[Flightgear-devel] FGFS 0.9 question...

2002-12-01 Thread Tommygio
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello to all, I've downloaded/installed/compiled the latest bleeding edge CVS tarballs of SimGear/FlightGear (as described in the getting started guide). I haven't had a problem doing all the necessary steps (well, only one: the link of the SimGear

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGFS 0.9 question...

2002-12-01 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Tommygio writes: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello to all, I've downloaded/installed/compiled the latest bleeding edge CVS tarballs of SimGear/FlightGear (as described in the getting started guide). I haven't had a problem doing all the necessary steps (well, only one: the link of the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RE : Binary Space Partitioning ?

2002-12-01 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Danie Heath writes: I take it you guys are running some sort of binary space partitioning, what is the type you use ? Can you be more specific? Partitioning which space, for what purpose? Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities

RE: [Flightgear-devel] RE : Binary Space Partitioning ?

2002-12-01 Thread Danie Heath
Title: Message Hi again ...The Binary Space Partitioning I mean is :What is the method you guys follow to subdivide the scenery, objects, aircraft so that you only render what you see ... Wouldn't the rendering be more efficient with a system like this ...Danie HeathRisC Com cc+27 12 654

RE: [Flightgear-devel] RE : Binary Space Partitioning ?

2002-12-01 Thread David Megginson
Danie Heath writes: What is the method you guys follow to subdivide the scenery, objects, aircraft so that you only render what you see ... Wouldn't the rendering be more efficient with a system like this ... Plib defines a bounding sphere for each leaf or branch node in a scene graph,

RE: [Flightgear-devel] RE : Binary Space Partitioning ?

2002-12-01 Thread Elad Yarkoni
Once upon a time, you were sitting and writing: What is the method you guys follow to subdivide the scenery, objects, aircraft so that you only render what you see ... Wouldn't the rendering be more efficient with a system like this ... Hm binary trees ? I always thought the main

RE: [Flightgear-devel] RE : Binary Space Partitioning ?

2002-12-01 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Danie Heath writes: Hi again ... The Binary Space Partitioning I mean is : What is the method you guys follow to subdivide the scenery, objects, aircraft so that you only render what you see ... Wouldn't the rendering be more efficient with a system like this ... We use a scheme where we

[Flightgear-devel] More on segfault

2002-12-01 Thread William Earnest
Hello, With an older cvs of plib, the current FlightGear cvs builds and runs fine. With the plib cvs update within the past 2 days, (and the Makefile edits to include -lplibjs), fgfs segfaults consistently for me, both on RH 7.1 and RH 7.3. A faster machine than my usual one, with 7.3, gets

[Flightgear-devel] Segfault workaround

2002-12-01 Thread William Earnest
Hello again, Backing out the plib cvs changes to 6 days ago eliminated the segfault I see in fgfs. The additions of -lplibjs to the Makefile files is still in place, but causes no problem. Hope someone with more experience can resolve what else changed in an incompatible way. -- Bill

[Flightgear-devel] panel on Radeon 8500

2002-12-01 Thread Major A
Hi, this is my latest in the neverending series of dumb questions. I have a Radeon 8500 that does a great job for most of my work. I currently use the ATI binary driver (since XFree86 hasn't quite got good 3D support, but it's getting there). I updated the driver from the fglr200-1.4.3 to the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] panel on Radeon 8500

2002-12-01 Thread Jim Wilson
Major A [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: - the 747-yasim panel is not drawn at all -- all I get is the beige background, no instruments. Running the same CVS build without DRI, I get all instruments (at 0.3fps though). All worked fine with the older driver. There is no 747 panel...yet. :-)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] panel on Radeon 8500

2002-12-01 Thread Major A
- the 747-yasim panel is not drawn at all -- all I get is the beige background, no instruments. Running the same CVS build without DRI, I get all instruments (at 0.3fps though). All worked fine with the older driver. There is no 747 panel...yet. :-) Sorry, I only said 747

[Flightgear-devel] heading: magnetic or not?

2002-12-01 Thread Major A
Just another question: I noticed that the different places in which heading plays a role (the different indicators as well as the autopilot) use magnetic and geographic heading at will. Are there any plans to unify them and/or come up with a convention of what heading is magnetic and what isn't?

RE: [Flightgear-devel] simulation engines?

2002-12-01 Thread Jon Berndt
I've noticed that there is an abundance of FDMs in FlightGear. It also seems that yasim and jsbsim are developed in parallel -- is there one which is considered most universal or simply best? Two different approaches are used in modeling aircraft aerodynamics. You can learn more about JSBSim

re: [Flightgear-devel] simulation engines?

