Re: [Felvtalk] Food, Bad Jokes, Good Vets

[dlgegg]

I solved the water situation with a Pioneed water fountain.  They love the 
water movement, it filters the water and if yoiu add a few ice cubes to bob 
around, they really like it.  They drink much more than they did with water 
bowls.

 Lorrie  wrote: 
> Hi Robert,
> 
> No problem about the joke. I was also joking when I said your remark
> almost gave me a heart attack.
> 
> Re: FOOD -  None of my 13 rescued cats like the grain free foods
> either. They also don't like Friskies canned, but I worry about too
> much dry food. It easier to feed, but they need more moisture so they
> get Fancy Feast once a day (expensive with 13 cats) but thats all
> they want. The rest of the time they get dry food, but I cannot free 
> feed as I have 4 who are overweight. So they all get fed individually
> and I've discovered many of them like a bit of water on their dry
> food, which is good because this way I'm sure they are getting enough
> liquids.
> 
> As for myself I eat as healthy as I can. Junk food actually  turns my
> stomach now as does fried food. I've been eating this way for about
> 30 years now, and I really love veggies, whole grains, and very little
> meat. What meat I eat is always braised or baked.  It must be working
> as my blood work is perfect at age 84, but I still got arthritis and
> it's VERY painful.  I figure I'll live to be 100 and be in pain the 
> entire time :-(   Well I have to outlive all these cats so I'll deal 
> with it.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> 
> 
> On 03-11, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
> > 
> > First... my apologies to those who did not get IMMEDIATELY that I was 
> > joking about using a knife to remove Jelly's fluid  I thought it 
> > would be a foregone conclusion anyone  one who takes the time to BE in 
> > this forum would ever do such a thing be it from cruelty or monumental 
> > stupidity   Such are the drawbacks of email communication...minus 
> > facial cues and voice tone...  there are only words on a page.
> > 
> > Re  FOOD:  This is argued perpetually even among vets and animal 
> > nutritionists... There is the " raw only" camp the don't EVER let 
> > your cat touch grain camp... The ONLY wet food camp... the Use Multiple 
> > sources of protein camp( don't stay with the same food camp vs...stay 
> > with the same food camp)ad nauseum.. I am personally an 
> > excellent human example of how genetics influences health... I am a 
> > walking heart attack ( apart from my tendency to like exercise and keep 
> > somewhat active).. On a limited budget now...and ,even when I had money, 
> > so seldom home.. I have been eating " wrong" my entire life.. Meanwhile 
> > a recent Cardiac Vessel Calcium test found my vessels 100% clear ( MD 
> > says I'm good for 10 more years minimum)... 3 friends that have eaten 
> > "right" for decades have recently been Dx'd with heart issues... 
> > Unfair...yes... but fact.    *** The only thing I can somewhat control 
> > that concerns me a lot is making sure that my cats get enough fluid so I 
> > try to be sure that they ( he) get some wet food daily in addition to 
> > the water he drinks Don't know that it's a deal breaker but it makes 
> > ME feel better.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Food, Bad Jokes, Good Vets

[Lorrie]

Hi Robert,

No problem about the joke. I was also joking when I said your remark
almost gave me a heart attack.

Re: FOOD -  None of my 13 rescued cats like the grain free foods
either. They also don't like Friskies canned, but I worry about too
much dry food. It easier to feed, but they need more moisture so they
get Fancy Feast once a day (expensive with 13 cats) but thats all
they want. The rest of the time they get dry food, but I cannot free 
feed as I have 4 who are overweight. So they all get fed individually
and I've discovered many of them like a bit of water on their dry
food, which is good because this way I'm sure they are getting enough
liquids.

As for myself I eat as healthy as I can. Junk food actually  turns my
stomach now as does fried food. I've been eating this way for about
30 years now, and I really love veggies, whole grains, and very little
meat. What meat I eat is always braised or baked.  It must be working
as my blood work is perfect at age 84, but I still got arthritis and
it's VERY painful.  I figure I'll live to be 100 and be in pain the 
entire time :-(   Well I have to outlive all these cats so I'll deal 
with it.

