Re: [Finale] Thoughts on Lyrics and other items, in general

2002-09-24 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
For What It's Worth Department: Last Wednesday afternoon (18:20 CDT, the same time zone Coda is in) I posted to this list a message in which I wrote: The lengthy thread about freaking lyrics leads me to make an nomination for the biggest shortcoming (bar NONE) of Finale: THE DOCUMENTATION!

Re: [Finale] 1/2 and whole rest line thickness

2002-09-24 Thread Mr. Liudas Motekaitis
In 2001d: The only way I know how to do this is to change the note heads into the appropriate rests on an individual basis. But you will have a lot of things to worry about, including playback issues (if it applies), stem-hiding issues (on half notes), and you will be limited to only two

RE: [Finale] FinMac 2003 word extension plug-in bug?

2002-09-24 Thread Tobias Giesen
...every once in a while, the plug in skips a couple of spots throughout the score where a word extension should Can you send me a file where this happens? Cheers, Tobias ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Finale] TAN: real live users

2002-09-24 Thread Barbara Touburg
Me too, me too! [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: I use Finale at home - paid for it myself with real live money, nobody offered a penny to soften the blow. I can also confirm that as of this moment I am also alive, struggling, but alive. I also like Finale - it's better than the other programs

Re: [Finale] Lyrics Freakout

2002-09-24 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 6:45 PM -0500 9/23/02, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Christopher BJ Smith wrote: Hmm, doing the lyrics last might be an example of changing one's work habits to suit the computer. Often when I am composing to a given set of lyrics, I set the lyrics in the measures first, then the rhythms,

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2003 word extension plug-in bug?

2002-09-24 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 8:20 PM -0400 9/23/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ran the word extension plug-in in a 2003 file, on a Mac G4, OS 8.6. It works great...EXCEPT... ...every once in a while, the plug in skips a couple of spots throughout the score where a word extension should appear. Anyone else have this

[Finale] Re: #%@* page layout! Again!!

2002-09-24 Thread shirling neueweise
a very frustrated Keith in OZ asked the following Basic question: Why do we (I) have to set Landscape in TWO places? i have noticed that this varies according to my printing situation: i often print in different places on both pc and mac, usually from pdf files. print dialog boxes seem to

[Finale] Sibelius advice

2002-09-24 Thread Andrew Stiller
To all Sibelius mavens on the list: An editor who uses Sibelius is preparing a score for me, which he sends in the form of pdf files. In one movement of the piece (in a file by itself), the first violins are divided throughout and appear on two separate staves. Accordingly, I instructed the

Re: [Finale] Finale Don'ts - was Lyrics Freakout

2002-09-24 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 8:44 AM -0500 9/24/02, SCOTT GREEN wrote: Question for Mr. Smith and the list: Please, call me Christopher. Mr. Smith is my father. 8-) snip Same for voices, I learned here on the list never to touch them, and to use layers instead, even though it is one of the first topics in the

Re: [Finale] Another thing that's wrong with EDIT LYRICS

2002-09-24 Thread Philip Aker
On Monday, Sep 23, 2002, at 12:01 US/Pacific, David W. Fenton wrote: Why would anyone *not* normally use pageup/pagedown to navigate within a text box? Hello? Because that's not the convention on Macintosh. It's more efficient to use the Option-Arrow key combos. It's more efficient to

Re: [Finale] Another thing that's wrong with EDIT LYRICS

2002-09-24 Thread Philip Aker
On Monday, Sep 23, 2002, at 12:03 US/Pacific, David W. Fenton wrote: Not natively on Macintosh. Home, End, PageUp, and PageDown are DOCUMENT VIEWING keys which do not alter the selection or insertion point unless implemented otherwise by the application developer. Whatever the case is

[Finale] Re: #%@* page layout! Again!!

2002-09-24 Thread Linda Worsley
At 3:09 PM +0200 9/24/02, shirling neueweise wrote: a very frustrated Keith in OZ asked the following Basic question: Why do we (I) have to set Landscape in TWO places? Agreed. I don't mind DOING it, I am just frustrated when I forget to do the second setting and inadvertently print pages of

Re: [Finale] Editing ossia measures

2002-09-24 Thread Harold Owen
Mark Lew writes: Going off an a tangent, may I ask: What good reason is there to use the ossia tool instead of a separate staff? I haven't tried the ossia tool in at least three years. When I did try it, I remember concluding that it was very clumsy and many things I wanted to do were either

Re: [Finale] Another thing that's wrong with EDIT LYRICS

2002-09-24 Thread Phil Daley
At 09/24/2002 11:01 AM, Philip Aker wrote: The problem with this question is it's distinct lack of scope. Obviously, if the only thing you want to do is scroll a page and have the cursor follow then pressing one key will do. The efficiency becomes apparent when one has to do more than

