let us 
have the "Barn cat" discount on his neuter! 
Bad news, Vet "looked into" the meds of Z's protocol & efficacy for FeLV, and 
isn't on board... 
So, until Figaro is actively ill from FeLV, we'll continue to vet @ this 
clinic. 
IFA results are pending. 
Thanks for your prayers & support all ! ! ! 
Jen 

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Re: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?

[Sandy]

I understand the mite reproduces/hatches in 7-10 cycles + had a cat (not FeLV) 
with persistent "ear mites" ended up to be a yeast infection - finally did a 
culture - just an fyi 

Sandy W 

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 12:02:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!? 

lBut that is the one that caused hair loss at the site so I stopped it. 

 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> That’s so weird. I have used Revolution, and it gets rid of the ear mites 
> with a single application. 
> 
> Amani 
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Jennifer Olson 
> Sent: March-04-17 9:18 PM 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!? 
> 
> The demodex gatoi ! Figaro would very likely NOT have gotten the parasite if 
> the FeLV wasn't present. 
> Still working on that & ear mites- oral ivermectin every other day and a 
> topical product meant to be used once/ mo Vet said to apply every 2 wks for 
> approx 6 wks. Ear mites are quite stubborn, but the skin mites are succuming- 
> maybe even OFF him now. 
> Jen 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 22

[Sandy]

hoping for the best - most especially for a vet who is willing to work with you 
and your kitty cat 
Sandy W 

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:07:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 22 

Molly... 

I will leave it to Amani to counsel re: protocol... but the short 
answer re: Doxy and pred is No... not the usual course of Treatment... 

Of primary importance ( and this cannot be overstated) is to have your 
vet onboard with you and to have he financial means to implement the 
treatment without having to cut corners. I'll never know if I could 
have saved MY little guy had I had a cooperative vet and sufficient 
funds to secure everything I needed in a timely fashion. I'm 
hesitant even to get another FeLV cat to be company for my still very 
active other FeLV buddy because I will have to Foster this time and the 
shelter is not on board either with Amani's protocol ( which means I 
would have to stand helplessly by and watch another cat fade unless I 
spent money I don't have going against their wishes.. Difficult 
decisions. You'll never know if the regimen can help if you wait too 
long to implement it. I've been on this list long enough now to see 
a few cats helped quite a bit by the Win/Doxy/Pred combination and think 
it would make more sense to try 
THAT first rather than wasting time with the other treatments that 
appear to have a less impressive effect... 

Again my opinion... and not an expert one 

You write as someone who has some medical experience or at least a grasp 
of medical protocols.. so I imagine you can make an informed 
decision. Hopeful that Win/Doxy/Pred can stop things FROM 
happening in instances that the worst has not yet begun 

Hoping for the best... 

Bob 


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> questions for Amani concerning Zander's Protocol: doxycycline -?Should 
> a calculated dose be used?based on weight of animal for this or is 
> the?dose that you give apply to all cats. Mia is a?small girl -?weighs 
> 7 lbs. Also, how long should she be taking the meds. Is it the normal 
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> tapering doses.winstrol - looks like this is taken until the 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLv Positive cat

[Sandy]

this is from previous posts - get your kitty cat to a vet - hopefully - who 
will not be afraid to "go outside" the box. 



Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day 



Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day 



Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day 





If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving 
stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the 
effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of 
apometocloprimide. 



If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might 
consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and 
kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase 
in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also 
increase the liver enzymes faster. 



Hope this helps! Amani 



From: Felvtalk [ mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of gary 
Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV 

Amani, 

Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they must 
have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them. 

Thanks, Gary 

On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: 

Hi Sherri 



I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is 
that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back into 
the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to interfere 
with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, though I 
believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. But at the 
outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the Doxycycline on 
board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it from rising. 



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Hi Liz 



The only thing that works to turn back on red cell production is Winstrol 
(Stanazolol). It is an ANABOLIC steroid (as opposed to most steroids we are 
used to getting, like prednisone, which is a corticosteroid. 



Anabolic steroids are ones which build muscle, tissue, etc. 



Adding Winstrol to the combination of medication you have your cat on right 
now, would be the best thing to do. The Doxycycline acts to slow down or 
inhibit the reproduction of the FeLV virus by interfering the RNA duplication. 
The prednisone is helpful in keeping inflammation at bay, but neither of these 
helps to increase the red cells. The Winstrol acts directly and very quickly on 
the bone marrow and seems to get red cells generated again, quite promptly. At 
least it did for my Zander, and I have been contacted directly by several 
people from this group, who have reported to me that they also saw almost 
immediate (within 3 days) evidence of their cats’ gums/ears/pads pinkening up. 



The problem is that Winstrol is a controversial drug because it is also what 
professional athletes use to get bigger, stronger and faster. Quite 
unfortunately (since none of our cats are entering the Olympics) that 
association with doping scandals has cast a shadow on its use in both animal 
and people medicine. In human medicine, it is the only drug found to be 
effective in treating hereditary angioedema and anemia. 



Here is a blurb I found about it: 



Winstrol was first invented in 1959. Soon after that, the UK based Winthrop 
Laboratories created a prescription medicine from it. Later, in 1961, 
Winthrop’s patent was bought by the US based Sterling that started 
manufacturing and selling the drug in the American markets. 

In the beginning, Winstrol was used for a variety of medical reasons. But 
later, by the 1970s, the FDA had restricted its use to only promoting growth 
and treating osteoporosis. In the 1980s, there was a termination of the 
manufacture of anabolic steroids in the American market. But Winstrol was among 
those steroids which not only survived, but thrived in the 1980s and 1990s. 
During this period, its use was reinforced as a cure for anemia – as it had the 
power to boost red blood cell count, and was used as a treatment for facial 
swelling or angioedema. 

When the manufacture of Winstrol was finally discontinued, Ovation 
Pharmaceuticals bought the rights to manufacture it, in 2003. However, Ovation 
Pharmaceuticals have ceased their operations now, so the Winstrol products 
available today in the American markets are only generic and not pharmaceutical 
grade. Outside the USA, however, several large brands still manufacture and 
sell Winstrol. 

Genuine Stanozolol can be distinguished in water suspensions because it 
separates from the liquid into micrometer particles. These particles will fall 
to the bottom if the container is not disturbed for a few hours. The crystals 
have a milky 

Re: [Felvtalk] embarassed..re: FeLV

[Sandy]

the more information the better 

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 2:10:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] embarassed..re: FeLV 

I see those of us with FeLV cats as being their biggest advocates. Whenever 
possible, we should help to educate others and dispel the myths surrounding 
them to help give them a chance at life. 

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 12:44 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL < bcha...@optonline.net > 
wrote: 


Roxanne 
Perhaps I missed something along the way... another email perhaps?? I'm not 
sure if I understand your question... Why would you have concerns about letting 
people know you have FeLV catsand moreover why would you feel somehow badly 
that you are NOT embarassed. I've never noted any discrimination on the 
part of other cat owners against people with FeLV cats The question took me 
so offguard that I feel I MUST have missed something along the way ( eg... you 
run a pet care business or something similiar ?? Apart from anything like that 
I don't see the downside ( even potentially) of letting people know that you 
are kind enough to look after animals that have special needs... 


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3. Katherine, Rebecca and Jennifer ( dlg...@windstream.net ) 
4. Re: Katherine, Rebecca and Jennifer (Katherine K.) 
5. Re: Katherine, Rebecca and Jennifer (Rebecca Pruett) 
6. Feline leuk. (Roxanne Smith) 


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From: Amani Oakley To: " felvtalk@felineleukemia.org " Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 
Nasal polyp 
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I?ve experienced nose issues in two cats, but in both, the problems were 
serious (one cancerous and one some sort of abscess which eventually impinged 
on the brain, causing a coma). Sounds like yours isn?t serious, which is a good 
thing. But, yeah, I?ve had to deal with blood all over the place as well. 

Amani 

From: Felvtalk [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of 
Katherine K. 
Sent: February-09-17 4:19 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Nasal polyp 

Anyone here ever dealt with a nasal polyp? 

My 15 yo FeLV cat started having a chronic bloody nose (in one nostril only) 
about 6 weeks ago. We did a shot of Convenia, then tried 2 weeks of 
azithromycin antibiotics. Didn't help. 

I took him in for a follow up yesterday and upon closer inspection we 
discovered a polyp visible just on the inside of his nostril. It was too small 
to remove with tweezers, so the vet prescribed another round of azithromycin to 
kep infection at bay, and suggested we wait a month or 3 for it to grow bigger 
so we can remove it. 

I'm just glad it's not cancerous, but the poor guy has sneezing fits daily, 
wakes up with dried blood crusted around his nostril each morning, and I'm 
wiping bloody specks off my floors and walls (from the sneezes. Looks like a 
mini crime scene in my house :-P) 

Curious if anyone else has had to help cats with nose polyps. 

Thanks, 
Katherine 
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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 22:35:11 -0600 
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Nasal polyp 
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I just had a slight cold issue and it seemed Annie always got in my face when 
she sneezed. I took her to the vet first day since she is positive (age 8 going 
on 9) and felv issues usually start with upper respiratory. She got a shot and 
I brought home some antibiotics to give her. She seems to be getting better. I 
have been sofortunate with her that this is her only illnes. 

 Amani Oakley wrote: 


I?ve experienced nose issues in two cats, but in both, the problems were 
serious (one cancerous and one some sort of abscess which eventually impinged 
on the brain, causing a coma). Sounds like yours isn?t serious, which is a good 
thing. But, yeah, I?ve had to deal with blood all over the place as well. 

Amani 

From: Felvtalk [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of 
Katherine K. 
Sent: 

Re: [Felvtalk] Yogi's Passing

[Sandy]

Oh Robert I am so sad for you. You have such a big heart and I know you will 
use it again. 
I so hate the restrictions of $$'s - I know someone had a suggestion about 
house/petsitting - when you feel up to it maybe work on that - I know several 
who do this daily - 
Please know you are in my thoughts and prayers. 
Sandy W 

- Original Message -

From: "Marlene Snowman" <tessie1...@icloud.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 7:51:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Yogi's Passing 

So sorry for your loss Bob. I've followed your messages with hope and 
admiration for your efforts. Not everyone has such a big heart to love 
unconditionally, and you have been an inspiration. Take care. 

