RE: UK Guardian: Row over figures as crime drops 5%

2004-07-30 Thread Philip F. Lee
Well, Dr(?) Kleiman's following paragraph needs to be reconsidered by him: I must say I find the whole tone of this thread rather shocking on a scholarly list. Some people are married to the idea that gun controls cause crime. The UK instituted gun controls, and crime fell, according to the

RE: UK Guardian: Row over figures as crime drops 5%

2004-07-30 Thread RGriff9243
I am forwarding Don Kate's comments on Mark's post. Rich Subj: Re: Subj: RE: UK Guardian: Row over figures as crime drops 5% Date: 7/30/2004 2:00:00 PM Eastern Standard Time Though I am not a member of this group, I shall give you my 2 cents worth. 1. Victimization surveys were

Misleading use of statistics (was: UK Guardian: Row ...)

2004-07-30 Thread Jon Roland
Speaking as a mathematician and computer professional, who has done a fair amount of statistical analysis (and written computer programs to do it), I have to say that most of the statistics cited in these discussions are nearly meaningless, and are useless for guiding policy decisions. The ways

RE: UK Guardian: Row over figures as crime drops 5%

2004-07-30 Thread Guy Smith
I must say I find the whole tone of this thread rather shocking on a scholarly list. I decline to agree. Review and examination of crime measurement, especially in light of the widely diverging data from the same population, is quite beneficial and appropriate. Indeed, it is the divergence of