RE: [Flightgear-devel] Report on my Scenery Investigation

2002-05-28 Thread Kaiser Georg
Sounds interesting, which photo scenery do you work on? (I haven't read the postings for a while) thanks georg -Original Message- From: Colin Rose [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Dienstag, 28. Mai 2002 02:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Report on my

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rudder inverted again in yasim

2002-05-28 Thread David Megginson
Andy Ross writes: I'm pretty sure that under the current YASim configurations, a positive /controls/rudder input from the joystick will produce a /surface-positions/rudder-norm of the same sign. That seems rational to me, so I hereby hand the bug off to the JSB folks to fix or further

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Rudder inverted again in yasim

2002-05-28 Thread Jon Berndt
I agree -- JSBSim is reporting a positive normalized position for a negative input (and vice-versa). Obviously, we've made allowances for that in the model animations, but it's inconsistent with the behaviour elsewhere. I'll look into fixing it. Before making changes, can you elaborate on

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rudder inverted again in yasim

2002-05-28 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I agree -- JSBSim is reporting a positive normalized position for a negative input (and vice-versa). Obviously, we've made allowances for that in the model animations, but it's inconsistent with the behaviour elsewhere. I'll look into fixing it.

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Rudder inverted again in yasim

2002-05-28 Thread Jon Berndt
No elaboration needed. Thanks David. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jon Berndt Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 6:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] Rudder inverted again in yasim I agree -- JSBSim is

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Rudder inverted again in yasim

2002-05-28 Thread David Megginson
Jon Berndt writes: I agree -- JSBSim is reporting a positive normalized position for a negative input (and vice-versa). Obviously, we've made allowances for that in the model animations, but it's inconsistent with the behaviour elsewhere. I'll look into fixing it. Before

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Rudder inverted again in yasim

2002-05-28 Thread Jon Berndt
OK. But I am not sure I agree with FlightGear's convention. The rudder Z axis is downward. A positive deflection (by the right hand rule) rotates (should rotate) the trailing edge left. The elevator deflection follows the same convention, right hand rule about the Y axis hinge line. Aileron is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim and 2.95.2 math (was: Rudder inverted again in yasim)

2002-05-28 Thread Jim Wilson
Andy Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: In other news, I think I've got a 2.95.2 build that fails the same way yours does. I'm still at the yup, it don't work stage, though. No analysis yet. Interesting. Also a few months ago we discussed a power problem at altitude with the 747. Around 25000

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim and 2.95.2 math (was: Rudder inverted againin yasim)

2002-05-28 Thread Alex Perry
Andy: One thing to consider is whether the autopilot is optimizing for the correct solution to the equations. There are always two solutions, one slower with higher drag and the other faster with lower drag. Depending on altitude and power, one of these can be below stall speed. Near the

[Flightgear-devel] Re: ..why C++ and not C?

2002-05-28 Thread joe mangan
On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 01:57:09 -0500 Jonathan Polleywrote When you state your concerns about the FAA, I assume that you are talking about avionics software, probably DO-178B level C or higher.The vast majority of modern (1987+) avionics software that I have seen is in Ada, largely due to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: ..why C++ and not C?

2002-05-28 Thread Alex Perry
On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 01:57:09 -0500 Jonathan Polley wrote When you state your concerns about the FAA, I assume that you are talking about avionics software, probably DO-178B level C or higher. FlightGear is a combination of an aircraft FDM, a GIS database and a 3D GUI. When placed into an

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim and 2.95.2 math (was: Rudder inverted again in yasim)

2002-05-28 Thread Jim Wilson
Alex Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Andy: One thing to consider is whether the autopilot is optimizing for the correct solution to the equations. Basically the autopilot just targets the max climb/descent rate until desired altitude is reached. It needs work. The current autopilot

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim and 2.95.2 math (was: Rudder invertedagain in yasim)

2002-05-28 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: The pitch angle seems to be way too high when at altitude (not climbing) [...] But now I'm thinking that the real issue has to do with the lift calculation. [...] The altitude starts to decrease smoothly as IAS passes below 300knots...not in a stall fashion. This is

[Flightgear-devel] [OT] Virus with humor

2002-05-28 Thread Christian Mayer
Just got that Virus. Look at the From: and it's text... CU, Christian Message-ID: md5:85B9914316D8E05B3319FC316B764F4E Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from dartagnan.telusquebec.com ([142.169.1.123]) by