Marlene 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jan 30, 2017, at 8:31 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote: 
> 
> Over the months some of you might recall my little guy Yogi for whom I had 
> asked advice ( mostly about his eyes) on several occassions and most recently 
> for suggestions related to making money to be able to keep treating him.. 
> Well my little Yogi passed away in my arms on Sunday morningHe had 
> started to go downhill a few weeks ago when his HCT dropped over a few weeks 
> to 14 I did manage to get my hands on some Winstrol thanks to the efforts 
> of others on this forum to whom I am eternally grateful but he faded too fast 
> for it to have adequate effect ( or he simply was not one of the cats that 
> was going to respond to it) 
> He got to pass peacefully at home on the bed that he knew so well and with 
> the hand of the guy that loved him and worked to keep him alive all these 
> months stroking him.. I had actually made arrangements to put him down later 
> that day after seeing the condition he was in that morning. I'm SO glad I 
> didn't have to keep that appointment. 
> It's been a tough go... The little guy never really knew more than a few 
> months of health. 
> There was , honestly, nothing really remarkable about him ...just a ratty 
> little skinny thing with one clouded over eye but he was a sweet gentle 
> little soul that never so much as attempted to scratch me despite all the 
> things I had to put him through to keep him alive There was almost 
> nothing left of him at the end ( started with him at 6 months old and 7.5 lbs 
> and progressively over a year lost 3 lbs ( about 40% of his body weight . I 
> probably would have put him down on at least 3 occassions if it wasn't for 
> all the good advice and suggestions I got from all of you that helped me 
> press on . 
> So now I go from hurting every day watching him go downhill to the one big 
> hurt of losing him it will pass in a bit of time( though certainly not 
> today!) and it gives me the opportunity to give a home to another FeLV Cat 
> that would have spent it's life in a cage.. and to give a playmate to my 
> still healthy guy who is still very much a Kitten in his actions and DYING to 
> have someone to play with...this time I will FOSTER so that I don't go broke 
> with cat care if the next little guy/girl starts to go south well ahead of 
> time... 
> Thanks to all of you for being there for FeLV cats... You all are the one bit 
> of luck the kitties who have come under your care have had 
> 
> Bob 
> Warwick NY 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 10

[Sandy]

Terri I hope the best for your kitty cat 
Sandy W 

- Original Message -

From: "Terri Knight" <tkmoo...@gmail.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 5:39:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 10 

Thanks everyone for the awesome response and advice. We will be back at the vet 
on Friday for the next round of blood tests and I will discuss all options and 
your advice with the vet. 

I really am extremely grateful. 

Terri 

On 11 Jan 2017 23:46, "ROBERT CHAPEL" < bcha...@optonline.net > wrote: 


Nancy 

In keeping with Amani's response...would be VERY interested to know if the cats 
( with which you have had success) were ( are) FeLV+ per IFA or FeLV at 
all. 
Owners of FeLV Kitties can get desperate to find ANYTHING that might help their 
cats and can spend their way into oblivion with useless elixers that will leave 
them cash poor for the ( sometimes) more expensive drugs that stand a better 
chance of success Personally I can't imagine how Omega 3's are going to 
have any appreciable effect on depressed RBC's. Aracept... as pointed out 
could be effective if the anemia is regenerativepossibly harmful if not ( 
cats can respond with antibodies to Epo and the like with antibodies that 
further depress their blood count 
If you have positive experience with the above would love to hear about it 
even better if you have any reference papers to point us to regarding the 
successful use of Omega 3's in FeLV Kitties we would ALL, I am sure, be very 
interested as they are widely available and certainly reasonably priced ( 
generally) 
thanks... 


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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 12:31:17 -0500 
From: gidge...@aol.com 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Omega 3s 
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I'm sure this won't be allowed, but I must try anyways as I cannot express how 
important it is to put your cats on an omega 3 supplement. Moxxor is 100% pure. 
Green-lip mussel oil, grapeseed oil and kiwifruitseed oil. No preservatives, 
pesticides, GMOs, Mercury, PCBs, or excipients of any kind. My two FeLV cats 
are on Moxxor and knock on wood have been doing well. They also take the Rx 
Vitamins for Pets ~ Liquid Immuno. All natural. For Moxxor, please please come 
join my FB page at https://www.facebook.com/moxxorforabetterlife/ to learn more 
about this. I swear by it for both me and for my two girls. 

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From: Amani Oakley To: " felvtalk@felineleukemia.org " Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 
Omega 3s 
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Hi Nancy 

Were your cats in anemic crisis when you put them on the supplements, or were 
they positive for FeLV but not in crisis? I am interested to know if your 
supplements turned around severe non-regenerative anemia. I am sure I am not 
telling you anything new when I indicate that the problem is that if a cat is 
severely anemic and not producing his/her own red cells (low or insufficient 
reticulocytes) then there is very little time to address the crisis. Moreover, 
as I have posted before epogen, and other erythropoietin-type mimics, act on 
the red cell precursors in the bone marrow, signalling to them to produce more 
red cells. If the precursor cells are damaged or killed by the virus, which 
they often are, and that is why all three cell lines (red cells, white cells 
and platelets) are often affected, then no amount of erythropoietin, ?yelling? 
at a dead precursor cell, will get it to re-start red cell production. The only 
thing I have found that has a chance to do that is the Winstrol, co 
upled with the Doxycycline. The Winstrol promotes the development of bone 
marrow and has been found to be effective for conditions such as osteoporosis. 
It promotes the growth and increased density of bone. 

Were you able to restart bone marrow red cell production with the supplements 
you are

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

[Sandy]

Thanks for the update on Bogey - slow but steady progress 
Sandy W 

- Original Message -

From: dlg...@windstream.net 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:53:21 AM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat 

On the baby food, try pumpkin, has fiber and my guys have always liked it when 
they were off their feed. I drink raw milk, but even that will give them 
diahrea if I give them more than 1 teaspoon. Maybe mix with pumpkin. 


 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> You can take your milk and dilute it with warm water and stir it around. 
> 
> Amani 
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Sherri Godschalk 
> Sent: December-15-16 8:13 AM 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat 
> 
> Hi Amani. This morning’s urine was also pretty clear. I will pick up some 
> baby food today. She isn’t refusing to eat. She just is really too weak. If I 
> hold her and let her lick it off my hand she does great. Almost a half of a 
> 5.5 oz can already today. She has not vomited. I thought about milk but she 
> has yet to have a bowel movement and I didn’t want to constipate her more. I 
> think I will offer her some at next feeding. I drink whole milk so I think I 
> will pick up some Whiskas today too. 
> 
> I was surprised that the vet told me to start the Winstrol again so soon. I 
> thought that was not a good plan. 
> 
> Thanks for the input Amani. 
> 
> From: Felvtalk 
> <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
>  on behalf of Amani Oakley 
> <aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> 
> Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> 
> Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 7:42 AM 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" 
> <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat 
> 
> Sherri 
> 
> There isn’t any hurry to get her back on the Winstrol. I would wait. Her 
> haematology numbers give you quite a significant cushion to rely upon. 
> Winstrol likely strains the liver, so you want the liver to rest for a while. 
> 
> It sounds like she is better, though. I recommend baby food, which you can 
> syringe feed into her. Keep up the feeding. It is good that the first urine 
> was orange but the next wasn’t. She is hopefully clearing out the bilirubin. 
> I think fluids are important to help with that, too. Have you tried some very 
> diluted milk or some Whiskas milk? That might encourage her to drink some 
> more. 
> 
> Amani 
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Sherri Godschalk 
> Sent: December-15-16 7:42 AM 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat 
> 
> Just a little update for any of you following Bogey’s progress here or others 
> who find these posts helpful. 
> 
> First day home from hospital. She of course wasn’t interested in eating. But 
> I would sit with her and she would lick Hill’s L/d and a/d from my finger. 
> She ate over a full can total. Every hour or so I gave her about a 
> tablespoon. Alternating between the two. I also am giving her water and a few 
> drops of Pedialite each time. The first time she urinated it was very orange 
> about 2 pm. She didn’t urinate again until last night around 10 and was 
> clear. She actually went to her water dish last night and took a couple of 
> laps. She is still weak and wobbly. But she know where things are. Still 
> seems out of it though. I doubt that she slept at all while in the hospital 
> so I am just letting her rest. She is curled up on a bean bag chair right now 
> with a heating pad on her. 
> 
> She isn’t suffering or getting worse. 
> 
> I have yet to start her back on the Winstrol but may do that today if the 
> jaundice continues to show improvement. Might make her feel stronger. 
> 
> Thanks for reading. 
> 
> Sherri 
> 
> From: Felvtalk 
> <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
>  on behalf of Amani Oakley 
> <aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> 
> Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> 
> Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 9:21 PM 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" 
> <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felin

Re: [Felvtalk] My FIV/Felv cat

[Sandy]

First, thank you for being such a great guardian for your kitty cats! Second, 
if getting another kitty cat wouldn't cause too much stress - get another FeLV 
- - yes, I know the future is uncertain - as it is for everyone - but you would 
be saving another life - it's a never ending cycle that sometimes feels like it 
is suffocating. 
Best of luck, 
Sandy W 

- Original Message -

From: dlg...@windstream.net 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Cc: "Sue Freeman" <kyty...@aol.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 12:59:45 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My FIV/Felv cat 

it all comes down to what you fel comfortable with. My Annie was diagnosed felv 
when I got her at the age of 4. she is happy and enjoys her life. She shares my 
lap, food bowls, water fountains. I believe hat due to stress, she tested 
positive and at the most is is a carrier. at first, we kept the others 
vaccinated for felv but after a few years, no one tested positive and we 
stopped even that. if your baby has been with you for a few years, has 
exhibited no signs of the disease, I would let her into the house with the 
others. that is my opinion, but it will be up to you. 

 Sue Freeman <kyty...@aol.com> wrote: 
> I am new to this group, but not to FIV/Felv. I rescued a sweet guy, that 
> personally I think was dumped in my neighborhood. He started coming around my 
> home and tried to make it his home, but then he stopped coming around. I 
> could only imagine what could have happened to him. About a year later he 
> showed up! I was now volunteering with a local rescue group and they helped 
> me to trap him and get him fixed. We actually had someone that wanted to 
> adopt him, but unfortunately when he tested positive they backed out. I felt 
> so bad for him, as he was the sweetest fellow. I was planning on sending him 
> to a sanctuary, but my husband wanted to try some natural remedies that he 
> had heard had amazing effects. They ended up not doing what we had hoped, but 
> in the mean time, I had become very attached and felt it wouldn’t benefit 
> neither him nor myself to send him away. so, we built him and outdoor 
> enclosure that he can go in and out of through the window in his own room in 
> the back of my home. I have other cats, so he had to be isolated. =( He does 
> get company throughout the day between myself and my older son, who does his 
> school work on the computer, located in Butch’s room. Between the two of us, 
> it sometimes gets to be long nights, so that he doesn’t have to be alone for 
> too long. 
> 
> I have had Butch now, for almost two years. We think he’s about 4-5 years 
> old. We have been through the removal of most of his teeth and the removal of 
> a small tumor on his foot. He has a great appetite, went from 9-14lbs, 
> everything still works. If not for his status, he is a very healthy guy. My 
> Vet still doesn’t understand why he is still with us. I honestly didn’t think 
> he would be here this long either, which brings me to my problem. As much as 
> I try to keep him company, he is pretty lonely. I try to play as much as I 
> can with him. Red lazor lights, stuffed toys on strings etc… He has a cat 
> tree and other places to perch on and in. He has his 8x8 outdoor enclosure 
> with a motion light for when he goes outside, but its getting colder out and 
> he doesn’t stay out there too long anymore, especially at night, which is 
> when I get the most guilty for leaving him alone, but I have to sleep 
> sometime. Plus, like I said, I have other kitties that look for my attention 
> too. =/ 
> 
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions of how I can make his life here not so 
> boring? I can’t get another cat with the same status, even though that would 
> be golden, but I’d just end up in the same situation when one of them passes 
> away. He would love another kitty, which is why he came around in the first 
> place, but its not realistic. So any help would be great. Also, I was reading 
> a couple of threads about a steriod. Does this make it possible for FIV/Felv 
> cats to interact with healthy cats? Or does it help in reversing their 
> status? Any info on that too would be appreciated. 
> 
> Please know, I realize there probably isn’t a magic pill to make this all go 
> away, but I also don’t know how long Butch is going to be with me and it just 
> seems so unfair that he has to be alone for so long. I love him a lot. He is 
> my buddy and he looks forward to me being with him. We cuddle a lot at night, 
> and I try to make sure he’s sleeping before I go to bed myself. FreeAgain, 
> any suggestions are greatly appreciated. 
> 
> Thank you for listening. 
> 
> Sue Freeman 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Vet asks, where to source stanozolol

[Sandy]

Happy Day - I'd say good news 
Sandy W 

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From: "Amy Glunt" <amyynoe...@gmail.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 1:05:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet asks, where to source stanozolol 

Hello everyone, 

Thanks so much. I'm all set up with Diamondback to get the stanozolol. The 
confirmation IFA test came back saying negative on FeLv as well, so all the vet 
and I can think is that the FeLV has gone into dormancy in her blood marrow 
since she positive in April. Hopefully the meds will get her anemia under 
control. Everything is looking positive...wishing well for everyone else and 
their kitties, hoping we all can have good outcomes. 

