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released - thats how they stay.
Did Inprise exist when the files were originally released? That was changed
later already wasn't it?
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as nothing is done that actually blocks
other
DVCS systems working in parallel it's not a problem, but some git repo's are
simply impractical to use any other way :(
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/dvcs/vote
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- DBA with brain is required.
... Requires a downtime? Which can be substantial
Unless the configuration can be set up to allow updates applied following the
backup-restore cycle to be reapplied?
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the past, so nowadays it's a lot more reliable to have simple duplicate
machines
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the client and type in data. A one hour interview results in a few seconds of
data to save.
Oh for the days when I NEED a networked database ... Perhaps I'll start earning
some money as well :)
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a clean prefix that
can be searched for where symlinks ARE still supporting the old style simply
begs that the same prefix is maintained?
(long gone are the days of 8.3 filenames)
They are still present in FAT based storage ...
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And if you don't stop access to the database it gets screwed up :( Just been
hit
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On 03/04/13 12:12, Lester Caine wrote:
Kjell Rilbe wrote:
So, to be frank I'd say for many languages the problem is not if FB has
support for phonetic matching or not, but if a working phonetic matching
algorithm even exists (has been developed) for that language
maintaing compatibility with other working systems.
At least I no longer have any Interbase systems live these days :)
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as long as I can simply store UTF-8 data IN the
database so I've not taken much notice of the debate in this area, but I assume
there has been a similar one here? ;)
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U_CHARSET_IS_UTF8 flag is something that needs to be changed across many
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and I think Firebird is already
handling that somehow?
FB3 is something I'd like to dovetail into PHP6 cleanly even if I only need to
use Unicode for content.
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I needed comments from developers also
And developers don't read firebird-general?
What is more irritating is seeing the same stuff over and over again!
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On 03/25/14 19:01, Lester Caine wrote:
Dalton Calford wrote:
My quad core, 1.7 ghz 2 GB ram/32 GB storage phone, is more powerful than
our
scp systems which have been processing millions of customer calls in real
time
over the past 14 years.
Android also runs
or need the hassle of upgrading. What is so pressing that we need
this new interface anyway? What we already have is still better than
some of the alternatives and I'm still moving data off MySQL and other
platforms to Firebird ...
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Braces around single statements would have made this bug less likely.
Have made many bugs less likely ...
It's not 'dangerous' just a little more error prone.
My IDE code completion is set to add the braces on every language.
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for the DVCS local clones of different branches, but a
useful backup that avoids the need to create extra clones most of the time.
BC also has a nice three way mode when trying to merge local changes
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/reference_manuals/fblangref25-en/html/fblangref25-appx02-sqlcodes.html
and it's 'note' is a little concerning when the SQLCODE is used by many
third party interfaces. SO what are the current plans on this?
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does already have a short version of the SQLSTATE list in the oracle
error code array.
I think the starting point is probably the PHP driver to switch it to
returning SQLSTATE and perhaps gdscode ?
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ll it detract from the same functions working across all OS's ? That
M$ seems to break perfectly functional code at every compiler upgrade is
the agro, and is there no way to mitigate that by some 'bc fix' file?
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lly. Anybody remember the good old days when
one could hit 'sync' and see which blocks of code had been updated ...
one could then simply merge a block or individually scan the files of a
block you were also working on. Not something that is easy to do with
the current work flows forced on us by git?
ubmodules being a particular snapshot, rather than an active element
you can update.
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refers to the same link and does not require you to log in. Seems any
work by michkap has now been wiped? As a result one gets redirected to
the login screen.
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networked systems which could well have problems with that. None of my
users even know that it's Firebird providing the grunt, as the hack
attempts attest, so shouldn't the inter OS conversion problems be
handled in a different way
to put up with with. That SQL and other
programming languages are essentially 'english' is not real case for
only supporting 'english' in the 21st century?
But many programming languages and os's still can't cope with this
problem anyway so perhaps we have to live with that? :(
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projects that I'm working with, but having a clean base to build on is
essential? And as I understand it, having one 'release manager'
controlling the 'master' code branch is sensible?
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On 08/03/16 17:00, Dmitry Yemanov wrote:
> 08.03.2016 19:06, Dimitry Sibiryakov wrote:
>
>> 05.03.2016 22:28, Lester Caine wrote:
>>> It would be nice if we did not have re-order scripts from other
>>> databases so
>>>NOT NULL DEFAULT '30'
>
ough if necessary? What gets my goat
currently is the way my bank 'archives' the on-line data to bank
statements so one can't easily scroll back, but each of those 'blob's of
data could be made accessable with a different approach to the storage?
