Re: [Felvtalk] Curly
Randy ... That is phenomenal News... Crit is edging quickly back towards normal. Wouldn't it be great if more vets were as open minded and caring as your own and , yes, there is more than one cat that would no longer be on this earth were it not for this forum. My own little Yogi included If one listens only to the uninformed vets it is easy to assume that the disease if a death sentence and nothing is lost helping the animal avoid future suffering by taking him/her out now Two vets have " suggested " this to me without really _ saying_ it I'm so glad for Curly and you that the future looks that much brighter. On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:34 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Curly's gradual improvement (Randy Henke) 2. Re: Curly's gradual improvement (dlg...@windstream.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 08:52:02 -0600 From: Randy Henke To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Curly's latest labs from yesterday show another hematocrit leap from 15% to 23% in 2 1/2 weeks. She has also gained 6/10 of a pound! (7.1 up from 6.5). Behaviorally she is almost back to her old self. She is no longer hiding, seeks out attention and is eating well. Our vet told us he is astounded. But more importantly, he said that he is changing his treatment for FELV cats based on Curly's remarkable improvement and will be using Prednisone, Winstrol and Doxycyline in the future. A small win for our side against this disease. Her blood chemistry test did show that her ALT levels have risen to 174 which is an indicator that liver cells are being destroyed. Our vet said it is definitely a result of the anabolic steroid but he isn't overly concerned yet. H wants us to continue treatment for another month. Once Curly's hematocrit is up to around 30 he wants to start cycling the Winstrol, one week on and one week off, to give her liver a chance to regenerate. Without this forum and the advice I received here along with a very understanding and open-minded vet, I'm quite sure Curly wouldn't be around anymore. I have my fingers crossed that we can keep things balanced and headed in the right direction but so far, so good! On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: Hopefully, we start winning the vets over when they see the results, and they start to tell each other about some success for FeLV cats with this combination. By the way, I have also effectively used this combination for a cat who, I believe had FIV, and I currently am using just the Doxy/Winstrol combination on 2 of 3 kittens we picked up from the side of the road in August and they displayed the symptoms of Lyme Disease (alternating lameness and other signs). In the last case, I am pretty sure that the majority of the effect on the Lyme organism *(Borrelia bergdorferi) *is from the Doxycycline, but the good effect on the lameness (which had been in place for several months before I thought to try the medications) is I believe as a result of the use of the Winstrol. When the vets tell me that (a) they don?t know what the diagnosis is and other options seem ineffective or (b) they tell me there is no hope, I will usually try the Winstrol and almost always get a decent result. Amani *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Randy Henke *Sent:* January-22-17 11:54 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement Amani, you asked what our vet thought about Curly's improvement. He was very pleased but I think he was also a little surprised. He is an incredible vet and always goes the extra mile to listen and explain things. He was also very open to letting us try the Prednisolone, Doxy and Winstrol, even though he'd never treated a FELV cat in that way. I think he thought it would help put my mind at ease that we'd tried everything we could and he's right. It would have done that even if the treatment hadn't worked. He was very concerned about the Prednisolone opening her up to secondary infections but once he saw the numbers start to improve he was convinced we were doing the right thing and told us to keep it up. I am going to talk to him about continuing the Doxy. Robert,
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Randy... You might want to invest in an inexpensive Mortar and Pestle ( available in any Kitchen store if you don't already have one) they are quite useful in grinding virtually any compressed pill into fine powder if you spend a little extra time. I have one devoted to only pet meds and I do all my mixing in it as well so tha no powder is wasted ( eg... if I'm going to give Doxy/Winstrol in food I'll grind...then add food and then, perhaps, a little water or broth depending on which food I'm using... I'm sure you've discovered which foods are best to assure Curly will eat them with meds added ( My Guy will only take meds mixed in Baby food with some powdered Temptations treats added other days he won't consider it... so generally I mix the Winstrol and Doxy with a ML or two of Broth and administer with Syringe this assures that he gets the full dose and obviates worries about any sticking around in his esophagus... I very seldom pill him any more unless I am in a huge rush and it's either that or skip the dose IF.. I pill him I always follow with a ML or two of water and a few Kitty treats in hopes that there is no residual to cause problems BTW... a HCT jump from 9 to 15 in only a couple of weeks is WonderfulIf I were you I wouldn't change a thing simply because you don't really know which of the components is " more " responsible for the results or if it's the synergy between all three. Once he's closer to Normal Levels you could play around a little... but I'd , personally, wait on changing anything in the protocol that you've been using... On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 11:42 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Curly's gradual improvement (Amani Oakley) 2. Re: Curly's gradual improvement (Ardy Robertson) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 03:11:20 + From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Oh Randy, I am so THRILLED to hear of your