Amy 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Nov 10, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
> 
> Hi Amy, 
> I googled "compounding pharmacy" and found Diamondback Drugs in Arizona. I 
> directed my vet to their website - www.diamondbackdrugs.com - and from there 
> they were able to fill out a prescription online. There is also a toll free 
> number on the site that you can call and talk to a HUMAN not a machine. They 
> are very helpful, my prescription was around $42 with shipping. They take 
> credit cards, and ship right away. They understand you need it right away 
> and have different shipping options. I got one refill, and then my vet would 
> have to do another RX online etc. There are many forms, and flavors. I took 
> the salmon-flavored liquid, but you can see what else is available. I highly 
> recommend them. Best wishes to you! 
> Ardy 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy 
> Glunt 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 2:44 PM 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet asks, where to source stanozolol 
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> Found a new vet and re-tested my felv+ cat, she is up from an RBC count of 
> 10 earlier this year when she was diagnosed, to a 16. She also didn't test 
> positive on the ELISA test this time so a secondary IFA test is being run, 
> results tomorrow. Not 100% sure what this all means. But the vet was open 
> and interested when I asked about options involving stanozolol, and she did 
> some research on it and wasn't finding that it's available in the US. I 
> thought surely that's wrong, since some of you have been able to get it...so 
> I would like to ask, especially Amani, Ardy, and Sherri...where are your 
> vets getting the steroids from? She also mentioned it as an injectable form, 
> does anyone have experience with that? From everything I've read here, you 
> all use the pill form. 
> 
> Thanks! 
> 
> Amy 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vet asks, where to source stanozolol

[Sandy]

actually it's Diamondback Pharmacy 
- Original Message -

From: "Sandy" <swacht1...@comcast.net> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 6:22:54 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet asks, where to source stanozolol 

I've seen on this site the name Diamond Drugs - a compounding pharmacy - 
probably look up on the net - they are located in AZ or NV I believe - hooray 
for you vet!! 

Sandy W 

- Original Message -

From: "Amy Glunt" <amyynoe...@gmail.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 3:43:42 PM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet asks, where to source stanozolol 

Hi all, 

Found a new vet and re-tested my felv+ cat, she is up from an RBC count of 10 
earlier this year when she was diagnosed, to a 16. She also didn't test 
positive on the ELISA test this time so a secondary IFA test is being run, 
results tomorrow. Not 100% sure what this all means. But the vet was open and 
interested when I asked about options involving stanozolol, and she did some 
research on it and wasn't finding that it's available in the US. I thought 
surely that's wrong, since some of you have been able to get it...so I would 
like to ask, especially Amani, Ardy, and Sherri...where are your vets getting 
the steroids from? She also mentioned it as an injectable form, does anyone 
have experience with that? From everything I've read here, you all use the pill 
form. 

Thanks! 

Amy 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vet asks, where to source stanozolol

[Sandy]

I've seen on this site the name Diamond Drugs - a compounding pharmacy - 
probably look up on the net - they are located in AZ or NV I believe - hooray 
for you vet!! 

Sandy W 

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From: "Amy Glunt" <amyynoe...@gmail.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 3:43:42 PM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet asks, where to source stanozolol 

Hi all, 

Found a new vet and re-tested my felv+ cat, she is up from an RBC count of 10 
earlier this year when she was diagnosed, to a 16. She also didn't test 
positive on the ELISA test this time so a secondary IFA test is being run, 
results tomorrow. Not 100% sure what this all means. But the vet was open and 
interested when I asked about options involving stanozolol, and she did some 
research on it and wasn't finding that it's available in the US. I thought 
surely that's wrong, since some of you have been able to get it...so I would 
like to ask, especially Amani, Ardy, and Sherri...where are your vets getting 
the steroids from? She also mentioned it as an injectable form, does anyone 
have experience with that? From everything I've read here, you all use the pill 
form. 

Thanks! 

Amy 

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Re: [Felvtalk] RIP little girl Coco

[Sandy]

I'm so sorry - you are in my thoughts and prayers 
Sandy W 

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From: "Kelley S" <moonv...@gmail.com> 
To: "felvtalk" <Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 2:49:09 PM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] RIP little girl Coco 

Lost my little Coco last night. It was sudden - she was playing and running 
around before I went to sleep and when I woke up she was gone. Probably better 
for her that way as she didn't have to suffer through a long protracted 
illness. Sure does hurt though. 

Kelley 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results

[Sandy]

Don't give up hope 
Sandy W 

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From: "Sherri Godschalk" <skgodschal...@gmail.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 12:58:38 PM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results 

Just a bit of information regarding Bogey¹s last lab results. She had been 
sleeping a lot and not as active so this really didn¹t surprise me. 
Everything has taken a down turn. 



Range 26-Oct 30-Sep 
RBC 6.54 12.2 2.54 2.9 
HCT 30.3 52.3 14.8 17.9 
HGB 9.8 16.2 5.2 6.2 
MCV 35.9 53.1 58.3 61.7 
MCH 11.8 17.3 20.5 21.4 
MCHC 28.1 35.8 35.1 34.6 
RDW 15 27 24.5 25.2 
RETIC 3 50 89.9 82.1 
WBC 2.87 17.02 13.05 12.01 
NEU 1.48 1.029 3.97 3.96 
LYM 0.92 6.88 7.8 6.81 
MONO 0.05 0.67 1.16 1.17 
EOS 0.17 1.57 0.11 0.06 
BASO 0.01 0.26 0.01 0.01 
PLT 151 800 28 53 


The only bit of good news is the doc did start her on Doxycycline twice a 
day. So she is going to be on that and Prednisolone and Stanzolol. I also 
give her Petinic twice a day and am going to add Lysine. I hope that the 
Doxy isn¹t arriving too late to help. 

Bogey is not suffering. She is eating, drinking and gaining weight, 
although just a little, playing once in awhile. She is hiding now which 
she never did before. My heart hurts today. 

Thanks for listening. 

Sherri 




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Re: [Felvtalk] need help for Ash, Coles brother

[Sandy]

you and Ash are in my thoughts and prayers 


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From: dlg...@windstream.net 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, "Karen Harshbarger" 
 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 9:24:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] need help for Ash, Coles brother 

I know it is hard to do, but try to stay calm . Your worry will transfer to 
Ash. 


 Karen Harshbarger  wrote: 
> I am getting so stressed out I even typed the wrong name. The blood work that 
> I tried to send on Ash (not cole as I stated in last email, came through in a 
> jumbled mess. I will try to redo later tonight. 
> Thank you, Karen and Ash 
> 
> On Friday, October 21, 2016 6:44 PM, Karen Harshbarger 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> well it looks like the blood test results that I sent on Cole came through as 
> a jumbled mess and I dont kknow how to fix it. It took me hours to type this 
> all in! 
> I have an appointment now and will try again tonight. Cause tonight Ash ate 
> but not normal. I was feeling good because he seemed to be back to normal 
> until supper tonight. I am so afraid I am going to loose him too and it is 
> making me sick Just had his brother cole die in my arms two months ago and I 
> dont think I cant deal with loosing Ash now too. 
> Thanks, Karen and Ash 
> 
> 


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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10

[Sandy]

well you get a big hug from this senior crazy cat lady - guess your husband too 

Sandy W 
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From: "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 5:34:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10 



Thanks Sandy. I was always a passionate sort, and yes, I love and understand 
science deeply. I was extremely fortunate in that the high school I attended 
actually had 4 years of courses in Microbiology – an entirely unique programme 
for that level of education. I had a wonderful Microbiology teacher with whom I 
still remain in contact, and I met so many of my still-current friends in the 
“Micro lab”. We used to hang around there after school, to work on microbiology 
projects. I met my husband there. 



Many of my “Micro” friends went on to take Sciences and Microbiology in 
University, as did my husband and I, since we were so inspired by the subject 
in high school. After spending a decade working in hospital labs, my big mouth 
caused me to decide to go into law, since I was already the spokesperson for my 
coworkers and sat on a number of hospital committees. Now, I like to believe 
that my combination of medicine and law makes me (and my husband) a serious 
threat in medical malpractice actions. I can’t tell you the number of times a 
doctor has given me a nonsensical answer in a discovery (equal to an American 
deposition) and I have been able to fire back because I understand EXACTLY what 
he has just said and that it is a ridiculous answer. Normally, medical 
gobblydegook sounds sophisticated and most of the time, doctors can get away 
saying stuff by dressing it up with medical terminology. Doesn’t work with me. 



Amani 




From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy 
Sent: October-06-16 5:07 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10 





OH MY GOSH! Amani - I look at the science background you present - I believe I 
can feel your passion for the scientific workings - which if I'm not mistaken 
is what your original profession arena is based upon. I look at the "lawyer" 
part of you as having the ability to use proper wording and presentation to get 
points across with the least amount of excess wording that muddies the water. 





Thank you for your willingness to share 





Sandy W 



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From: "Amani Oakley" < aoak...@oakleylegal.com > 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 4:48:05 PM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10 





I would be happy to give an inside look at the life of a lawyer, since few 
people have any idea what we do or how we do it. 





I feel the need to explain that, first, it is not true that every medication is 
the basis of a lawsuit. Second, no lawyer would ever bring such litigation 
forward without some very very solid evidence of problems with the medicine 
because - and I don’t think you are seeing this - IT IS THE LAWYER WHO HAS TO 
PAY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF HIS/HER OWN MONEY to fund the litigation. Would 
YOU bet $100,000 or $200,000 or $500,000 of your own money (NOT counting 
thousands and thousands of hours of unpaid work), if you weren’t convinced 
there was sufficient and strong enough evidence to win a case? These cases run 
for a minimum of 5-7 years, so would you pour in hours and hours of unpaid 
time, PLUS hundreds of thousands of dollars of your own money, on something 
with no basis in fact??? 





I seriously doubt it. I also don’t know of any other profession where you are 
expected to put such significant sums of your own money and your own unpaid 
time on the line, for the sake of a client's case, and to run the case for 
years and years - unpaid - for the chance to perhaps win in court. The court 
battle is always tilted in favour of the big guys (corporate entities, doctors' 
professional protection associations, insurance companies). They have unlimited 
resources, teams of lawyers, etc., etc. My firm is just me and my husband. 





