Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim flaps flap

2002-06-06 Thread Tony Peden
On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 20:54, Andy Ross wrote: Tony Peden wrote: Induced drag is a function of the vortices surrounding the wing. Those vortices vary in strength with lift, not angle of attack. Not so. The induced drag of an aircraft in high-speed cruise is much lower than an aircraft in

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Crash on Reset function.

2002-06-06 Thread David Megginson
Norman Vine writes: Hopefully once we get 'reset' working again developers will test 'reset' before submitting their changes in the future so we don't repeat this quagmire It's a little more complicated than that. The original reset was a simple kludge that worked fine for a simple

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim and the atmosphere

2002-06-06 Thread Derrell . Lipman
Andy Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Megginson wrote: 1. Sea level 35degC, 28.5inHG 2. Sea level -25degC, 32inHG The density altitude difference (a butchered term -- the density altitude that corresponds to the same ratio vs. standard sea level conditions) that this corresponds to

[Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread Alex Perry
From: Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, let's sort the items and add a few: - Old-fashioned overall appearance Yep. Our photographic fidelity is deprecated wrt functional representation. 2001-era flight simulators have inherited a lot of the visual artistry of the 3D combat video games,

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Crash on Reset function.

2002-06-06 Thread Norman Vine
David Megginson writes: Norman Vine writes: Hopefully once we get 'reset' working again developers will test 'reset' before submitting their changes in the future so we don't repeat this quagmire It's a little more complicated than that. The original reset was a simple kludge that

[Flightgear-devel] FlightXpress article - SuSE 8.0 is an old version

2002-06-06 Thread Alex Perry
I just went round to the SuSE booth and looked on a 8.0 demo computer. The packaged version is 0.7.8 which we released last summer, a year ago. Although they were mildly embarrassed when I pointed this out to them, I still think it would be worth submitting a formal request that the future SuSE

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread Olivier Grisel
On Sat, 01 Jun 2002 14:24:45 -0700 Alex Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meanwhile, it would be a nice upgrade to have a menu item that brings up a dialog which contains _every_ command line parameter that is not otherwise represented in the existing set of run-time accessible menu items. The

RE: [Flightgear-devel] FlightXpress article - SuSE 8.0 is an old version

2002-06-06 Thread Michael Basler
Alex, I just went round to the SuSE booth and looked on a 8.0 demo computer. The packaged version is 0.7.8 which we released last summer, a year ago. Although they were mildly embarrassed when I pointed this out to them, Even if the article still contains some truth, I might write a letter

re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread David Megginson
Alex Perry writes: - not to be compared with state-of-the art simulators This can be a good thing, for all their associated features that we hate. When I started my flying lessons, and the JSBSim and YASim 172's were both having problems, I decided not to be prejudiced and to go back

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread David Megginson
Arnt Karlsen writes: ..IMHO, we should have more oddball EAA planes than spam cans and airliners. BlomVoss 141, Me 323, Me 163, and the Horten Vings, Howard Hughes Spruce Goose, Van's RV3-4-5-6-7-8-9, Rutans Vari-Viggen, VariEze, Defiant, Lancair IV, Colomban Cri-Cri, Zenair CH-801,

[Flightgear-devel] Re: pthread error (valgrind)

2002-06-06 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Andy Ross -- Thursday 06 June 2002 00:08: Melchior FRANZ wrote: valgrind reports this bug: pthread_mutex_destroy: mutex is still in use at 0x40523AB4: pthread_error (vg_libpthread.c:229) by 0x405249B5: __pthread_mutex_destroy (vg_libpthread.c:825) by

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Crash on Reset function.

2002-06-06 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Curt has mentioned that there are ordering dependencies, especially around rendering, that we have to be careful not to break. We should be able to get those automatically, as long as we add the subsystems to the vector in the right order. The

[Flightgear-devel] Solaris Compile of FG 0.7.10

2002-06-06 Thread Salman Sheikh
Hello, I almost have Flight-Gear compiled for solaris. I am down to the following error: gmake[1]: Entering directory `/folks/salman/FlightGear-0.7.10/src/Main' c++ -DPKGLIBDIR=\/opt/sis/lib/FlightGear\ -g -O2 -L/opt/sis/lib -L/usr/local/lib -o fgfs main.o fg_commands.o fg_init.o fg_io.o

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: - There is a severe proplem going to first notch of flaps. Extreme pitch up. You need *full* down trip to fly level with any flaps at all. Lowering flaps does cause a very nasty pitching moment during low-speed maneuvers on a C172 (i.e. approach, when you're

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:48:49 -0400 David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lowering flaps does cause a very nasty pitching moment during low-speed maneuvers on a C172 (i.e. approach, when you're too close to stall-speed and too close to the ground already) -- not as nasty as what you describe,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Solaris Compile of FG 0.7.10

2002-06-06 Thread Erik Hofman
Salman Sheikh wrote: Hello, I almost have Flight-Gear compiled for solaris. I am down to the following error: ../../src/FDM/libFlight.a(LaRCsimIC.o): In function `LaRCsimIC::solve(double *, double)': /folks/salman/FlightGear-0.7.10/src/FDM/LaRCsimIC.cxx:382: undefined reference to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Solaris Compile of FG 0.7.10

2002-06-06 Thread Erik Hofman
Salman Sheikh wrote: ../../src/FDM/libFlight.a(LaRCsimIC.o): In function `LaRCsimIC::solve(double *, double)': /folks/salman/FlightGear-0.7.10/src/FDM/LaRCsimIC.cxx:382: undefined reference to `LLC150' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status gmake[1]: *** [fgfs] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread Erik Hofman
Jon S Berndt wrote: On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:48:49 -0400 David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lowering flaps does cause a very nasty pitching moment during low-speed maneuvers on a C172 (i.e. approach, when you're too close to stall-speed and too close to the ground already) -- not as

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread Gene Buckle
Tony: Should we make it nastier? Is there a human factors scale anywhere that has Nasty on it? :-) Hmm, nasty enough? Eff = (16*h / b)*(16*h / b) Oe = Eff*Eff/(1 + Eff*Eff)(where 0 = Oe = 1) D = q_infinite * S * (CDo + 0e * ( (CL*CL)/(pi * e * A * r) ) ) D: decrease in drag

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread David Megginson
Jon S Berndt writes: Should we make it nastier? Is there a human factors scale anywhere that has Nasty on it? :-) One American Nasty unit =~ 0.789 Metric Paris Cabbies. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread Martin Spott
For what it's worth, I'm involved in a side project that is using FlightGear + a commercial C172 flight dynamics model + cockpit hardware to hopefully achieve an FAA (and JAR) certified sim by late summer / early fall. The commercial fdm will run as a seperate program [...] Hmm, _this_

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightXpress article - SuSE 8.0 is an old version

2002-06-06 Thread Martin Spott
I just went round to the SuSE booth and looked on a 8.0 demo computer. The packaged version is 0.7.8 which we released last summer, a year ago. Ooops, I was quite shure they packaged a 0.7.9 for SuSE-8.0. I still think it would be worth submitting a formal request that the future SuSE 8.1

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 13:35:47 -0400, David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen writes: ..IMHO, we should have more oddball EAA planes than spam cans and airliners. BlomVoss 141, Me 323, Me 163, and the Horten Vings, Howard Hughes Spruce