Re: [Finale] Finale Don'ts - was Lyrics Freakout

2002-09-24 Thread Harold Owen
Scott Green writes: Question for Mr. Smith and the list: snip Same for voices, I learned here on the list never to touch them, and to use layers instead, even though it is one of the first topics in the tutorials./snip I'm a regular user of Finale, almost exclusively for church music

Re: [Finale] Finale Don'ts - was Lyrics Freakout

2002-09-24 Thread Jari Williamsson
Christopher BJ Smith writes: One big advantage of voices, however, is that accidentals are automatically offset correctly when two or more occur between voices on the same beat, but they aren't when they occur between layers, necessitating invoking the Special Tool, which I hate. How do

Re: [Finale] Another thing that's wrong with EDIT LYRICS

2002-09-24 Thread Philip Aker
On Tuesday, Sep 24, 2002, at 09:37 US/Pacific, Phil Daley wrote: One thing that occurs to me is that you might not be familiar with Macintosh keyboards and the use of the Command key in Macintosh applications. It is our main modifier key. In this respect, Windows users suffer because they

Re: [Finale] Report on Pops Concert

2002-09-24 Thread John Howell
mdl wrote: Refresh my memory on this: Let's suppose that I'm called upon to make an arrangement for small orchestra. I want to do the best I can, but I'm not a string player. I can sort of guess at the bowings, but bottom line I don't know enough to do a good job of it. For the sake of

RE: [Finale] Sibelius advice

2002-09-24 Thread Ronald M. Krentzman
What he will have to do is create two groups of staves: one where the Violins are divisis and one where they aren't, and then optimize away the group he doesn't need on a page by page basis. Pretty shabby for the best-selling music notation program in the world, eh? Ronald M. Krentzman RM

Re: [Finale] Report on Pops Concert

2002-09-24 Thread John Howell
David Bailey wrote: I'm not John (and I haven't played him on TV either) but I will add my 2-cents'-worth: Heck, I'VE never played me on TV, either. At least not recently. David's comments are not quite in line with those I just posted, but offer an interesting second opinion that I find

Re: [Finale] OT: ProTools 5.1.1 warning

2002-09-24 Thread JohnBlane
In a message dated 9/22/02 5:02:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I figure many Finale users may also be ProTools users, so I want to warn you about what I've discovered. I recently purchased the 5.1.1 upgrade and was horrified to discover that apparently it can only bounce a mix to disk in

Re: [Finale] OT: ProTools 5.1.1 warning

2002-09-24 Thread Robert Patterson
On Tue, 24 September 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far back as I can remember bouncing to disk has always been done in real time. On my new G4, bouncing a 5-min. stereo mix to disk takes 5 minutes in ProTools 5.1.1. Bouncing that same mix to disk in ProTools 4.3 takes about 30 seconds.

Re: [Finale] Lyrics Freakout

2002-09-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2002 at 20:38, Mark D. Lew wrote: At 3:48 PM 09/23/02, David W. Fenton wrote: No. I mean the AUTO UPDATE checkbox in the click assignment dialog. I assume it's intended to update the score in the background, but it is not reliable. It seems to work for the first syllable of a

Re: [Finale] Thoughts on Lyrics and other items, in general

2002-09-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 Sep 2002 at 6:02, David H. Bailey wrote: I think the biggest thing they could do to improve the documentation is to bring back (either in print or as a PDF file) the old Encyclopedia volume of the 3-volume documentation they had back with version 3. That allowed a user to look

[Finale] Re: Finale Don'ts - was Lyrics Freakout

2002-09-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 Sep 2002 at 8:44, SCOTT GREEN wrote: I transcribe/arrange/compose for church choral use a fair amount, and in doing SATB 2-staff notation, there are definitely some times when the flexibility afforded by voices/layers is required. May I ask why there seems to be such a prejudice in

Re: [Finale] Sibelius advice

2002-09-24 Thread Andrew Stiller
I think the problem is that Sibelius doesn't allow you to move individual brackets horizontally. So you can easily bracket the whole string section, but you can't then use a further identical bracket to bracket the three violin staves together; Sibelius would expect you to use a sub-bracket

RE: [Finale] Sibelius advice

2002-09-24 Thread Ronald M. Krentzman
Yes, page by page, especially if you have blank staves (such as keyboard parts) you don't want removed. Sorry if are offended by the potshot. Perhaps I'm a bit touchy after reading the Sibelius Chat room messages where Finale often (and unfairly) gets trashed in much harsher language that I

[Finale] Ossia tool

2002-09-24 Thread Brian Williams
Mark D. Lew asked: Going off an a tangent, may I ask: What good reason is there to use the ossia tool instead of a separate staff? I recently completed laying out a very graphically-intense method book designed to teach young students how to sight-read rhythms. The book's author wanted to

