Alex
I pointed someone to this on Flashcoders:
http://www.mail-archive.com/flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com/msg58770.html
Do you have any new views on where Flash is heading?
John
On 20/12/2012 05:50, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Well, there are several pieces
new views on where Flash is heading?
John
On 20/12/2012 05:50, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives Well, there are several pieces.
ActionScript is a language. It is really only the dozen classes or so in the
“top-level” in the ASDoc. String, int, RegEx, Array
for the end of term.
It's a great thing that Adobe have continued to keep you involved with
the project.
John
On 21/12/2012 21:43, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Actually, I’m not just hanging in there, I’m still paid by Adobe to
spend all of my time on Flex. My
my delayed posts but I have been teaching three days a week and busy
winding up the apprentices assessments for the end of term.
It's a great thing that Adobe have continued to keep you involved with the
project.
John
On 21/12/2012 21:43, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex
/2012 05:50, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Well, there are several pieces. ActionScript is a language. It is
really only the dozen classes or so in the “top-level” in the ASDoc.
String, int, RegEx, Array, Vector, a few functions like unescape,
etc, plus a bunch
:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives Well, there are several pieces.
ActionScript is a language. It is really only the dozen classes or so in the
“top-level” in the ASDoc. String, int, RegEx, Array, Vector, a few functions
like unescape, etc, plus a bunch of keywords and stuff like “var
On 21/12/2012 18:52, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
To not allow existing SWFs to play where they currently play would
“break the web” and Adobe has no interest in doing that.
The next generation of AS is supposed to be easy to migrate to if you
just want to get
...@easypeasy.co.uk wrote:
On 21/12/2012 18:52, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
To not allow existing SWFs to play where they currently play would “break the
web” and Adobe has no interest in doing that.
The next generation of AS is supposed to be easy to migrate
05:38, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Things get lost in translation, but one goal of the parallel
frameworks is to not leverage things that get lost in translation.
Otherwise, since JS and AS are ECMA-based, the translation works
pretty well.
Keep in mind
it is
doing similar work?
John
On 18/12/2012 05:38, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives Things get lost in translation, but
one goal of the parallel frameworks is to not leverage things that get lost in
translation. Otherwise, since JS and AS are ECMA-based
On 17/12/2012 05:12, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Adobe has spent the year donating the Flex SDK and Falcon compilers to
the Apache Software Foundation. While Adobe has a small set of people
contributing to Flex in Apache and a team that shipped Flash Builder
4.7
involved with the
Apache Flex project.
On 12/17/12 2:16 AM, John McCormack j...@easypeasy.co.uk wrote:
On 17/12/2012 05:12, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives Adobe has spent the year donating the
Flex SDK and Falcon compilers to the Apache Software Foundation
Adobe’s focus for FlashBuilder is on building ActionScript gaming and
premium video projects that run on the Flash player.
I think many people assumed that the driver was legacy in-browser flex
apps, plus AIR apps for mobile devices. That the older, legacy support had
been farmed out to
for the next three to five years?
John
On 17/12/2012 16:31, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Adobe has no plans that I know of to get ActionScript to work with
HTML5 in the same way that Google is proposing Dart as an alternative
to JavaScript.
The Apache Flex project
I’m not sure I understood. These roadmaps are nearly a year old. Folks still
thought that Flash Builder was being developed for Rich Internet Apps? I guess
we failed again to get the message out.
DesignView, as was discussed several times on the Apache Flex mailing list, is
tied to specific
for the next three
to five years?
John
On 17/12/2012 16:31, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives Adobe has no plans that I know of to
get ActionScript to work with HTML5 in the same way that Google is proposing
Dart as an alternative to JavaScript.
The Apache Flex
Hello
I recently found an interesting product : http://cappuccino.org which
seems to be technically a good alternative for flex (if needed). I have
not investigated at all, just had a look.
Of course, if even Adobe's flex is not reliable from the perennity point
of view, there is no reason why
Real alternative?... Nothing. There's only Flex ;)
El sábado, 15 de diciembre de 2012, Sal escribió:
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--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com');, Sal sal.celli@... wrote:
hi,
as i can sadly see from the message history bottom
Adobe has spent the year donating the Flex SDK and Falcon compilers to the
Apache Software Foundation. While Adobe has a small set of people contributing
to Flex in Apache and a team that shipped Flash Builder 4.7 and is working on
subsequent Flash Builder release, Adobe is not leading the
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Sal sal.celli@... wrote:
hi,
as i can sadly see from the message history bottom grid, many programmers
are leaving flex.