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sort is used. ADOdb we can ensure the 'datadict' or 'XML' scripts
produce the right order, but where initialise scripts use raw SQL it's a
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ion. And this is what Firebird does. The syntax in the SQL
> Standard is defined as:
Ta ... I knew there was a reason ... but I did my talks on inter
database operability at the conferences 10 years ago :)
But I doubt that MySQL and Postgresql will fix that now :(
ust which compiler, package handler and build
process should one be using :(
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LL then either the query should return that or contain the
logic to display it as something else, it should not be 'magic'
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function of a value in an existing record? The DEFAULT value should only
be used to replace a NULL value when a record is added ... full stop.
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On 24/03/17 21:42, Vlad Khorsun wrote:
> 24.03.2017 21:36, Lester Caine wrote:
>> On 24/03/17 17:57, Vlad Khorsun wrote:
>>>> What must be done is specified exactly. And we should suppose that in
>>>> all other aspects data stored in database should not be chan
be managed specifically, and leaving these as 'null' values
without the 'NOT NULL' constraint would perhaps be appropriate for this
business logic? Rather than some hidden mechanism that distinguishes
different versions of the same record?
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e type. Certainly if a default value is a time stamp
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properly manage the timezone
information and store the identity of the information used to create the
offset! Anything else should not be called 'time-zoned' ...
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ber of PHP software packages
when PHP introduced TZ and ran it from the browser offset!
The DATABASE needs to know what the rules are and it is simple to define
them as offsets, but personally I don't think that solves anything. It
just makes things worse. An offset timestamp is NOT usable timezone
e when large areas of the planet
still use daylight saving. If I move a meeting from March to April I
need to know the real timezone, a simple hour offset is no good at all.
It's the same old problem as the offset provided by a browser ...
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On 21/11/17 18:31, Mark Rotteveel wrote:
> On 2017-11-21 18:31, Lester Caine wrote:
>> On 21/11/17 16:42, Mark Rotteveel wrote:
>>>
>>> If you need that, you also need to store the actual timezone somewhere.
>>> PostgreSQL for example also uses an offset for t
ated when in reality
only one or two rules may have changed. The VERSION of TZ data that was
used to normalize the UTC timestamps is just as important as the
location of the event. The two go hand in hand ... and it's the version
data that is missing in the Oracle 'sol
as if TZ add new timezones how are the ones hard
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and TSDist would then provide patch
updates to that data without needing to retransmit the whole TZ database
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a number of historic abbreviations some of
which were inventions and should be ignored, and others are pre 1970 so
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10.05.2018 19:02, Adriano dos Santos Fernandes wrote:
On 10/05/2018 12:53, Lester Caine wrote:
...
And how will the version of TZ data be handled! This is a key element
that has screwed normalized data in the past, and some way
the 'international' timetable when local DST times
are changed at short notice ... TZDist is intended to prevent this
problem, but since there are no active sources we are still stuck with
the miss-match of data between different OS's and system.
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is reversed
and Australian abbreviations don't follow the same guide. Some tools
could not handle the -ve DST so it's implementation has been delayed,
but the plan is that the correct data will be provided by TZ at least in
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list entries!
The versioning only seems to affect the format of the iles, not the content.
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new ietf task group to address the Geolocate Extension and the Time Zone
Information Format bu these will be some time reaching an RFC stage :(
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well. As it currently stands it's no use to my applications so no reason
to even bother testing it ...
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On 12/05/18 00:32, Adriano dos Santos Fernandes wrote:
On 11/05/2018 19:48, Lester Caine wrote:
There is no information on those pages covering just what way the base
TZ data is processed. I think it is probably safe to assume that it is
unusable for providing timezone offsets prior to 1970
sets world wide, there are
many people working through paper archives just like P Chan has done for
Macau to correct the historic rule sets so once a system is in place
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is that they use a simple TIMESTAMP where
possible and add the timezone information outside of the stored data.
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On 11/05/18 16:07, Adriano dos Santos Fernandes wrote:
On 11/05/2018 11:55, Lester Caine wrote:
On 11/05/18 15:44, Adriano dos Santos Fernandes wrote:
If the machine clock goes back one hour because of a DST transition,
the current time overlaps and the same set of numbers are used twice
On 11/05/18 14:27, Adriano dos Santos Fernandes wrote:
On 11/05/2018 10:10, Lester Caine wrote:
Forgot to hit reply list ...