Lorrie



On 03-11, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
> 
> First... my apologies to those who did not get IMMEDIATELY that I was 
> joking about using a knife to remove Jelly's fluid  I thought it 
> would be a foregone conclusion anyone  one who takes the time to BE in 
> this forum would ever do such a thing be it from cruelty or monumental 
> stupidity   Such are the drawbacks of email communication...minus 
> facial cues and voice tone...  there are only words on a page.
> 
> Re  FOOD:  This is argued perpetually even among vets and animal 
> nutritionists... There is the " raw only" camp the don't EVER let 
> your cat touch grain camp... The ONLY wet food camp... the Use Multiple 
> sources of protein camp( don't stay with the same food camp vs...stay 
> with the same food camp)ad nauseum.. I am personally an 
> excellent human example of how genetics influences health... I am a 
> walking heart attack ( apart from my tendency to like exercise and keep 
> somewhat active).. On a limited budget now...and ,even when I had money, 
> so seldom home.. I have been eating " wrong" my entire life.. Meanwhile 
> a recent Cardiac Vessel Calcium test found my vessels 100% clear ( MD 
> says I'm good for 10 more years minimum)... 3 friends that have eaten 
> "right" for decades have recently been Dx'd with heart issues... 
> Unfair...yes... but fact.    *** The only thing I can somewhat control 
> that concerns me a lot is making sure that my cats get enough fluid so I 
> try to be sure that they ( he) get some wet food daily in addition to 
> the water he drinks Don't know that it's a deal breaker but it makes 
> ME feel better.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Food, Bad Jokes, Good Vets

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I was not realy going to report you for cruelty, you are in this group so I 
know better.  Just giving you a rough time.  
re:food
I have a rough time getting my pride to eat canned food.  I mix it with hot 
water to make it smell better.  They drink the broth and leave the meat. Can't 
figure that one out.  They do not like fish flavored food, not even when I fix 
fresh wild caught salmon or tuna. 
Harley especially wants to eat everything I eat, it just might be something he 
likes.  I have to cook for all of us, take out for him and then season with 
garlic for myself.  So I stick with Blue Buffalo duck, red meat or rabbit.  
They attack the bag before I can get it open.  I used to feed Hills Science 
Diet until they were one of the companies caught in the big food scandal that 
was killing off dogs, cats and some seniors who could not afford regular food.  
Plus it had grains and most of my pride are allergic to them, especially soy.  
They were constantly vomiting as soon as they ate it.  A waste of expensive 
food.  I also have 2 water fountains (one in each end of the house) and they 
are now drinking more water, especially when I add a few ice cubes that bounce 
around in the water.  We like to watch them and try to catch them.
Since they eat the food, it is cheaper in the long run because it does not go 
to waste. The only time anyone vomits is when Harley pounce on them right after 
eating.  His mission in life is to aggrevate everyone in the house.  He is the 
only one who goes outside, catches a mouse, schrew or vole and then spends his 
time sleeping on the deck.  Dee and Annie go out for a sunny nap which is good 
because they get their vitamin d.  Homie, a former feral has taken a sudden 
dislike to outside.  I think she has a good thing going and does not want to 
loose it.  On sunny days I make her go out with me for her vitamin k.  
 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> 
First... my apologies to those who did not get IMMEDIATELY that I was 
joking about using a knife to remove Jelly's fluid  I thought it 
would be a foregone conclusion anyone  one who takes the time to BE in 
this forum would ever do such a thing be it from cruelty or monumental 
stupidity   Such are the drawbacks of email communication...minus 
facial cues and voice tone...  there are only words on a page.

Re  FOOD:  This is argued perpetually even among vets and animal 
nutritionists... There is the " raw only" camp the don't EVER let 
your cat touch grain camp... The ONLY wet food camp... the Use Multiple 
sources of protein camp( don't stay with the same food camp vs...stay 
with the same food camp)ad nauseum.. I am personally an 
excellent human example of how genetics influences health... I am a 
walking heart attack ( apart from my tendency to like exercise and keep 
somewhat active).. On a limited budget now...and ,even when I had money, 
so seldom home.. I have been eating " wrong" my entire life.. Meanwhile 
a recent Cardiac Vessel Calcium test found my vessels 100% clear ( MD 
says I'm good for 10 more years minimum)... 3 friends that have eaten 
"right" for decades have recently been Dx'd with heart issues... 
Unfair...yes... but fact.    *** The only thing I can somewhat control 
that concerns me a lot is making sure that my cats get enough fluid so I 
try to be sure that they ( he) get some wet food daily in addition to 
the water he drinks Don't know that it's a deal breaker but it makes 
ME feel better.
I also subscribe to keeping grains to a minimum since cats are obligate 
carnivores... I doubt that grains are going to kill them but why force 
their bodies to learn to digest something they were not constructed to 
utilize unless you really cannot afford better quality cat food... When 
my family had the most cats ( when I was young) there WERE no such 
specialty cat foods and I had a few VERY healthy cats ( all of them were 
indoor/outdoor kitties so some were taken before their time) who all ate 
the same garbage cat food ( puss'n boots from a can...later tender 
vittles.. and other high grain content foods) and lived to 20 years 
old...  In the shelter our cats are all fed the same diet 
initiallysome thrive... others develop diseases within months on 
Science Diet ( their non specialty mid range general cat food)... So... 
I buy the best food I can afford ( and that they will eat) and hope for 
the best... currently my boy ( formerly my boys) is on grain free 
Natural Balance Pea and Venison ( not cheap) and Friskies Pate in the 
evening ( my guy will NOT eat any of the high end canned food I offer 
him and I went through a year of spending LOTS of money trying 
everything so that my sick cat Yogi would eat wet food that had some 
medicine mixed in... Baby Food at 109.00 a night... chicken, pork etc... 
that I cooked myself) Neither would touch " quality" wet food...  Now my 
remaining guy LOVES friskies pate and I LOVE that it costs 50cents a 
can!!!... 