So this thread is to ask you all, if you have already found a valid
alternative to flex for RIA development.
After almost 1
Real alternative?... Nothing. There's only Flex ;)
El sábado, 15 de diciembre de 2012, Sal escribió:
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--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com');, Sal sal.celli@... wrote:
hi,
as i can sadly see from the message history bottom
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Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:37 PM
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Whoaaa! Just re-read that, and if there is any one statement in all this thread
that readers should pay attention to, it is this statement from Alex (quoted
below).
If FlashBuilder is going
:* Monday, January 16, 2012 9:20 AM
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*Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
** **
Good luck on convincing IT departments in large corporations who are
generally Microsoft shops.
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Guy Morton guy@... wrote
Out of interest... why does ZK marketing material never mention HTML5? They
used to say direct RIA though I can't see that on the site anymore. I
thought HTML5 was the new buzzword and that it would make sense to state it
at least 3 times on every page?
John
2012/1/17 Ron G rgri...@sinclairoil.com
I have said this before, look at google closure. you code in javascript,
annotate your types a compiler which gives you real errors, it has a
component library with a well defined livecycle. it is what gmail, docs,
goog+ is written in.
it is really really good.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 8:58 AM,
Yes, that is the case with my company as well (300,000+ employees) but there is
procedures for getting things done. We have all kinds of in house built
applications and a special installer application for installing them on users
machines.
As I said, the AIR apps are only used for building IOS
Merrill
Instructional Technology Architect II
Bank of America Global Learning
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Of valdhor
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 9:20 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex
Bank of America Global Learning
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Of John Fletcher
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:59 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Out of interest
Of John Fletcher
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:59 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Out of interest... why does ZK marketing material never mention HTML5? They
used to say direct RIA though I can't see that on the site anymore. I
: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Out of interest... why does ZK marketing material never mention HTML5? They
used to say direct RIA though I can't see that on the site anymore. I
thought HTML5 was the new buzzword and that it would make sense to state it
at least 3 times on every
Good luck on convincing IT departments in large corporations who are generally
Microsoft shops.
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Guy Morton guy@... wrote:
A thought on cross-browser hell
If every web developer in the world today decided to drop support for IE,
everyone would go get
All of that seems inordinately complex compared to just coding in ActionScript.
I still believe there is a future with Flex (I am planning for 3-5 years).
Adobe is still developing Flash for the desktop.
Flex is just an ActionScript Framework (Or library if you like to think of it
that way) of
It is not just that...
I remember in the 90's there was IE and Netscape... then came Opera... and
then Gekko/Firefox replaced Netscape... now, there is Chrome.
There are so many browsers, because each one of then thinks that he is the
best for some kind of need of the user.
that means: each one
From: Rogerio Gonzalez rogerio.gonza...@gmail.com
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
It is not just that...
I remember in the 90's there was IE and Netscape... then came Opera... and then
Gekko/Firefox
From what I've seen, in Zkoss there's a strong coupling between the server and
the client. I might be wrong, but when I tested the demos it looked to me that
any user interaction (ex: clicking on a button) ends up in a call to the
server. I'm not a big fan of this approach...
I think you might
Hi Joaoak:
You can make the coupling as tight or loose as you want. Each UI object can
have a client side widget that is primarily the appearance, and a server side
component that should contain the more complex logic. So, you can hide as much
as want by placing it in the server side component
The problem with that approach is a lot of people are behind corporate
firewalls where they also do not have local admin rights and are therefore not
allowed to install anything on their desktop. If they want it, they have to
call the network guys and get authorization and then have them
For me it's easy...there's no replacement for Flex...so... ;)
2012/1/15 Ron G rgri...@sinclairoil.com
**
Michael,
In my deliberations as to whether to stick with Flex or not, I weighed the
likelihood of a successful open-source Flex community. And, I must say I am
not as hopeful as you.
Valdhor:
You are right about that. That is precisely why we went with Flex originally
(it insulated us from X-Browser issues). But, since we can't count on that
lasting, and even Adobe is telling developers to plan on moving to HTML5, it
seems like they're pushing us back into x-browser
Whoaaa! Just re-read that, and if there is any one statement in all this thread
that readers should pay attention to, it is this statement from Alex (quoted
below).
If FlashBuilder is going to be geared toward gaming in Flash, I wonder which
IDE Flex developers are planning on using for the
Michael,
In my deliberations as to whether to stick with Flex or not, I weighed the
likelihood of a successful open-source Flex community. And, I must say I am not
as hopeful as you. For one, we already seen how people failed to find interest
in Open Laszlo. Second, the best and brightest
I work on a very large flex application that runs within a web page. Most of
the functionality is built within the flex application, but it does
communicate to the server to get data and post results.