On 11/05/18 12:30, Adriano dos Santos Fernandes wrote:
On 11/05/2018 06:54, Lester Caine wrote:
I was having a proper look through the Oracle timezone documentation
of many of the key terms. It also fails to define
just how time zone names are created3 leaving that to the 'publisher'.
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12.05.2018 1:12, Lester Caine wrote:
On 11/05/18 20:37, Adriano dos Santos Fernandes wrote:
* PST is Pitcairn or Pacific, with the same offset, they are
considered different time zones
ICU data is derived from TZ data hosted by IANA
Standard Time but it would be nice if there was an easy way to confirm
that? Certainly I'm not seeing data in zoneinfo64.txt for Isle of man,
Jersey, Guernsey or Belfast so I suspect they are not valid pre-1970 :(
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creates what is needed on the fly. And for the majority of non-dst
timezones the rule is the transition ...
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they put TZIF into a formal
RFC standard. These standards are not ideal but do provide a common set
of rules such as names of fields ...
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On 05/06/18 09:39, Mark Rotteveel wrote:
On 5-6-2018 10:16, Lester Caine wrote:
On 05/06/18 08:50, Mark Rotteveel wrote:
That naming doesn't make much sense to me, and I actually found the
RULE_START and RULE_END naming pretty clear and self-explanatory.
Except that it's not the rule itself
be capable of the same level of accuracy.
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engines ... and adding the geolocation element even
helps get the calendar right. The fact that we use 'day.time' natively
already makes Firebird ideal for sorting a lot more than just timezone!
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one set of rules so you can select the right version when processing and
upgrade to a new version ... If you update the table of transitions
before establishing if any data needs amending you don't know what the
original data was ...
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need 'next' outside of Firebird. There are some places where 'between'
works and others where 'gt/lt' IS the correct process in order to remove
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local time indication. I
don't want CURRENT_TIME to be loaded with a timezone.
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On 02/05/18 20:22, Adriano dos Santos Fernandes wrote:
On 02/05/2018 13:16, Lester Caine wrote:
On 29/04/18 21:47, Adriano dos Santos Fernandes wrote:
But standard CURRENT_TIME and CURRENT_TIMESTAMP works different than
Firebird, as they returns the "WITH TIME ZONE" types.
if required then convert TO this
format. This SHOULD be the default and anything else converts from it.
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agree on just what
text to use. The only thing that is consistent is Time OFFSET which uses
the '-' sign anyway as a flag.
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On 28-2-2018 10:54, Lester Caine wrote:
Technically, the SQL Standard knows only one format, and that is
(slightly simplified):
-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS.FF..+/-TZH:TZHM
While this is the 'standard' it has the same fundamental flaw that
it's use
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On 26/10/2018 16:18, Adriano dos Santos Fernandes wrote:
On 26/10/2018 12:01, Lester Caine wrote:
On 26/10/2018 14:53, Dmitry Yemanov wrote:
Yes, it gonna be merged from PR soon.
What is the status for time zone support? Is it going to be
included in
Firebird 4 or not?
But the very
AMP became the standard some time back but there will still be
pockets of users who split it ... but certainly LOCAL_TIMESTAMP makes a
lot more sense as a result :(
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18i was
released on the 31st December, but there is no way of ensuring that the
data you are using currently will match that which the OS is working
with tomorrow! This method of working with timezones was not thought out
at all and is why FB4 timezone handling is badly broken!
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Lester Ca
m at times when
one changes something working out just which bit HAS broken ... thg is
also up and working again after rolling back to an older build that
matches the available hggit ... so now to add some new code! )
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referenced and in
the absence of anything else this has to be the server. That is until
such time as we can rely on the local source being able to reliably
identify it's provenance. The VERSION of TZ data being used is an
essential element that currently is a complete gamble ...
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Lester Cai
if the
TZ data changes between storing the offset time and reading it.
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more than that so why should I
have to do any more than getting a single user working?
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appearing there is a further minefield on the horizon with
timezone management hand grenades on the side! So just where DO I start
trying to get back to a stable platform?
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just to get
something working for now but all I've been doing for the last week is
trying to get a stable development platform again ... however just had
another report of a problem on a client website so need to fix that ...
sites that have run for years without any problems.
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Lester Caine
.x and FB3 systems in parallel? Certainly
I've had to strip everything but Legacy_Auth and Legacy_UserManager in
order to get my PHP setups to run with FB3! So is FB4 any different?
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that simply making it natively
work with second accuracy rather than minute would have been a step in
the right direction? At least that would be more compatible with some of
the other approaches and make cross working a little easier.
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