Re: [Flightgear-devel] DHC-6 progress

2005-09-10 Thread Melchior FRANZ
On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 10:07:43PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Problems: - blender has problems with flipping normals to the outside of the model automaticaly, so i had to do that by hand. It is likely that I overlooked a surface or two... That's not a problem, but a feature. Really.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] DHC-6 progress

2005-09-10 Thread flightgear
On Saturday 10 September 2005 08:32, Melchior FRANZ wrote: Problems: - blender has problems with flipping normals to the outside of the model automaticaly, so i had to do that by hand. It is likely that I overlooked a surface or two... That's not a problem, but a feature. Really. After

Re: [Flightgear-devel] DHC-6 progress

2005-09-10 Thread Erik Hofman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik: I tried to use your jsbsim FDM frist, but I was too stupid to get that to work... It's hard to believe that. Maybe you're too inexperienced. I'll take a look at it today and send you the required updates. Erik ___

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Jon Stockill
Dave Martin wrote: On Friday 09 September 2005 18:36, Jon Stockill wrote: I've just finished downloading and processing all the data to get my scenery build system back up and running after a disk crash, it's building tiles for a test of the OSM roads at the moment. I'll grab some screenshots

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Hi, Jon Stockill schrieb: [SNIP] Here's a couple of pics, the first is looking west over the gherkin, and the second is looking out over regents park. Generation time was over an hour for that tile on a 1GHz athlon (the resource limits in fgfs-construct needed a significant increase). Memory

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Jon Stockill
Ralf Gerlich wrote: This looks quite detailed. I'm not that familiar with the London area so would you say that there is a considerable amount of smaller streets missing in there? You can see the source data here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/ there are roads missing, simply because the map

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Dave Martin
On Saturday 10 September 2005 10:25, Jon Stockill wrote: Here's a couple of pics, the first is looking west over the gherkin, and the second is looking out over regents park. Generation time was over an hour for that tile on a 1GHz athlon (the resource limits in fgfs-construct needed a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread David Luff
Dave Martin writes: I have a feeling as we get more road data, we're going to be seeing slight placement errors at the airports. Currently EGBB is placed over the A45 on the 0.9.8 scenery. If I can get that road mapped by GPS and a few others around it, we can probably move the airport

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Paul Surgeon
On Saturday 10 September 2005 13:19, Dave Martin wrote: I have a feeling as we get more road data, we're going to be seeing slight placement errors at the airports. Currently EGBB is placed over the A45 on the 0.9.8 scenery. If I can get that road mapped by GPS and a few others around it, we

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Paul Surgeon wrote: I noticed that a lot of airports in the X-Plane DB are quite far out. Even some major airports like Sion were out by ~ 3 km. What I do find interesting is that the quality of the data seems to change for every country. South Eastern France's data was horrid, so was

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover

2005-09-10 Thread Martin Spott
Jon Stockill wrote: http://flightgear.stockill.org.uk/scenery/osmroads1.jpg http://flightgear.stockill.org.uk/scenery/osmroads2.jpg Herewith I appoint you to the future maintainer of OSM-data in our kindcover database :-) Do they log the changes in their database, do they offer any 'raw'

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover

2005-09-10 Thread Jon Stockill
Martin Spott wrote: Herewith I appoint you to the future maintainer of OSM-data in our kindcover database :-) I should have kept my mouth shut :-) Do they log the changes in their database, do they offer any 'raw' interface ? The interface is explained here:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover

2005-09-10 Thread Martin Spott
Martin Spott wrote: Herewith I appoint you to the future maintainer of OSM-data in our kindcover database :-) 'landcover' I can't tell how this could happen Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are !

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover

2005-09-10 Thread Martin Spott
Jon Stockill wrote: I used the map command to dump the data, then converted it to the tguserdef format in order to build the scenery, but a shapefile could just as easily be used as the intermediate format. We have to be careful about simply dropping a shapefile into our landcover database.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Paul Surgeon
On Saturday 10 September 2005 15:28, Curtis L. Olson wrote: My understanding is that for the USA, the X-Plane data for runways comes primarily from DAFIF. Taxiways are all hand drawn and placed. Outside the USA the runway data is manually generated by anyone who wants to submit new airports,

[Flightgear-devel] Re: DHC-6 progress

2005-09-10 Thread Georg Vollnhals
Hi Thorben, as I like this little island-hopper aircraft very much I immediately flew it in the sim. Very nice, indeed. As it is a work in progress it would be fine if you could have a look at the size of the wheels, especially the front-wheel, and the related steering structure. The model

