Re: [Fis] info meaning

2007-10-12 Thread bob logan
Loet et al - I guess I am not convinced that information and entropy are connected. Entropy in physics has the dimension of energy divided by temperature. Shannon entropy has no physical dimension - it is missing the Boltzman constant. Therefore how can entropy and shannon entropy be

Re: [Fis] info meaning

2007-10-12 Thread Guy A Hoelzer
Bob, If the notions of Entropy and Shannon Information are alternative approaches to characterize the same phenomenon in Nature, then the ways they have been modeled would not necessarily reveal an underlying and fundamental commonality. I think that many of us suspect that this is the case and

Re: [Fis] info meaning

2007-10-12 Thread John Collier
At 09:01 PM 12/10/2007, bob logan wrote: Loet et al - I guess I am not convinced that information and entropy are connected. Entropy in physics has the dimension of energy divided by temperature. Shannon entropy has no physical dimension - it is missing the Boltzman constant. Therefore how can

Re: [Fis] info meaning

2007-10-12 Thread bob logan
hi stan - I think we need to agree to disagree - for me final cause involves purpose or intention. A gas that expands into a larger volume has no intention or purpose and therefore one cannot talk about final cause because there is no agent - I did enjoy your argument but I just cannot buy

[Fis] Info, meaning narrative

2007-10-12 Thread Ted Goranson
Message forwarded from Beth Cardier. I understand It should have appeared a few days ago but for subscription difficulties. Her email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Ted +++ Dear FIS colleagues, My name is Beth Cardier, and I am currently researching narrative as information at Melbourne University.