In medical malpractice actions in Canada, I can tell you that the statistics 
are that for every 10 medical malpractice actions that actually make it into 
the court room (many are dismissed on technicalities), NINE are decided in 
favour of the doctors. Moreover, in Canada, the doctors don’t pay ANYTHING for 
their defence - it is covered by government rebates to the physicians for 85% 
of their insurance premiums. And the news is even worse than that. For the one 
in ten cases that are actually won by an injured patient, the doctor will 
invariably appeal and most of the cases where a patient wins, are reversed on 
appeal anyway, so the patient who is successful in trial almost always loses at 
appeal. 





ALL OF THAT MONEY, to fund the litigation, hire the necessary experts,

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10

[Sandy]

OH MY GOSH! Amani - I look at the science background you present - I believe I 
can feel your passion for the scientific workings - which if I'm not mistaken 
is what your original profession arena is based upon. I look at the "lawyer" 
part of you as having the ability to use proper wording and presentation to get 
points across with the least amount of excess wording that muddies the water. 

Thank you for your willingness to share 

Sandy W 

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From: "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 4:48:05 PM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10 

I would be happy to give an inside look at the life of a lawyer, since few 
people have any idea what we do or how we do it. 

I feel the need to explain that, first, it is not true that every medication is 
the basis of a lawsuit. Second, no lawyer would ever bring such litigation 
forward without some very very solid evidence of problems with the medicine 
because - and I don’t think you are seeing this - IT IS THE LAWYER WHO HAS TO 
PAY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF HIS/HER OWN MONEY to fund the litigation. Would 
YOU bet $100,000 or $200,000 or $500,000 of your own money (NOT counting 
thousands and thousands of hours of unpaid work), if you weren’t convinced 
there was sufficient and strong enough evidence to win a case? These cases run 
for a minimum of 5-7 years, so would you pour in hours and hours of unpaid 
time, PLUS hundreds of thousands of dollars of your own money, on something 
with no basis in fact??? 

I seriously doubt it. I also don’t know of any other profession where you are 
expected to put such significant sums of your own money and your own unpaid 
time on the line, for the sake of a client's case, and to run the case for 
years and years - unpaid - for the chance to perhaps win in court. The court 
battle is always tilted in favour of the big guys (corporate entities, doctors' 
professional protection associations, insurance companies). They have unlimited 
resources, teams of lawyers, etc., etc. My firm is just me and my husband. 

In medical malpractice actions in Canada, I can tell you that the statistics 
are that for every 10 medical malpractice actions that actually make it into 
the court room (many are dismissed on technicalities), NINE are decided in 
favour of the doctors. Moreover, in Canada, the doctors don’t pay ANYTHING for 
their defence - it is covered by government rebates to the physicians for 85% 
of their insurance premiums. And the news is even worse than that. For the one 
in ten cases that are actually won by an injured patient, the doctor will 
invariably appeal and most of the cases where a patient wins, are reversed on 
appeal anyway, so the patient who is successful in trial almost always loses at 
appeal. 

ALL OF THAT MONEY, to fund the litigation, hire the necessary experts, bring 
the required motions to court, etc., is underwritten by the medical malpractice 
lawyer. 

Your enemy is NOT the trial lawyer. You have been fed a bill of goods by 
insurance companies. Look into it in any detail and you will see what I mean. 

Now, may I please ask everyone to please leave my current profession out of 
this. I am happy to share my information and experience with everyone, and 
believe I have been quite generous in doing so. What started all this was a 
suggestion that the reason my vets give me Winstrol is because they are scared 
of me as a lawyer. I do not believe that to be true, and you should ask 
yourself if you are paying attention to my suggestions because I am a lawyer. 
Since I am pretty sure that is not the reason, then I would ask that you 
recognize that my vets also have been good enough to listen to me because I am 
quite up-to-speed on science and medicine, and can interpret blood work like 
nobody's business. Additionally, I think Margo's observation is bang on: if 
vets were afraid I would sue them, they would never ever try something 
"off-label" or experimental with me. As Margo suggested, anyone afraid of 
litigation will do everything "by the book". Moreover, as I have pointed out, I 
have developed my relationship with my vets for literally decades, and well 
before I became a lawyer. I frankly think they are far more impressed with my 
ability to speak with them at the same level when it comes to medical issues, 
then they are scared of me turning around and suing them. I do not have a 
relationship of fear with my vets. 

Amani 



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From: dlg...@windstream.net [mailto:dlg...@windstream.net] 
Sent: October-06-16 10:01 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Cc: Amani Oakley 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10 

Just klook at the ads on tv. every medication that comes on the market is now 
being sued. Someone asked me why? Lawyers who do these things smell a handsome 
profit and snese that

Re: [Felvtalk] feline leuk and shaken cat syndrome ??

[Sandy]

Roxanne I'm so sorry Neveah has died - it never gets any easier. 
Sandy W 

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From: "Margo" <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> 
To: "Roxanne Smith" <rescuek9li...@sbcglobal.net>, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 6:36:43 AM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] feline leuk and shaken cat syndrome ?? 


Dear Roxanne, 

I'm sorry that Neveah has gone on to The Bridge. 

I have never heard of "Shaken Cat Syndrome", nor can I find anything on the web 
that makes sense. I certainly 
don't think your friend had anything to do Neveah's death. The uneven pupils 
are called anisocoria, and are common in FeLV cats; 

https://www.vetinfo.com/anisocoria-in-cats.html 

I would guess that she just came end of her time. And yes, the stress of your 
being gone may have started her on a downhill trend, and this time she wasn't 
able to recover. Treating her kidney insufficiency might have given her a bit 
more time, but hind-sight is useless in situations like this. 

I hope you will find a way just let her go. 

Wishing you peace and healing, 

Margo 

Lend Me a Kitten 

I will lend to you for awhile a kitten, God said. 
For you to love while he lives, and mourn when he's dead. 
Maybe for twelve or fourteen years, or maybe two or three. 
But will you, 'till I call him back, take care of him for me? 

He'll bring his charms to gladden you and, should his stay be brief 
You'll always have his memories as solace for your grief. 
I cannot promise he will stay, since all from earth return. 
But there are lessons taught below I want this kitten to learn. 

I've looked the whole world over in search of teachers true. 
And from the folk that crowds life's land I have chosen you. 
Now will you give him all your love, nor think the labor vain? 
Nor hate me when I come to take my kitten home again? 

I fancied that I heard them say 'Dear Lord Thy Will Be Done' 
For all the joys this kitten brings the risk of grief we'll run. 
We'll shelter him with tenderness, we'll love him while we may. 
And for the happiness we've known, forever grateful stay. 

But should you call him back much sooner than we planned, 
We'll brave the bitter grief that comes, and try to understand. 
If, by our love we've managed your wishes to achieve, 
Then in memory of him whom we loved, please help us while we grieve. 
When our cherished kitten departs this world of strife, 
Please send yet another needing soul for us to love all his life. 

Author Unknown 


-Original Message- 
From: Roxanne Smith . 
Sent: Sep 27, 2016 2:25 AM 
To: Felvtalk 
Subject: [Felvtalk] feline leuk and shaken cat syndrome ?? 

It has been awhile since I have looked at my emails and or participated in this 
group-but I am desperate for some help and answers, of which I am not even sure 
I explain all in an email. 
Here goes, another one of my feline leuk cats died yesterday (Monday) AM. 
She dropped to 6.4 pounds, lost a pound in one month-has not really been eating 
for days, keeping to herself, hiding, but would sit by me. The last two or 
three days she would no longer sleep with me. 

I went to Florida a couple of weeks ago, had a babysitter come in daily to 
check on her-and she appeared to be doing well but starting going downhill, 
Neveah--cat lost about one pound in a month time period. 

So this is where I really need help-and please pass on to see additional 
answers. I have noticed only a few people ever answer or respond to emails but 
I can say much as I never do. :.( 
So I took Neveah to the ER Monday AM, as her temp dropped to 98.5, she could 
not move, and her rt eye was dilated and would not go back to normal and left 
eye appeared to be fine. Sunday my friend was in the room with her for hours 
and noticed the cat Neveah was acting/walking not correctly. Is anyone every 
heard of shaken cat syndrome-is it possible my friend dropped Neveah, or shook 
her in the room and caused her to have a blood clot-yes I am grasping here. 

As with everyone I feel bad, should I have been more aggressive in giving her 
sub q fluids, obviously too late now, she is gone. 

I have requested her latest blood panel for my records, but I know her kidney 
panels were not good. 

Is anyone in this group but any chance from the Milwaukee area/ Or there any 
vets in this group, whom would be willing to speak with me. 

Please be as honest as possible-or if you need more information before you 
answer please let me know that as well 




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Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone....

[Sandy]

I agree with Amani on the eye removal. I have a rescue semi-feral kitty cat 
with only one eye - had to remove her from her outside colony when that was 
done - she is now the sweetest girl - still semi-feral. I have used CareCredit 
for help with my vet bills - I too am on a very fixed income. I know this will 
work out - don't give up hope 
Sandy W 


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From: "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 11:47:06 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone 

Robert 

I recommend that you have the vet surgically remove the eye. You would be 
surprised at how quickly a cat will adjust to this, and the pain will stop 
immediately. I had this experience with one of my cats, who also had severe 
uveitis when I got her, and there was just nothing that worked, and the eye was 
really bad. 

In the meantime, there are two techniques you might want to try to help with 
pain and controlling infection: 

1. Try putting contact lens saline in the eyes. This is soothing and has a tiny 
bit of disinfectant which is obviously safe for the eyes; 
2. Try putting a used tea bag (warm) on the eye. Only use it once before 
discarding it. 

Also, ask the vet for buprenorphine in a transdermal cream. This will help 
tremendously with the pain. Get the vet to obtain it from a compounding 
pharmacy. 

Amani 

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL 
Sent: September-25-16 3:06 PM 
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Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone 


I'm really at my wits end as to how much more to put my little guy ( 
Yogi) through I adopted him 7 months ago and he has had something causing 
him pain at least 5 of them.. I put him on high doses of ocular 
Prednisolone to try to spare his vision after a severe Uveitis( bilateral but 
worse in the right eye) and the Vet said it would likely have to be given 
chronicallyVERY unfortunately he developed a huge corneal abrasion ( Green 
dye uptake involved almost his etire eye)... Now I've got the poor little guy 
on atropine and two antibiotics three times a day in hopes of keeping the eye 
from rupturing. This on top of his continuing to lose weight despite 
healthy appetite and still with some blood in the stool. The BIG problem in 
the moment is that I really can't put him back on topical corticosteroids if it 
is going to do this to him. but.when I tried to back off them before 
his Uveitis returned. There is a good chance it will return again. Has 
anyone ever heard of anything that might be used for a cats eye inflammation 
that is not a corticosteroid?? I'll be frank this little guy is using up 
every single dime and then some of my retirement " disposable" income and I 
simply won't be able to afford him pretty soon if I don't figure something 
out. beyond that... it is just too sad seeing him constantly suffering with 
one malady after another Winstrol is not going to happen unless I go from 
Vet to Vet and hope I can find one that will work with me but I honestly 
don't hold out a lot of hope for this guy He started getting sick very 
young and it's not gotten any better. My other guy is holding his own and I 
haven't had him to the vet more than once for an upper respiratory 
infection. I'm not just going to wait for the little guy to pass. I'm 
thinking that if the Uveitis returns and there is nothing that will control it 
besides corticosteroids I'm going to let him go. He's just always 
hurting Hasn't been able to be a kitten for more than a few weeks since I 
brought him home  Add to this that my quality of life is pretty crappy at 
this point as I can take very little time away from home I'd spend 
thousands that I don't have if I had any assurance that it would make a 
difference but not just to keep him " functional" until he fades away while his 
life becomes enduring constant medication... being nearly blind sleeping 
and eating and avoiding the advances of his house mate who still wants to 
play His " better" eye does not appear to be very functional which leaves 
him at risk if the other guy decides to jump him. I sometimes separate them 
when I am out of the house but it appears that he prefers being out in the 
entire house even with the risk of the other guy Figure for the time he has 
I'll let him do as he prefers as long as it's not too dangerous.. 
But back to the original question. any thought or experiences with anti 
Inflammatory medications that can used ocularly that are not 
Corticosteroids... 

thanks for any thoughts.. 
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining

[Sandy]

listen to Amani!! 
Sandy W 
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From: "Margo" <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 6:58:34 AM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining 





I never had expected the Interferon to cause red cell or hematocrit changes. 
Where can I find information about that? 