positive response to the medications, and that your vet was so helpful. (What does your vet think of the response?) You may think that 15% haematocrit is still very sick, and it is still well outside the normal range, but you?ve basically had a 60% increase in haematocrit in 3 weeks. That is quite amazing and wonderful. It is as good a result as you would have had with 2 units of blood being given as a transfusion, only it is much better than a transfusion because Curly is producing her own cells, rather than temporarily filling up with someone else?s blood. With respect to the Doxy, I am not sure. If it were me, I would probably want to continue if you can. You?ve had a very good result. Why mess with the formula? I can?t say definitively, one way or the other, since I very much figured things out by running weekly blood work and if I saw a dip or a reversal in the numbers, I would adjust the medication accordingly. I don?t know if I am right about my Doxy theory (and it is just pure conjecture on my part, based on my non-vet research) but I really think that the Doxy is part of the effective package. I feel that the Doxy holds the virus in check ? perhaps slowing down its reproduction by inhibiting RNA synthesis ? enough to allow the body to make some progress with the Winstrol. I don?t think that the Winstrol on its own is enough. With the Doxy, I used to scrape the quarter tablet into a slab of butter to coat it with butter, to help it slide down better, since the quarter table it very dry and scratchy. I also posted recently that the Doxy we get from vets (and even from our doctors) is the same as what you can get to treat fish or birds, in a pet store, and that is sold in powdered packages of 100 mg (same as 1 tablet). A prescription isn?t needed for it, and because it is powdered, it can be mixed into food or liquid. Great news, too, with your success in getting her to eat more and put on weight. I love to hear good news on this front. Let?s hope she continues in the right direction. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Randy Henke Sent: January-19-17 9:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement It has been a little over a month ago
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Randy I am SO happy to hear that Curly had a very positive response to Mirtazapine albeit FAR in excess of anything I saw with my Yogi. Nothing makes us happier here than to hear positive stories about FeLV kitties responding positively to treatment.. I feel happy for the Cats and even more so for the caretakers who are so obviously committed to their pets a welcome relief from the stories I hear daily about people who won't do even the simplest things to assure the welfare of their charges.. Actually... being short on cash...I often feel quite badly seeing the kind of money people are spending on their cats and feeling a measure of conflict when I consider how many people really CAN'T afford to take a FeLV cat home. You can't purchase insurance for them which means a LOT of cash outlay for Vet bills if you happen to have a Kitty that starts to get sick early on The more expensive vet care gets the fewer can afford pets if the are of modest means. This is bad for the many thousands of pets awaiting homes in shelters and PARTICULARLY bad for the adoption odds of FeLV and and FIV cats. Please keep us up to date on Curlys' progress!!! On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 09:53 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator and FeLV (debbie.ka...@comcast.net) 2. Re: LTCI injections ?? (Patti B.) 3. Re: Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator and FeLV (Amani Oakley) 4. Re: LTCI injections ?? (Amani Oakley) 5. Curly's gradual improvement (Randy Henke) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 20:11:42 + (UTC) From: debbie.ka...@comcast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator and FeLV Message-ID: <1395008492.47210717.1484856702418.javamail.zim...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi, I have a 7 month old kitten that I am considering starting the T-Cell injections for him. He is presenting with possible IBD right now or GI Lymphoma. I am wondering if anyone has had cat/kitten with similar symptoms and has used the Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator injections? Also wondering if anyone has had a FeLV+ cat with confirmed (thru ultrasound) thickened intestinal walls and if you've done intestinal biopsy to determine IBD or GI Lymphoma. Thank you, Debbie K. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 21:48:35 + (UTC) From: "Patti B." To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI injections ?? Message-ID: <1365009824.138305345.1484862515161.javamail.zim...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi, I have a 7 month old kitten, Joe.had an eye enucleation in Sept. tested NEG-FELV. But.due to lethargy and the eye removal site not looking right.I took him to my REGULAR vet. He has now tested POSITIVE-FELV and is extremely anemic. He is eating well and drinking. Getting laser on eye surgical site, BUT I would love to to try the LTCI injections for him. Has anyone here tried them ? Thanks, Patti "The fate of animals is of greater importance to me than the fear of appearing ridiculous; it is indissolubly connected with the fate of men." - Emile Zola (1840-1902) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 23:42:45 + From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator and FeLV Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Debbie I tried them for several months, and tested blood work weekly. I didn?t find the injections budged the low red cell/haematocrit/retic/platelet counts at all. However, I recall others in this group who have reported better results. Are you new to the group? I don?t want to jump in with my experiences with Winstrol if you have heard it all before. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of debbie.ka...@comcast.net Sent: January-19-17 3:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator and FeLV Hi, I have a 7 month old kitten that I am considering starting the T-Cell injections for him.