[Finale] Re: TAN: real live users

2002-09-24 Thread Matthew Hindson
Message: 24 From: One of the McKays [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Finale] TAN: real live users Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:23:26 +1000 I expressed myself poorly in my email, and have been misunderstood. What I meant was this: Other than on the net, I have never met

[Finale] Re: Finale Notepad - Brilliant Move by Coda

2002-09-24 Thread Matthew Hindson
Message: 25 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:59:11 +1000 To: Finale List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Rocky Road [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Finale] Finale Notepad - Brilliant Move by Coda I bought Finale for our High school's main recording computer DAW a couple of years ago and it basically sat

Re: [Finale] OT: ProTools 5.1.1 warning

2002-09-24 Thread JohnBlane
In a message dated 9/24/02 3:07:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On my new G4, bouncing a 5-min. stereo mix to disk takes 5 minutes in ProTools 5.1.1. Bouncing that same mix to disk in ProTools 4.3 takes about 30 seconds. In both cases, I'm using no inserts and bouncing to an interleaved

Re: [Finale] Editing ossia measures

2002-09-24 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 4:15 PM 09/24/02, Michael Cook wrote: I don't think the ossia tool has improved since the old days. Nonetheless, I still use it for doing exactly what it's designed to do: creating a one-measure ossia above a staff, in the margin or at the bottom of the page. [...] It may not be intuitive,

Re: [Finale] Lyrics Freakout

2002-09-24 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 1:30 AM 09/24/02, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: [answering me] But, as John Blane correctly pointed out, deleting in Adjust Syllables is safer than either. True, but I had not been aware this was an option until very recently, and have not had the time to gain any experience with it. It

[Finale] Voices vs Layers, accidental placement (was Re: Finale Don'ts ...)

2002-09-24 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 8:44 AM 09/24/02, SCOTT GREEN wrote: I'm a regular user of Finale, almost exclusively for church music purposes, since 3.7 or so. [...] I transcribe/arrange/compose for church choral use a fair amount, and in doing SATB 2-staff notation, there are definitely some times when the

Re: [Finale] Lyrics Freakout

2002-09-24 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 4:12 PM 09/24/02, David W. Fenton wrote: [answering me] I never use the Auto Update checkbox. I'm still not clear what it is that bothers you about click-assignment without Auto Update, but I don't really need to know. The program should be designed so that you can work with Type-in-Score

Re: [Finale] Thoughts on Lyrics and other items, in general

2002-09-24 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 6:02 AM 09/24/02, David H. Bailey wrote: I think the biggest thing they could do to improve the documentation is to bring back (either in print or as a PDF file) the old Encyclopedia volume of the 3-volume documentation they had back with version 3. Yes, yes! Bring back the old manual! The

[Finale] Minor/Public Domain

2002-09-24 Thread Crystal Premo
I am trying to find some songs in a minor key which are in the public domain for use with my class, particularly American folk music. Can anyone help? Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Chat with friends online,

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale Notepad - Brilliant Move by Coda

2002-09-24 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 7:57 AM 09/25/02, Matthew Hindson wrote: It also provides a great transition to the full version of Finale. I have had labs-full of girls in Year 7 (12 year olds) happily using the full version of Finale, which sort of puts paid to the Finale is too difficult argument. Well, I don't know

[Finale] Re: TAN: real live users

2002-09-24 Thread John Bell
At 07:46 am +1000 25.09.2002, Matthew Hindson wrote: For what it's worth, just about every (classical) composer who uses a notation package here in Australia uses Finale. There are a couple who use Sibelius (Nigel Westlake, James Humberstone, James Ledger) What mathematics package do they use?

Re: [Finale] TAN: real live users

2002-09-24 Thread leti
Is the operative part of your statement that you haven't met anyone IN PERSON who uses Finale at home? Well, I've never met in person anyone at all who uses Finale, at home, at work, or at school! I've been using it since '97 or '98 for personal use (hobby). Leti [EMAIL PROTECTED] One of the

Re: [Finale] Another thing that's wrong with EDIT LYRICS

2002-09-24 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 08:13 PM 9/24/02 -0700, somebody wrote: Shift, Control, Alt and AltGr (the Alt key on the right) And the Windows and Context Menu keys. Windows+Break, for example, brings up the system properties dialog. The Context Menu key, for now, just does Context Menus as far as I know. The F1-F12

[Finale] Public domain songs in a minor key

2002-09-24 Thread Crystal Premo
Thanks! I think I even have that one. All The Pretty Little Horses -- a beautiful song that will help preserve our American folk heritage. Anne McGinty I am trying to find some songs in a minor key which are in the public domain for use with my class, particularly American folk music. Can