2002-12-01 Thread David Megginson
Major A writes: I've noticed that there is an abundance of FDMs in FlightGear. It also seems that yasim and jsbsim are developed in parallel -- is there one which is considered most universal or simply best? No. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED],

Re: [Flightgear-devel] panel on Radeon 8500

2002-12-01 Thread Andy Ross
Major A wrote: Sorry, I only said 747 because that was the only one I could run in the broken build I used. I now fixed that one, it happens with all 2D panels, 172, 182, 747 (press P), etc. I can confirm this. Layers on the 2D panels (but oddly, only the 2D panels) aren't drawing over the

re: [Flightgear-devel] heading: magnetic or not?

2002-12-01 Thread David Megginson
Major A writes: Just another question: I noticed that the different places in which heading plays a role (the different indicators as well as the autopilot) use magnetic and geographic heading at will. Are there any plans to unify them and/or come up with a convention of what heading is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] panel on Radeon 8500

2002-12-01 Thread Andy Ross
I wrote: I can confirm this. Layers on the 2D panels (but oddly, only the 2D panels) aren't drawing over the background with the current ATI drivers. OK, this turns out to be a trivial fix, although I still think it's a driver bug. There are two calls to glPolygonOffset in the panel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] panel on Radeon 8500

2002-12-01 Thread Major A
Another ATI bug I've noticed is that they seem to have trouble with texture border. It's sampling the border color even when there is no border width defined, with the result that the runway tiles have dark shadows between them. Screenshot at:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] panel on Radeon 8500

2002-12-01 Thread Major A
OK, this turns out to be a trivial fix, although I still think it's a driver bug. There are two calls to glPolygonOffset in the panel rendering code (shared by both 2D and 3D panels). One is called per-layer, and sets up a layer-specific offset. The other is called for drawing the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] panel on Radeon 8500

2002-12-01 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy, I could easily be wrong since I've never messed with glPolygonOffset myself, but it's my understanding that one of the problems with this function is that the values you need to assign to the parameters can be different across platforms to accomplish the same thing. Curt. Andy Ross

Re: [Flightgear-devel] heading: magnetic or not?

2002-12-01 Thread Major A
- The autopilot in the 172 tries to keep the orange heading bug at the top of the directional gyro, period. If you set the DG to the true heading (as you would in the Arctic), then the autopilot uses true Ever flown a (real) 172 across the North Pole? :-) The only place you can get the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] panel on Radeon 8500

2002-12-01 Thread Andy Ross
Curtis L. Olson wrote: I could easily be wrong since I've never messed with glPolygonOffset myself, but it's my understanding that one of the problems with this function is that the values you need to assign to the parameters can be different across platforms to accomplish the same thing.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] heading: magnetic or not?

2002-12-01 Thread Norman Vine
David Megginson writes: The only place you can get the true heading directly is the HUD, which isn't really meant to simulate anything you'll find in a small plane -- it's just a (useful) developer's tool or a user's toy. Note David is talking from a 'small plane' C172 perspective. There

Re: [Flightgear-devel] heading: magnetic or not?

2002-12-01 Thread David Megginson
Major A writes: - The autopilot in the 172 tries to keep the orange heading bug at the top of the directional gyro, period. If you set the DG to the true heading (as you would in the Arctic), then the autopilot uses true Ever flown a (real) 172 across the North Pole? :-) No,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] heading: magnetic or not?

2002-12-01 Thread David Megginson
Norman Vine writes: The only place you can get the true heading directly is the HUD, which isn't really meant to simulate anything you'll find in a small plane -- it's just a (useful) developer's tool or a user's toy. Note David is talking from a 'small plane' C172 perspective.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] heading: magnetic or not?

2002-12-01 Thread Andy Ross
David Megginson wrote: Major A writes: - The autopilot in the 172 tries to keep the orange heading bug at the top of the directional gyro, period. If you set the DG to the true heading (as you would in the Arctic), then the autopilot uses true Ever flown a (real) 172 across the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] heading: magnetic or not?

2002-12-01 Thread Norman Vine
David Megginson writes: Major A writes: - The autopilot in the 172 tries to keep the orange heading bug at the top of the directional gyro, period. If you set the DG to the true heading (as you would in the Arctic), then the autopilot uses true Ever flown a (real) 172

Re: [Flightgear-devel] heading: magnetic or not?

2002-12-01 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: It's worth pointing out that a DG will work fine in the polar regions. Other than precession (which has a 24 hour period -- hardly a huge source of error), there's no way for it to know that it's over the pole. It will even work fine on the pole itself, in the sense that