I'm in the process of moving all this to a combination of restful web services
written in
] On Behalf
Of Mark
Sent: 13 January 2012 13:26
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
I work on a very large flex application that runs within a web page. Most of
the functionality is built within the flex application, but it does communicate
to the server
] Re: Flex alternatives
Yes, we have also abandoned Flex in favor of ZKoss. Since we are already a
Java shop, on the server side, it seemed logical to use a Java based
framework on the client-side.
The thing I really like about ZK or ZKoss is that it has equivalent
components to Flex
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ron G
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:39 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Hi James,
I certainly respect the decision of those who are sticking with Flex, but I
would suggest that developers do so
:* [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
** **
Hi James,
I certainly respect the decision of those who are sticking with Flex, but
I would suggest that developers do so with the recognition that they may be
developing with a technology that isn't going to be around that long.
I could write
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Behalf Of *Ron G
*Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:39 AM
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*Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
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Hi James,
I certainly respect the decision
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Hi James,
I certainly respect the decision of those who are sticking with Flex, but I
would suggest that developers do so with the recognition that they may be
developing with a technology that isn't going to be around that long.
I could write
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.comflexcoders@yahoogroups.com]
*On Behalf Of *Ron G
*Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:39 AM
*To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Hi James,
I certainly respect the decision of those who are sticking with Flex, but
I would
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Behalf Of *Ron G
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:15 PM
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*Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
** **
Yes, we have also abandoned Flex in favor of ZKoss. Since we are already a
Java
: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Yes, we have also abandoned Flex in favor of ZKoss. Since we are already a Java
shop, on the server side, it seemed logical to use a Java based framework on
the client-side.
The thing I really like about ZK or ZKoss is that it has equivalent components
to Flex
Learning
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Behalf Of Ron G
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:15 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Yes, we have also abandoned Flex
. Not looking elsewhere.
** **
*Michael*
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Behalf Of *Ron G
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Behalf Of *Ron G
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Yes, we have also abandoned Flex in favor of ZKoss. Since we
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Of Ron G
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:13 PM
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Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Hi Jason,
The only configuration is that I had to drop several of their jar files into
the endorsed directory of Tomcat.
Ron
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Flex is an awesome product.Period. Atleast until version 3.
Then they bloated it. The new spark component makes it easy to do the skinning
but it costs a big deal
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Yes, we have
So, I think we have a similar vision for where things are going with respect to
Adobe supporting HTML5 for the enterprise. But, I fail to see why Flex and
FlashBuilder would have any part of that. Why not just fall back to your
excellent product, Dreamweaver, and enhance it as the IDE for
Well Ron, I don't agree with you.
There is a difference between a reality and our own perception.
I have seen a huge demand for flex based solution in
Education (hmh, piersons)
Finance (j p morgon, boa)
Healthcare (hospira)
Entertainment (directv)
Ecommerce ( eBay ) and the list goes on and on...
, 12 January 2012, 16:19
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
I’ve never used COBOL, but I haven’t heard anyone say they really liked working
in with it. That’s not true for Flex so even if it gets marginalized because
it always remains locked to ActionScript and FlashPlayer
Rishi Tandon,
Seems to me, from your signature, that you have an invested interest in Flex
continuing. I would say that makes it difficult for you to see the difference
between a reality and our own perception, as you so aptly put it.
The least Adobe could do, after kicking Flex out to go live
Flex and FlashBuilder are not part of Adobe’s HTML strategy per-se.
FlashBuilder is being directed towards Gaming in Flash, Flex is being donated
to the community. It is the community that has lots of investment in the
Flex/AS/FP stack that are looking reworking the Flex paradigm to output to
I have used Flex since 2006, and I have used ZKoss within the last year. I can
tell you that the learning curve of ZKoss is much lower than Flex, and the
development cycle is even faster. In your spare time, if you're curious like me
and like to check out different technologies, give it a
Yes, we have also abandoned Flex in favor of ZKoss. Since we are already a Java
shop, on the server side, it seemed logical to use a Java based framework on
the client-side.
The thing I really like about ZK or ZKoss is that it has equivalent components
to Flex. In fact, it actually has more
Staying with Flex. Not looking elsewhere.
Michael
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Of Ron G
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:15 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Yes, we have also abandoned Flex
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** **
Yes, we have also abandoned Flex in favor of ZKoss. Since we are already a
Java shop, on the server side, it seemed logical to use a Java based
framework on the client-side.
The thing I really like about ZK
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