Re: [Felvtalk] Food, Bad Jokes, Good Vets

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

First... my apologies to those who did not get IMMEDIATELY that I was 
joking about using a knife to remove Jelly's fluid  I thought it 
would be a foregone conclusion anyone  one who takes the time to BE in 
this forum would ever do such a thing be it from cruelty or monumental 
stupidity   Such are the drawbacks of email communication...minus 
facial cues and voice tone...  there are only words on a page.


Re  FOOD:  This is argued perpetually even among vets and animal 
nutritionists... There is the " raw only" camp the don't EVER let 
your cat touch grain camp... The ONLY wet food camp... the Use Multiple 
sources of protein camp( don't stay with the same food camp vs...stay 
with the same food camp)ad nauseum.. I am personally an 
excellent human example of how genetics influences health... I am a 
walking heart attack ( apart from my tendency to like exercise and keep 
somewhat active).. On a limited budget now...and ,even when I had money, 
so seldom home.. I have been eating " wrong" my entire life.. Meanwhile 
a recent Cardiac Vessel Calcium test found my vessels 100% clear ( MD 
says I'm good for 10 more years minimum)... 3 friends that have eaten 
"right" for decades have recently been Dx'd with heart issues... 
Unfair...yes... but fact.    *** The only thing I can somewhat control 
that concerns me a lot is making sure that my cats get enough fluid so I 
try to be sure that they ( he) get some wet food daily in addition to 
the water he drinks Don't know that it's a deal breaker but it makes 
ME feel better.
I also subscribe to keeping grains to a minimum since cats are obligate 
carnivores... I doubt that grains are going to kill them but why force 
their bodies to learn to digest something they were not constructed to 
utilize unless you really cannot afford better quality cat food... When 
my family had the most cats ( when I was young) there WERE no such 
specialty cat foods and I had a few VERY healthy cats ( all of them were 
indoor/outdoor kitties so some were taken before their time) who all ate 
the same garbage cat food ( puss'n boots from a can...later tender 
vittles.. and other high grain content foods) and lived to 20 years 
old...  In the shelter our cats are all fed the same diet 
initiallysome thrive... others develop diseases within months on 
Science Diet ( their non specialty mid range general cat food)... So... 
I buy the best food I can afford ( and that they will eat) and hope for 
the best... currently my boy ( formerly my boys) is on grain free 
Natural Balance Pea and Venison ( not cheap) and Friskies Pate in the 
evening ( my guy will NOT eat any of the high end canned food I offer 
him and I went through a year of spending LOTS of money trying 
everything so that my sick cat Yogi would eat wet food that had some 
medicine mixed in... Baby Food at 109.00 a night... chicken, pork etc... 
that I cooked myself) Neither would touch " quality" wet food...  Now my 
remaining guy LOVES friskies pate and I LOVE that it costs 50cents a 
can!!!... plus I toss him a bit of whatever meat I might be eating on 
those occassions that I eat meat at home. Point is... I don't think 
that diet( unless it's particularly horrible)  is going to make THE 
difference in a cats health and to not beat yourself up if you can't 
afford the BEST OF THE BEST... Most of the human population cannot 
afford to eat Doctor recommended diets unless they have fruit trees in 
their back yards and a year round vegetable garden... and if you also 
want to go organic...Hell...why not just buy a second house!!!
LAST on the listVets.   I really like the idea of posting the names 
and whereabouts of Vets that we are all pleased with but MUCH more 
interested in learning who the vets are that are willing to prescribe 
Winstrol...  I like my vet just fine but she's close minded about 
Winstrol and that concerns me no end...



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