Thanks, 



Margo 





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From: Amani Oakley 
Sent: Sep 25, 2016 12:25 AM 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining 



Elizabeth 



My experience was that the interferon did absolutely nothing for my Zander. I 
checked his blood work weekly to track what was happening, and even though I 
left him on it for several months (with blood transfusions, to ensure there was 
a chance for it to work), there was no effect at all on the red blood cells or 
haematocrit. 



Do not wait if you don’t see improvement. My strong suggestion is to put him 
back on the doxycycline and try again for some Winstrol. 



Amani 



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Liz 
McCarty 
Sent: September-25-16 12:20 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining 




Hey... Hodor was pretty steady and eating well, good energy... Until Wednesday. 
Since then be seems to not have enough energy to move very far. Not eating 
well, or drinking well. One of his eyes started tearing occasionally. He still 
gets excited about treats and a water bottle we freeze for him that he likes to 
lick. He has been on interferon for 2 weeks... This past week was his 7 days 
off. He started back last night. Has anyone had interferon experience and seen 
their cats drop on the week off? Any suggestions? I don't want to lose him. We 
are also giving him prednisone, Pet Tinic and Dmg. 

I don't think the URI cleared before they stopped his doxycycline... Even 
though I expressed concern they said stop for now... I want to start him 
againany thoughts? I don't think his immune system needs this extra stress! 
He was doing so well when he had the doxycycline. 

Thank you. 

Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438 




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Re: [Felvtalk] Help with Yeast Infection

[Sandy]

Might check ou this web site - currently, I have kittens with ear mites - 
planning to use this treatment - good luck - sure isn't harmful either!! 
Sandy W 


http://www.petnet.io/pet_health_blogs/holistic-healing-for-cats-apple-cider-vinegar#.V9GIPSgrKUk
 

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From: "Katherine K." <kaths...@gmail.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:23:28 AM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help with Yeast Infection 

Welcome to the group, Corrine. I am very sorry about your kitty's diagnosis but 
we are here to support you and her. I don't have any experience with ear yeast 
infections in cats but others on the list may. If you are also on Facebook 
there is an "Owners of FeLV+/FIV+ Cats" private group that is pretty active 
too. 

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Corinne Shank < cms9...@hotmail.com > wrote: 


My cat who is 7.5 years old has had on and off yeast ear infections for the 
past 2 years. After the last infection that did not respond to treatment, I 
asked the vet to see if she had any immune deficiency issues as I had read that 
yeast was opportunistic where cats have a suppressed immune system. 
Unfortunately the test for Felv (Elisa) came back positive. I am just 
devastated as she is my little princess. When I got her as a kitten, she had 
tested positive but tested negative a month later. I was told that if a kitten 
tested negative after positive, that she had shed the virus and would be free 
of Felv. I guess that is not the case. I would have never brought her home if I 
had any idea that she was positive as I have another cat who was and still is 
Felv negative. 

So the problem I have now is what to do with her ears. The vet said to use 
Gentizol every couple of days to keep the infection down. Are there any other 
recommendations? 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question

[Sandy]

Use Deamateous Earth _ FOOD GRADE - think the spelling may be off - I believe 
it's available from Home Depot or order online 
Sandy W 

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From: "Margo" <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> 
To: "Karen Harshbarger" <harshbargerka...@yahoo.com>, 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:33:53 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question 


I'm having flea issues, as well. Mako went to a specialist (for non-FeLV 
related problems) and they recommended Comfortis. I had to order from Valley 
Vet, and gave it to him 8/26. So far so good. It seems to have done the job, 
but I also use flea traps, and treated the other cats as well. For most of the 
year, I was okay using (generic) Capstar and flea traps. 



-Original Message- 
From: Karen Harshbarger 
Sent: Aug 30, 2016 3:23 PM 
To: Felvtalk 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question 

As most of you know, we lost our Cole to feline leukemia and liver 
complications this month. I don't have time to morn my dear sweet Cole as I am 
struggling to save his brother Ash. Ash tested positive again this month (4 
years ago tested positive once and then negative twice). However his blood work 
shows everything in the normal range and he is eating and playing and going to 
the bathroom and seems healthy, so the vet has recommended no treatment or 
preventatives at this time. They only suggest another blood work check in one 
to 4 months and flea treatment. 

Ash and his brother have fleas. I know I must treat but that seems like when 
Cole started going downhillwhen I treated for fleas with Frontline twice. 
Frontline did nothing for the fleas, even though I threw away all beds and 
blankets and cleaned their living quarters. I fear that the fleas or treatment 
or both did something to Cole to take his life. But I know I have to treat 
fleas too. I have tried combing everyday, but that does not work either. 

Has anyone used Vectra flea treatment for cats. It has worked well for me for 
other cats, but I fear that it might be too strong for our Ash with the feline 
leukemia. As I said I used Frontline originally cause I was told it was safer 
because it could be used on young kittens even. Ash is 4 1/2 years old and I 
know I have to do something about the fleas. Please let me know if you have 
used Vectra flea treatment. Or if you use something else successfully or don't 
use flea treatment at all with feline leukemia. Ash never goes outside, so I 
don't know where they got the fleas unless at vet or we brought the fleas in 
from outside on shoes, etc. 

Please Helpthis is urgent as I feel I must do something to get rid of fleas 
that already seem out of hand since 2 treatments of Frontline did not work, and 
I am so worried about anything with Ash with his positive on the feline 
leukemia test at the vet and after loosing Cole. My heart just cant loose 
another of my fur babies. Please Help!!! 

Thank you, Karen and kitties Ash and BJ and angle Cole 




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Re: [Felvtalk] Can't eat

[Sandy]

thank you - can never get enough of a good information - especially information 
with a good proven track record 
Sandy W 
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From: "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 10:27:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can't eat 



Karen 



I am not going to repeat what many others have already read from me, over and 
over again in this group. 



If you haven’t seen my previous posts, and you want further information, I 
shall do my best to dig up my previous posts and re-post. However, the short 
answer from me is a recommendation to use Winstrol (Stanazolol). It is an 
anabolic steroid, which your vet (a) may never have heard of or (b) will give 
you a hard time about giving it to you. Your vet needs to get it from a 
compounding pharmacy. I suggest a dose of 2 mg a day for your cat because there 
are some very concerning numbers in the lab results you posted, especially the 
very very low platelet results, and low RBC and Haematocrit numbers. Winstrol 
will directly help increase the red cell count and haematocrit. It will also 
significantly increase appetite. It will usually start having a positive effect 
very rapidly. 



Don’t wait. Your vet will probably give you the run-around on getting the 
Winstrol, and will likely suggest that Winstrol will worsen the liver enzymes 
(which are already increased). However, any increase in liver enzymes is likely 
to be temporary and they will drop back down when the Winstrol is discontinued. 



Sorry to everyone else for being a broken record. 



Amani 



From: Felvtalk [ mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of 
Karen Harshbarger 
Sent: August-17-16 5:30 AM 
To: felvtalk 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Can't eat 




I come to you for suggestions for our Cole. We got Cole as a litter rescue from 
our yard 
We feed the strays and a little very young mother left them at our door 
We already had some house cats so built a kennel to shelter them Outside and 
began To look for homes for them. Then two litter kittens showed up and old 
tom. A no kill shelter took the littler kittens. They found out one if them 
tested positive for feline leukemia. We tested rest of ours and all but the one 
female tested positive. So we cleaned out our garage, insulated, heated, air 
conditioned and sheltered them there. No matter what we did little Tig was so 
sick That he died before he was a yr old. He was such a sweet little cat that 
considered everything and anyone a toy--so sad. The rest tested negative the 
next two test. We all lived happily for next 3 1/2 years. Until this week Cole 
stopped eating. 

Took him to vet and here is bad part. 
Tested positive for feline leukemia again 
Bun10 (16-3( 
Alt 294(12-130) 
Alkp 144(14-111) 
Tbil 4.2(0.0-0.9) 
Rbc 4.02 (8.54-12.20) 
Hct 21.1(30.3-52.3) 
Hgb 6.8(9.8-16.2) 
Wbc 2.06(2.87-17.02 
Neu 0.50(1.48-10.29) 
Lym 0.74(0.92-6.88) 
Plt 39(151-600) 
Rest was in normal range 
The vet gave Cole subcutaneous fluids, polyflex/dexasone injection, b complex 
injection, and clavamox drops on last wednesday. 

But he cant eat and i am syringe feeding AD prscription Food. First few days 
was able to get him to take 2 syringes but then threw up and have not been able 
to get him past One syringe since then without him throwing up. He threw up 
food three times and phlem or hair. He is very alert, drinking, urinating 2-4 
times a day, no BM until one little turd today 
He bathes Self after he eats, shinny healthy looking hair. Took Cole back today 
and vet did same as before but We changed to Orbax instead of clavamox. I was 
very excited tonight cause he attempted to eat But only licked gravy of purina 
Fancy feast., but was start. Later this evening after syringe feed only 3 ml he 
threw up what looked like two meals!! He seems to have a good day, but then has 
setback with throwup--- three times he has done that . He has lost a pound in 6 
days!!. So worried cause he cant eat on own and keeps throwing up. 

His brother Ash tested positive again too but his bloodwork is all in normal 
range and seems ti be doing fine. His other brother BJ tested negative and 
bloodwork all normal range. Vet suggested no treatment for them. I housed them 
together and seperated Cole. 

I am so worried that we are going to loose Cole because he cant eat and keeps 
throwing up syringed food. Also worried about Ash's positive test for feline 
leukemia again. 
Sorry for lenght but thought you wpuld need all info. 
Please advise as soon as possible. Thank you from Cole, his family and I 




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Re: [Felvtalk] Can't eat

[Sandy]

First - has the vet checked his mouth for sores?? Then see if your vet will 
prescribe Stanzolol 2mg once a day along with the Prednisone once a day. Try 
human baby food - chicken - mixed with the AD by syringe - Revival Animal 
Supply (on-line) has a food that is for baby kitties but you might want to try 
it as a supplement for Cole - called Breeders Edge - best I've ever used - 

Sandy W 


- Original Message -

From: dlg...@windstream.net 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Cc: "Karen Harshbarger" <harshbargerka...@yahoo.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 11:15:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can't eat 

I have not hd experience with this, but will keep you and Cole in my prayers. 