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rudder inverted again in yasim

2002-05-28 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Tue, 28 May 2002 10:04:12 -0700 Andy Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hopefully I got the conventions right. The point being not that YASim's coordinate system is inherently better**, but that making the joystick inputs match the coordinate sense is possible with a right handed coordinate

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim and 2.95.2 math (was: Rudder inverted again in yasim)

2002-05-28 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson writes: The pitch angle seems to be way too high when at altitude (not climbing), which of course would cause a decrease of airspeed and power. The altitude starts to decrease smoothly as IAS passes below 300knots...not in a stall fashion. This is running with the default

[Flightgear-devel] [SITE] The Base of Aircraft Data (BADA)

2002-05-28 Thread David Megginson
[Curt: this deserves a link on the FlightGear site.] [Jon: ditto for the JSBSim site.] I think that this could be a treasure trove of aero data from the European Organization for the Safety of Air Navigation. Here's the abstract from the BADA manual for version 2.6: The Base of Aircraft

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim and 2.95.2 math (was: Rudder invertedagain in yasim)

2002-05-28 Thread Tony Peden
On Tue, 2002-05-28 at 09:21, Jim Wilson wrote: Alex Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Andy: One thing to consider is whether the autopilot is optimizing for the correct solution to the equations. Basically the autopilot just targets the max climb/descent rate until desired altitude

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Virus with humor

2002-05-28 Thread Martin Henne
On Dienstag, 28. Mai 2002 19:22 Christian Mayer wrote: Just got that Virus. Look at the From: and it's text... It's the good ole klez worm. Gode save Linux ;) Martin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.martinhenne.de ___ Flightgear-devel mailing

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: ..why C++ and not C?

2002-05-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 28 May 2002 09:06:35 -0700 (PDT), Alex Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 01:57:09 -0500 Jonathan Polley wrote When you state your concerns about the FAA, I assume that you are talking about avionics software, probably DO-178B level

[Flightgear-devel] Re: channel_options_list - starting FGFS with HTTPd-Server

2002-05-28 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Curtis L. Olson -- Tuesday 28 May 2002 23:35: Melchior FRANZ writes: * Curtis L. Olson -- Tuesday 28 May 2002 23:22: Melchior FRANZ writes: $ w3m http://localhost:5500/ fgfs --jpg-httpd=5501 I don't believe a default is specified or defined, you can use which ever ports

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: channel_options_list - starting FGFS with HTTPd-Server

2002-05-28 Thread Kaiser Georg
I'm currently working on a web-based TreeViewer for the Property-Tree which loads nodes and values dynamically. Hope that anybody (except me) has use for it ... georg -Original Message- From: Melchior FRANZ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Dienstag, 28. Mai 2002 23:42 To: [EMAIL

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: ..why C++ and not C?

2002-05-28 Thread Jonathan Polley
On Monday, May 27, 2002, at 04:43 PM, joe mangan wrote:   Standards for application to general aviation aircraft have been revised as to reduce the burden for certification of specific classes of avionics equipment.   AC 29-1309   An alternative would be to consider an effort to certify

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim and 2.95.2 math (was: Rudder inverted again in yasim)

2002-05-28 Thread Jim Wilson
Tony Peden [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Just something to file away ... big jets should have a climb mode in which the power is regulated to max climb by the autothrottles and speed is held with the pitch control. Filed it away. But not sure of the purpose of this mode. It'd seem that pitch

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim and 2.95.2 math (was: Rudder inverted againin yasim)

2002-05-28 Thread Alex Perry
Just something to file away ... big jets should have a climb mode in which the power is regulated to max climb by the autothrottles and speed is held with the pitch control. Filed it away. But not sure of the purpose of this mode. It's more efficient as follows ... The autothrottle

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim and 2.95.2 math (was: Rudder invertedagain in yasim)

2002-05-28 Thread Tony Peden
On Tue, 2002-05-28 at 19:30, Jim Wilson wrote: Tony Peden [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Just something to file away ... big jets should have a climb mode in which the power is regulated to max climb by the autothrottles and speed is held with the pitch control. Filed it away. But not sure

[Flightgear-devel] Recent observations

2002-05-28 Thread Cameron Moore
I finally had some time to play around with FG the other day (first time in a few weeks), so let me preface all of this with the fact that I'm not running the latest CVS. Mine is from May 18th. I don't have time to update and rebuild everything right now, so sorry. Now, on with the bugs...