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS: SimGear/simgear/screen RenderTexture.cpp, 1.9, 1.10

2005-09-10 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On September 6, 2005 02:33 pm, Mathias Fröhlich wrote: Yay! This brought back 3D-clouds which I've been missing for a long time (using XFree86 4.3 + ATI's proprietary driver for Mobility Radeon 9600) :-) Good to hear ... Thanks Mathias Unfortunately, 3D clouds is still not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On September 10, 2005 09:28 am, Curtis L. Olson wrote: My understanding is that for the USA, the X-Plane data for runways comes primarily from DAFIF.  Taxiways are all hand drawn and placed.  Outside the USA the runway data is manually generated by anyone who wants to submit new airports, so

Re: [Flightgear-devel] DHC-6 progress

2005-09-10 Thread Andy Ross
Melchior FRANZ wrote: That's not a problem, but a feature. Really. After mirroring an object you have to 'apply the rotation'. (Some key combination with a, IIRC. Ctrl-A?) I don't know why this isn't done automatically, but it is braindamage 'by design'. It's hard to fix. When you mirror a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Hi, Ampere K. Hardraade schrieb: Google has some pretty accurate taxiways for their map. Check out http://pigeond.net/flightgear/fg_server_map.html in map mode. Does anybody where Google got their data from? You can get quite detailed aerial photos for most urban areas in the USA from

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover

2005-09-10 Thread Martin Spott
Ralf Gerlich wrote: However, I'm still searching for free detailed aerial photos for other areas of the world such as Germany. Here the government wants you to pay twice for the photos: Once via tax and once when you want to use the photos. The license under which you get those photos here

Re: [Flightgear-devel] DHC-6 progress

2005-09-10 Thread Paul Surgeon
On Saturday 10 September 2005 18:42, Andy Ross wrote: It's hard to fix. When you mirror a mesh, the winding order of all the polygons gets reversed, which means their normals change direction. If the mesh is stored in an optimized format (strips, fans, etc...) then it needs to be broken down

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Paul Surgeon
On Saturday 10 September 2005 19:03, Ralf Gerlich wrote: However, I'm still searching for free detailed aerial photos for other areas of the world such as Germany. Here the government wants you to pay twice for the photos: Once via tax and once when you want to use the photos. The license

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On September 10, 2005 06:36 am, Jon Stockill wrote: We've just been discussing another problem on irc - the green texture isn't really appropriate for a city, but I left out the city areas since the texture it uses contains its own roads. I'm not really sure of a solution to this. Personally,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On September 10, 2005 01:03 pm, Ralf Gerlich wrote: You can get quite detailed aerial photos for most urban areas in the USA from http://www.terraserver-usa.com David Luff's TaxiDraw has support for automatically loading such photos and showing them in the editor. However, I'm still

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: DHC-6 progress

2005-09-10 Thread flightgear
Erik: would be glad to add the jsbsim FDM. My own attempts to get it to work got as far as flightgear sucessfully loading the plane but the engines didn't seem to run and I couldn't change that even in the internal property browser... Andy/Paul: well, do I get you right, I should flip the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lufthansa liveries

2005-09-10 Thread flightgear
On Thursday 08 September 2005 23:03, Gabor Toth wrote: Hi, I've created some new textures for B737, B747, A320. They can be found at http://www.i-net.hu/fgfs Please feel free to use them for your own sake, or if they worth, please put them into CVS. Regards, Gabor No one gave you

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Hi, Ampere K. Hardraade schrieb: I think you misunderstood. I was referring to the taxiways under map mode, not satellite mode. If you go in map mode, you will see that Google got some pretty accurate vector data for taxiways generation. Whoop, didn't see that. In that case: Yes, I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lufthansa liveries

2005-09-10 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On September 10, 2005 02:42 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one gave you credit for your great work... I wonder why, because it IS great. I have told you so via IRC, but perhaps this is a better way to do it! I encourage you to keep up that kind of stuff and perhaps have a look at other

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover

2005-09-10 Thread Dave Martin
On Saturday 10 September 2005 15:39, Martin Spott wrote: We have to be careful about simply dropping a shapefile into our landcover database. Wenever we add a road, river or some other data to the database we'll have to have a look if the respective object is already represented there. Is it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Christian Mayer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ampere K. Hardraade schrieb: On September 10, 2005 09:28 am, Curtis L. Olson wrote: My understanding is that for the USA, the X-Plane data for runways comes primarily from DAFIF. Taxiways are all hand drawn and placed. Outside the USA the runway