 Karen Harshbarger <harshbargerka...@yahoo.com> wrote: 
> I come to you for suggestions for our Cole. We got Cole as a litter rescue 
> from our yard 
> We feed the strays and a little very young mother left them at our door 
> We already had some house cats so built a kennel to shelter them Outside and 
> began To look for homes for them. Then two litter kittens showed up and old 
> tom. A no kill shelter took the littler kittens. They found out one if them 
> tested positive for feline leukemia. We tested rest of ours and all but the 
> one female tested positive. So we cleaned out our garage, insulated, heated, 
> air conditioned and sheltered them there. No matter what we did little Tig 
> was so sick That he died before he was a yr old. He was such a sweet little 
> cat that considered everything and anyone a toy--so sad. The rest tested 
> negative the next two test. We all lived happily for next 3 1/2 years. Until 
> this week Cole stopped eating. 
> 
> Took him to vet and here is bad part. 
> Tested positive for feline leukemia again 
> Bun10 (16-3( 
> Alt 294(12-130) 
> Alkp 144(14-111) 
> Tbil 4.2(0.0-0.9) 
> Rbc 4.02 (8.54-12.20) 
> Hct 21.1(30.3-52.3) 
> Hgb 6.8(9.8-16.2) 
> Wbc 2.06(2.87-17.02 
> Neu 0.50(1.48-10.29) 
> Lym 0.74(0.92-6.88) 
> Plt 39(151-600) 
> Rest was in normal range 
> The vet gave Cole subcutaneous fluids, polyflex/dexasone injection, b complex 
> injection, and clavamox drops on last wednesday. 
> 
> But he cant eat and i am syringe feeding AD prscription Food. First few days 
> was able to get him to take 2 syringes but then threw up and have not been 
> able to get him past One syringe since then without him throwing up. He threw 
> up food three times and phlem or hair. He is very alert, drinking, urinating 
> 2-4 times a day, no BM until one little turd today 
> He bathes Self after he eats, shinny healthy looking hair. Took Cole back 
> today and vet did same as before but We changed to Orbax instead of clavamox. 
> I was very excited tonight cause he attempted to eat But only licked gravy of 
> purina Fancy feast., but was start. Later this evening after syringe feed 
> only 3 ml he threw up what looked like two meals!! He seems to have a good 
> day, but then has setback with throwup--- three times he has done that . He 
> has lost a pound in 6 days!!. So worried cause he cant eat on own and keeps 
> throwing up. 
> 
> His brother Ash tested positive again too but his bloodwork is all in normal 
> range and seems ti be doing fine. His other brother BJ tested negative and 
> bloodwork all normal range. Vet suggested no treatment for them. I housed 
> them together and seperated Cole. 
> 
> I am so worried that we are going to loose Cole because he cant eat and keeps 
> throwing up syringed food. Also worried about Ashs positive test for 
> feline leukemia again. 
> Sorry for lenght but thought you wpuld need all info. 
> Please advise as soon as possible. Thank you from Cole, his family and I 


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Re: [Felvtalk] My Leuk + kitten and disgraceful vet

[Sandy]

Hello Sherri - thank goodness you changed vets - you know have one smart vet! 
This is an awesome site - the participants are empathetic and honest. 

Sandy W 

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From: "Sherri Godschalk" <skgodschal...@gmail.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 12:48:06 PM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] My Leuk + kitten and disgraceful vet 

Thanks for accepting me into the group. 

The stray kitten that I adopted tested positive for Leukemia two weeks ago. I 
was so heartbroken to hear this news. And just as heartbroken to get the 
response I did from my vet. 

My Bogie, she was always small, playful and a terror, which I loved. She also 
was going in and out of heat quite often and was waiting for a break in the 
action so I could get her spayed. Before I could I noticed she had slowed down 
some…stopped knocking things off all of the tables and shelves and started 
sleeping more. I took her to my vet right away. I asked them right away to do a 
FELV test as well as the exam. Before they would even look at her really, they 
gave her rabies and distemper vaccines. Vet said she was healthy and just small 
and that I should spay her soon. I was making the appointment at the front desk 
when Dr told me to come back into the room. She said Bogie scored a faint 
positive for Leukemia and we should do a total blood evaluation and send out 
some blood to a lab in Indianapolis to verify. In the same breath she told me 
to consider putting my girl to sleep…even without knowing for certain. Shocked 
me a little about her. I said no. The diagnosis was confirmed…positive. And 
that she was severely anemic. RBC 13. They put her on Prednisone and an 
antibiotic and had me come back next week for another blood test. I had them 
also run the FEVL again, just to make sure. Still positive. Her count went up 
to 17. So not much improvement. We set up another appointment for the next week 
for a recheck. The vet called me later the same day and said that the count had 
dropped to 15 so it this wasn’t working. So I asked her what the plan was and 
what do we try next. She said there was no next. She would give me pills to 
keep Bogie comfortable but there was nothing else she was WILLING to do. “There 
are plenty of healthy cats out there that need homes” was her advice to me. I 
said “This is my cat and she deserves a chance” and hung up. I was furious. 

I was able to get into see a vet that I used to take my pets to. I asked the 
woman making the appointment if I could leave the kitten at home for this 
appointment as she was just getting over the prior visit just 2 days before and 
they agreed. I thought that was nice of them. He explained so thoroughly what 
was going on with Bogey. Why things were not working. He prescribed Stanzolol 
2mg once a day along with the Prednisone once a day. He said if my baby doesn’t 
respond to this in a couple of weeks then we will know that she will probably 
not be able to make red blood cells anymore and the only thing left would be 
transfusions. That he would be willing to try with her. She was infected at 
birth and has lived a year with it, she is one strong kitty. 

I ran home and gave Bogie her first dose. 

Hoping and praying that this will help jump start her immune system. 

I was led to this site when I Googled the name of the drug and FELV. I haven’t 
been able to stop reading these posts and all the information here. I was 
curious, what food you all feed your cats? The vet told me to keep her on 
kitten food but make sure it is high quality. I told the dr that Bogie like 
boiled beef liver and he told me to give her as much as she wants. 

Is there anything else I can do to help Bogie’s immune system become stronger? 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool

[Sandy]

Robert more natural - like pumpkin or yogurt - is wise. I know antibiotics play 
havoc with the intestinal system - good luck - I know you will keep everyone 
updated. 


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From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 4:00:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool 

Sandy... 
Thank you I am only now looking into " natural " methods to calm 
his bowel as there are really few medicines that I am aware of for this 
disorder that he can take that won't interfere with his already 
compromised immune system. the perpetual dilemma of medical care for 
immune compromised kitties... 

BTW his stood is not full of a lot of blood generally... a little 
frank blood occasionally and other times red tinged mucus stool is 
generally semi formed and only once did he have frank diarrhea and that 
was following a semi formed stool. what I am hoping is that I can 
normalize his bowel and maybe it will return to normal The little 
guy has been on several courses of antibiotics nearly back to back and 
even the Flagyl ( which was intended to help him) might also have 
further disturbed his intestinal flora... Would really like to back him 
off systemic meds for a few weeks, if possible, give gut enhancing " 
probiotics" ( if any such really exist) and see if that helps.. 
there is , of course, always the possibility of lymphoma as well 
Again. I am not going to rush into all kinds of testing until( 
unless) the symptoms get worse... 

Have to treat my Kitties like I treat my teeth act when I HAVE 
to...except when preventive services will ultimately save me money in 
the long term... 


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> I LIKE THE YOGURT AND PUMPKIN FOR UPSET TUMMIES. 
> Sandy wrote: 
>> Robert, I understand and sympathize your dilemma - as do the others 
>> I'm sure. I am on a limited income also - so I really understand. Is 
>> the stool really bloody? Hopefully not. You might try some 
>> organic canned pumpkin mixed in the wet food or use a syringe to get 
>> it down - pumpkin is good - I know others who use organic yogurt - 
>> each is good for any kitty cat. 
>> Don't give up yet Sandy W 
>> - Original Message - 
>> 
>> From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, 
>> August 14, 2016 3:11:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool 
>> 
>> Thank you all for your responses. I have a bit of a dilemna as 
>> this issued didn't crop up until he had BEEN on Prednisolone oral and 
>> ocular for a couple of months Didn't go for the 50 dollar fecal 
>> test this time because his house mate ( who shares the litter box) is 
>> symptom free Both are indoor cats and exposed to no food other 
>> than what is given them. Still, I doubtless will have his stool 
>> tested just need a couple of weeks to recover from a rash of 
>> expenses... He is currently on weekly B12 injections and we are 
>> looking to see if it helps his Hct ( which is a little low) This 
>> poor little guy has just one thing after another and ,to be frank, I 
>> don't know how much longer I can afford the various chronic 
>> maladies If his buddy ( my other Felv+ cat) goes south soon I'm 
>> going to face a REAL dilemna. Retirement on limited funds and 
>> sick animals are not ideal bedfellows. Gotta keep on Tryin 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool

[Sandy]

Robert, I understand and sympathize your dilemma - as do the others I'm sure. I 
am on a limited income also - so I really understand. Is the stool really 
bloody? Hopefully not. You might try some organic canned pumpkin mixed in the 
wet food or use a syringe to get it down - pumpkin is good - I know others who 
use organic yogurt - each is good for any kitty cat. 

Don't give up yet 
Sandy W 

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:11:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool 


Thank you all for your responses. I have a bit of a dilemna as 
this issued didn't crop up until he had BEEN on Prednisolone oral and 
ocular for a couple of months Didn't go for the 50 dollar fecal 
test this time because his house mate ( who shares the litter box) is 
symptom free Both are indoor cats and exposed to no food other than 
what is given them. Still, I doubtless will have his stool tested just 
need a couple of weeks to recover from a rash of expenses... He is 
currently on weekly B12 injections and we are looking to see if it helps 
his Hct ( which is a little low) This poor little guy has just one 
thing after another and ,to be frank, I don't know how much longer I can 
afford the various chronic maladies If his buddy ( my other Felv+ 
cat) goes south soon I'm going to face a REAL dilemna. Retirement 
on limited funds and sick animals are not ideal bedfellows. Gotta 
keep on Tryin 

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> Bob, I assume you've checked Yogi for parasites. The fact that he 
> is losing weight and having soft bloody mucus could indicate IBD 
> Inflammatory Bowel Disease, I have a cat with this. My cat, Sooty, 
> was on Metronidazole for two weeks, and now has to take prednisolone 
> every other day (transdermally) to keep this under control. He also 
> gets B-12 shots once a week. I hope Yogi does not have this, as it 
> is not curable, only managable. Sooty still enjoys life, but cannot 
> gain weight no matter how much he eats. 
> 
> Lorrie 
> 
> assume you've 
> had him checked for paras 
> 
> On 08-12, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: 
>> My 1 yr old ( Yogi) whose life has been one problem after another 
>> is 
>> now showing bloody mucus in his stool which is now becoming soft 
>> as 
>> well Had him to the Vet and he just completed a 10 day round 
>> of 
>> Flagyl... 
>> I'm already spending a fair amount with the Prednisolone Acetate 
>> he 
>> needs to keep his Uveitis at bay and 300 bucks later ( with an 
>> Xray) it 
>> does not look at though he has any blockages... Anyone have any 
>> experience with this ?? Any relatively benign possible reasons ( 
>> really hoping it is not severe autoimmune bowel disorder) 
>> This 
>> poor little guy has a lot going on for a young cat also losing 
>> weight BUT...acting energetic, appetite is good and he's even 
>> playing a bit despite being half blind.. 
>> thanks, 
>> Bob in Warwick NY 
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> From: Shelley Theye To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blood in Stool 
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> 
> Bob, in case this might help Yogi? 
> My non-FeLV positive cat Frodo, had terrible, liquid, smelly stools 
> with mucous for a numbe

Re: [Felvtalk] Blood in Stool

[Sandy]

fecal test done to rule out parasites?? - just asking- metronzole (spelling) 
can't hurt 


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From: "ROBERT CHAPEL"  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 3:39:45 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blood in Stool 

My 1 yr old ( Yogi) whose life has been one problem after another is now 
showing bloody mucus in his stool which is now becoming soft as well Had 
him to the Vet and he just completed a 10 day round of Flagyl... 
I'm already spending a fair amount with the Prednisolone Acetate he needs to 
keep his Uveitis at bay and 300 bucks later ( with an Xray) it does not look at 
though he has any blockages... Anyone have any experience with this ?? Any 
relatively benign possible reasons ( really hoping it is not severe autoimmune 
bowel disorder) This poor little guy has a lot going on for a young cat 
also losing weight BUT...acting energetic, appetite is good and he's even 
playing a bit despite being half blind.. 

thanks, 
Bob in Warwick NY 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Sandy]

Rachel, I'm so, so sorry :) Life ... 
Sandy W 

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From: "Rachel Dagner" <rdag...@novahrc.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 10:33:13 AM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Tucker 

I lost him yesterday morning. He was having a really hard time breathing 
due to the tumor in his chest. It was time, they got me in right away. It 
was so very hard to say goodbye. I haven't been able to quit crying since. 
It's so unbelievably hard, even knowing that it would happen soon. I miss 
him so much. Everything reminds me of him. I am at work luckily alone 
today, and can't quit crying. I had him with me at work last week and he 
was laying on my desk and purring and sleeping. It's just so hard to 
believe he is gone. I sat in the parking lot at my vets for at least an 
hour with my car door open, just in case he spirit needed to get inside 
and come home with me. I know it will get better, but right now the pain 
is just unbearable. I know that those here who have gone through this 
understand where I am right now. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Lady with cats in South Carolina

[Sandy]

Personally, I'm not comfortable with sending her animals out of town - I'm 
trying to contact resources as well. 

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From: "ROBERT CHAPEL"  
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Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 2:49:17 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lady with cats in South Carolina 

I am sorry that I cannot do more for the next couple of days but I do have a 
"potential " resource 
( at least so their Website advertises and the notes I receive every two days 
looking for contrbutions) 
  
The Organization is called SEER FARMS  and it is located in Jackson NJ    
Their stated mission is to house animals in need of temporary placement while 
owners are going through a personal crisis...   I made a call but could only 
leave a message and have a full days from here on until Sunday. 
  
I apologize that I don't have anything more definitive to add but... We could ( 
instead of paying to have Sharon stay in the motelcontribute to the 
transport and upkeep of her animals in this shelter if they were willing/able 
to accommodate 
  
I have emailed them as well to inquire as to the possibilities but I don't know 
when I will get and answer 
  
Web site is.   http://seerfarms.org/     ( though our listserve is text 
only so use. www.seerfarms.org if interested in looking 
Amani...perhaps you could forward this info to Sharon??  I'm sorry that it 
is so little possibly so late but...one never knows... they SAY they have 
helped hundreds in quite the same circumstances...and kept animals for QUITE a 
long while 
  
Bob in Warwick NY 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Eagle foster cat

[Sandy]

Roxanne please don't feel guilty - I know that may be difficult right now - but 
what if you left him at home and then you found him dead when you returned.  He 
was with you - someone who loved and cared for him even if for a short time. 
Thinking of you and praying for peace, 
Sandy W 

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From: "kat" <merrykatme...@email.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 8:42:02 AM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eagle foster cat 

Dear Roxanne, 
  
I am so sorry for your loss & the pain you are feeling. 
  
Please don't beat yourself up - You said he was in congestive heart failure. I 
have had 2 kitties that developed this condition.  One died at home while I was 
at work, the other died at the vet's office while they were trying to stabilize 
him.  My vet explained to me that dogs in CHF are much easier to treat than 
cats are - a cat's prognosis is slim at best.  
  
You did your best for him & he died with you, not alone. Your choice did not 
kill him!! 
  
I will light a candle for your kitty.  I am sending healing hugs to you. 
  
Kat (Mew Jersey) 
  
  
Sent:  Friday, May 27, 2016 at 2:46 AM 
From:  "Roxanne Smith" <rescuek9li...@sbcglobal.net> 
To:  felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject:  [Felvtalk] Eagle foster cat 
This was a beloved foster. Not felv. However I need to express myself somewhere 
as I am depressed. He was eight months old and died Thursday on the way to door 
county. I was going out of town and needed to bring him with as he was on meds 
and was in congestive heart failure. I think he had a fatal heart attack. I 
feel if I would have left him home he would not have died. My choice killed 
him. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany

[Sandy]

Lorrie you are wonderful person!  
I sure can't compare to what you have done - but I try to do what I can for the 
voiceless. Currently fostering for Maine Coon Rescue and a couple local rescue 
organizations. Of course, it's kitten season and the animal control facilities 
are all in an urgent status - just can't find enough fosters and funding. Sad 
situation - all over. 
  
Sandy 

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From: "Lorrie" <felineres...@frontier.com> 
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Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 5:21:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany 

On 05-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: 


> ALL OF MY CATS WERE EITHER FERAL OR STRAYS.  tHEY SHOWED UP AND i KEPT THEM. 

Same with me. I can't turn them away and this is how I ended up with 
13 cats at home and 28 more in my shelter/sanctuary. 

Rescuing cats seems to be my calling in life and I always wanted to have a 
sanctuary of my own, so in 2004 I bought a large two story brick building in 
town and made it into a wonderful sanctuary for my overflow of rescued cats. 
The cats are not in cages, they have many rooms in which to run. I have 
completely transformed the building into a paradise for cats, with cat 
posts, window perches, wall walks, tunnels and tall cat condos.  All 
are neutered or spayed of course! 

I'm sure many of you know this so I won't go into more details. 

Lorrie 



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Re: [Felvtalk] The Brock Star has left the building

[Sandy]

Marsha I'm so sorry 
Sandy W 

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From: "Katherine K." <kaths...@gmail.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 7:35:14 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Brock Star has left the building 



I'm so sorry, Marsha. Thanks for sharing his story. It is so unfair that they 
don't have more time in this world but he had a wonderful life thanks to you. 

I lost Jazz a few weeks ago and I've found bittersweet comfort in remembering 
his silly, happy personality. I hope Brock visits you soon, but you should know 
he's always close by. 

Katherine 
On Apr 29, 2016 6:39 PM, "Amani Oakley" < aoak...@oakleylegal.com > wrote: 


Oh Marsha. I am so incredibly saddened by your loss. 

They are source of our greatest happiness and our deepest pain and despair. 

Amani 

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From: Felvtalk [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of 
Marsha 
Sent: April-29-16 6:30 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] The Brock Star has left the building 

Brock left this earthly plane this afternoon.  This morning he didn't get out 
of the lounge chair to greet me, refused his heart pills again, and his third 
eyelids were showing.  He did eat all the food I brought him though - he licked 
off the spoon as I held it up in front of him on the lounge chair.  We did 
half, then the other half later.  I visited with him a lot.  He spent most of 
his time in his lounge chair on his fleece blanket, but once he got down and 
took a short stroll through his domain.  Usually I am in the lounge chair, with 
Brock on my lap.  Such a tired boy; his bone marrow was no longer working as it 
should - low RBC, WBC, and platelets, and not making new.  He had Feline 
Leukemia Virus, survived a year with Restrictive Cardiomyopathy & CHF, and just 
recently developed lymphoma.  So not fair to such a sweet and handsome boy. 

He received a sedative first and we spent a half hour or 45 minutes together.  
His paw rested on my hand.  As he relaxed, he ever so lightly made biscuits on 
my hand.  He even did his elevator butt routine, but laying down instead of 
standing up. 

He was only with me a year and a half, but he had so much love to give out 
during that time, that there is now another permanent scar on my heart.  Along 
with too many others that are still somewhat fresh. 

Dearest Brock, visit me soon in my dreams.  I left the patio lights on for your 
spirit to find the way back to Fort Shappell. 

Marsha 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Testing

[Sandy]

I got your e-mail :) 

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From: "Lorrie"  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 5:09:03 PM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Testing 


I've not had any posts from this group in quite awhile. 
Just testing to see if everything is alright. They keep threatening 
to drop me, for "bounces" and I cannot understand why this is, so I 
want to be sure I am still enrolled as a member. 

Lorrie 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Coco sneezing blood

[Sandy]

Have you tried using a nebulizer? And, there is a prescription the doc could 
write to use in the nebulizer - I don't know what the name of it might be 
though - I use a mixture of sterilizer water (3 cc) , Tylan (1 cc)  and 
Neomycin (2 cc) 
I use this for URI 
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From: "Marsha"  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 8:37:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco sneezing blood 

Less likely to be cancer if it started with both nostrils.  In November I 
thought my Noelle had a respiratory infection.  She had bloody mucous coming 
from only 1 nostril.  We went through several antibiotics which didn't help, 
until finally she had a full oral exam under anesthesia.  Needle aspirations 
were taken of a lump that was found, plus of her enlarged lymph nodes.  All 
three samples came back showing cancer.  

Clindamycin is supposed to be the best antibiotic for sinus infections, but it 
is also the absolutely most nasty tasting.  Flavorings or sweeteners barely 
make a dent in the bitter taste of liquid clindamycin.  If you have some, put a 
tiny drop on your tongue, and you'll find out fast why your cat fights it!  The 
only thing that helps with the bitter taste is to eat or drink something 
immediately afterwards.  I think we went through at least 4 different 
antibiotics with Noelle.  Might have been 5.  If antibiotics don't seem to do 
anything, then a full oral exam under anesthesia, or CT scan if you can afford 
it and kitty doesn't have other health issues.  Or maybe an endoscopic sinus 
exam if there is someone in your area that can do that and has the equipment.  

As others mentioned, humidifying the air might help no matter what the ultimate 
cause of the bloody discharge. 

Marsha 


On 1/22/2016 9:05 PM, Kelley S wrote: 



Both nostrils.  Looks like the snot may be yellow underneath, but hard to tell 
when bloody. 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Marsha < mar...@lynxe.com > wrote: 


One nostril or both?  Color of mucus (besides the blood)? 

Marsha 


On 1/22/2016 12:28 AM, Kelley S wrote: 


Hey folks 

Coco went through a bad time last year where she would not eat, dropped a lot 
of weight.  We got her started eating again and she has gained 1/2 pound - from 
6.0 to 6.5 (she is a small cat, but I'd rather see her at 7). 

Anyway, she is now sneezing blood.  I took her in to the vet Saturday and he 
tried one antibiotic, took her back on Wed and he gave her another antibiotic, 
which I am probably going to have to go rebuy tomorrow as I've managed to lose 
the bottle. 

Anyway - she is now sneezing blood and has a very little bit of dried matter in 
the corners of her eyes.  She is eating, drinking, pottying, playing fine.  But 
she is still sneezing blood - sometimes a fine spray and sometimes hunks of 
bloody mucus which is very unnerving. 

Has anyone had to deal with this? 

Kelley and Coco 










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Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

[Sandy]

go to 
www.healthypets.mercola.com 
Dr. Becker has numerous articles on food for dogs & cats + she has a book "Real 
Food for Healthy Dogs & Cats". She states and I have read other places that if 
we make our own food for a fur family member it's so very important it has all 
the "right" ingredients. I was just scrolling through articles found some very 
interesting about food - might try Dr. Beckers top food for cats or something 
like that to access some of them - cats/dogs are carnivores was in one head 
line 
Canned food was the best because of water content 
Sandy 

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Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2016 8:01:29 PM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share? 



Hello everyone, 

My FeLV+ cat Tigger is doing very well at the moment, however, he did have a 
swollen lymph node, and even though he is past the initial period of illness, 
he is still positive. He does seem to be cold quite often even though we have 
the thermostat turned way up for him, and he also seems to sleep a lot more 
than he ever did before so I am now giving him a liquid vitamin/mineral 
supplement with iron in it. 

  

When he was very sick and not eating/drinking, the vet told me to feed him 
anything he wants. What he chose was Friskies salmon pate canned food. Now that 
he eats better, he has really cut down on eating the Blue Buffalo dry food. In 
my reading I have heard that it is not good for him to have any “fish-based” 
food. I have seen this mentioned in several articles. I think it has something 
to do with bacteria but I’m not sure. 

  

I am wondering if any of you make your own cat food. I once had to boil chicken 
and rice together for a cat who was sick, and as I remember she didn’t like it 
much. So – I am looking for a way to make something out of “people quality” 
meat and maybe put a little rice in it, but I am thinking it will have to have 
a “pate” consistency and be fairly flavorful. This kitty doesn’t seem to think 
he should eat any people food, whereas my other one believes she should only 
eat people food. 

  

Any ideas would be appreciated – I will go to whatever lengths needed to make a 
good food for him. (I have tried the fresh cat food at Pet Food Plus and he 
won’t touch it. I have also tried all the other canned stuff, even the super 
expensive kinds.) 

  

Thanks!! 

Ardy Robertson 

Osseo, WI 

  

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Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol

[Sandy]

Thanks 

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From: "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 12:31:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol 



Stanozolol. 

  

Amani 

  

  

  


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy 
Sent: December-21-15 11:06 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol 


  


I believe Drs. Foster & Smith - on-line company has the generic - name begins 
with an "s" 


  
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From: "Jane Gannon" < strayc...@roadrunner.com > 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:49:43 AM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol 


  


I live in NY and my vet says he can not find where to get Winstrol in the US.  
Also, he can not find any info about the drug on the Vetinary Information 
Network (VIN) that he uses.  He is familiar with the drug and said it was used 
years ago.  In fact, he said vet clinics had to stop stocking it because people 
were breaking in and stealing it.  He said horse people who were not even 
clients would come to the clinic to try and buy it.  He said he would try and 
get it for me if I wanted to try it.  But he can't answer any of my questions 
about side effects or if it is safe for a cat with a heart condition or who is 
on depo medrol.  So far all my positives have developed other problems that 
they had to be put to sleep for, not anemia. 


  


I have 6 positive cats left, I am going to euthanise my 3yr old  today who has 
FIP.  Also, one had a seizure last week, and another had uveitis.  Has anyone 
else had any of these problems. 


  




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Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol

[Sandy]

I believe Drs. Foster & Smith - on-line company has the generic - name begins 
with an "s" 

- Original Message -

From: "Jane Gannon"  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:49:43 AM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol 

I live in NY and my vet says he can not find where to get Winstrol in the US.  
Also, he can not find any info about the drug on the Vetinary Information 
Network (VIN) that he uses.  He is familiar with the drug and said it was used 
years ago.  In fact, he said vet clinics had to stop stocking it because people 
were breaking in and stealing it.  He said horse people who were not even 
clients would come to the clinic to try and buy it.  He said he would try and 
get it for me if I wanted to try it.  But he can't answer any of my questions 
about side effects or if it is safe for a cat with a heart condition or who is 
on depo medrol.  So far all my positives have developed other problems that 
they had to be put to sleep for, not anemia. 
  
I have 6 positive cats left, I am going to euthanise my 3yr old  today who has 
FIP.  Also, one had a seizure last week, and another had uveitis.  Has anyone 
else had any of these problems. 
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlin has a mouth tumor

[Sandy Noneofyourbusiness]

One thing I would be worried about, the stress of the surgery may kill your 
cat. Don’t want to sound so ‘gloom  doom’ but it IS something that can happen. 
My vet and I just discussed this the other month. Our special kitties don’t 
always do well with stress. Good luck.(we have a cat that has a tumor in his 
throat that we decided not to remove,he is older though,9)

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[Felvtalk] introduction

[Sandy Noneofyourbusiness]

Hi everyone! I am new here so if I do something wrong, let me know. This kind 
of group is set up different than what I am used to.
My male friend moved back to Wisconsin, from Tucson, AZ back in 2012. He 
brought with him ‘9’ of his cats. ALL had FeLV. Shortly after he moved here, 5 
of his cats died.(stress and fleas) A friend of his had to have brought them 
over with him when he was visiting.
We were friends back in the mid 70’s, and we ended up dating and now we have 
been living together for about a 
1 1/2 yrs. I had a FeLV free cat and 2 dogs. It was a HARD decision but all I 
could do is vaccinate my cat for FeLV and pray he does not get it.(it is about 
75% effective?)
Anyway, what I was going to say, that cats having FeLV is not a death sentence, 
so do not count on them to be dying early. One cat of my boyfriend’s,(Clyde) 
was 13 yrs. old before he died. 
Right now we have Oliver(4 years 4 mos.), Diamond(9 yrs. 10 months),Dora 
Jean(10 yrs. 4 mos.),Sheila(4 yrs.) and Wilma(3 yrs. 6 mos.). I also have 2 
dogs, Ryder(8 yrs. 6 mos.) and last but not least, Ozzie(12 yrs. 8 mos.). 
ALL cats are healthy and always have been, so far. Diamond does have a tumor in 
his throat(ear) area that just doing surgery would most likely kill him from 
stress.(it is not FeLV related) So as long as he eats and has no pain and no 
other issues, we will keep him alive. He is a very happy cat.  
My oldest dog,Ozzie, might have blastomycosis.(2nd dog of mine that has had it) 
The vet should be letting me know today/tomorrow. Since he is so old, I will 
not treat him and just put him to sleep.(UGH!) He also has an enlarged heart. 
So I may have to make that tough decision that we ALL hate.
Sorry this is so long, just wanted to do an intro.
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Re: Innova EVO, anyone else made the switch yet? (OT)

[sandy kuplis]

Hi,
I just tried to switch my diabetic kitty who also has IBD and he really 
liked the food but his
stomach didnt.   Maybe he ate it too fast, but I will have to watch more 
closely and see if he can
tolerate it.  They want Shades on it for the diabetes but we dont want the 
IBD to flare up.
Will keep you posted.

Sandy, Shades, Tribyl, Spike and Angel Houdindi
From: Barbara Baass [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Innova EVO, anyone else made the switch yet? (OT)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 04:50:34 -0700 (PDT)
I have just switched to Innova Roasted Chicken and then I also got some 
Felidae. I wonder which one is best? How about this Balance one?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I have just completed the switch-over to the new Innova 
EVO cat food, and I think they really are going to do great on it. Maybe 
it's all in my head, but I THINK the bald food-allergy cat is already 
growing back some HAIR! Has anyone else switched their cats' food over to 
the EVO yet? And if so, have you noticed anything amazing yet? Just curious 
because I THINK it was on THIS list where I first heard about it a couple of 
weeks ago now. I'm just glad it's still under $40 for a 15 pound bag, I 
think it came to $36.50 here! Time will tell if it's worth it or not, but I 
REALLY think Mythic is scratching less and looks a bit furrier than he did 
3 weeks ago.

Jenn
~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat 
who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up 
until she earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you 
can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
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Re: OT: Cat's Life Death - Let's make it count!!

[Sandy]

Finally a judge with some common sense!!
Sandy, Shades, tribyl, and spike
- Original Message - 
From: Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: OT: Cat's Life  Death - Let's make it count!!


 It is about darn time


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Hi All,
Here is an award handed out by a local judge in Seattle, even if you
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and
 vote so it's clear to readers that plenty of us think that a cat's life
is
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RE: Akira needs prayers......

[sandy kuplis]

We are all praying,and sending all good thoughts!!!
Sandy, Shades, Tribyl and Spike plus Angel Houdini
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Akira needs prayers..
Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 09:27:50 EDT
Hi everyone,
well it  seems like for every great thing an equally horrible one
occursThe book that my stories are in came out this week...many about 
Akira  and how
she over came her sicknesses when I found her...My 23rd birthday was
yesterday (cinco de Mayo), and Monday Akira decided to quit eating, Ive been 
 force
feeding her, and offering her anything I could think of...she would  
sniff..but
not even was remotely interested other than thatSo today to the  vet we
went...Im home now..she is still there...45 mins away, on an IV catheter  
for
fluids, being force fed, waiting on blood work to come backshe has  the
VERY first signs of fatty liver, (her urine is VERY concentrate)..but she
isnt jaundiced yet (thankfully)...and her blood is very thick...which is
good..she presumably by teh looks of it..isnt anemic...which means this 
possibly  is
NOT as a result of the Leukemia...but then again...as with every other 
damned
symptom..it still could beIve never left her alone before..I am so
worriedand feel so betrayed.HAPPY BIRTHDAY..your cat is trying to  
die
..So please say  prayers, send Reikianything her way she needs all the 
help
she can get...she  is dehydrated, initiall fatty liver..and she has lost 2
lbs in about 4  days..(.she only weighed 8 to begin with)  She is my angel 
that
introduced  me to rescue, cats, and unconditional loveI cant lose
her.Im not  ready.


Lisa and the  furbrats
Akira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and  Anza
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RE: Brissle is gone...

[sandy kuplis]

I am so so sorry, You are in our hearts and thoughts today and always.
Sandy, Shades, Spike and Triby plus angel Houdini
From: Melbeach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Brissle is gone...
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:31:04 -0400
The day I've been dreading finally came. Last night Brissle left me. It got 
to
the point where she couldn't move on her own. I thought about another blood
transfusion. But I just didn't have the heart to put her through another
cycle. We already made our peace. I made it a point the last couple of days 
to
spend every minute with her. I think she was hanging on just for me. So now
it's just me and Squermie. I think he's finally starting to figure it out.
It's hard, but I'm trying to stay positive. I am eternally grateful to all 
of
you on Felvtalk for your caring support. You guys really are the best.

-Kyle


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