[Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-15 Thread Georg Vollnhals
Hi all, I have to correct a typo of my last message: watching the temperature of the working part (N4).. It should read watching the temperature of the working part (T4). I described in a short way the procedure similar to the BK117. If you want to get more and better information then go to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-15 Thread Melchior FRANZ
On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 04:52:01PM +0200, Georg Vollnhals wrote: due to my bad english knowledge I will repeat some technical expressions in German, Melchior Franz will understand it: I'm Austrian! Well, I do of course understand some German words ... And by the way, your English seems fine for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-15 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior FRANZ wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 04:52:01PM +0200, Georg Vollnhals wrote: If you lock your rotor brake when starting a turbine you will burn the blades of the working turbine part - good luck! Once I implement the rotor brake, I'll need to know what I had to expect model in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-15 Thread Melchior FRANZ
On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 02:52:30PM +, Martin Spott wrote: Melchior FRANZ wrote: I'm in exile and handling email via telnet/mutt on a Win95/100MHz/8MB machine; very painful! :-/ ) Try 'PuTTY' - presumably the best you can get on Windows: I meant 'telnet' -- the protocol, not Micros~1's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:58:00 +0200, Melchior wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 02:52:30PM +, Martin Spott wrote: Melchior FRANZ wrote: I'm in exile and handling email via telnet/mutt on a Win95/100MHz/8MB machine; very painful! :-/ ) Try 'PuTTY' -

Re: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-15 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
How about smelly exhaust? =P Ampere On September 15, 2004 10:17 am, Melchior FRANZ wrote: If you lock your rotor brake when starting a turbine you will burn the blades of the working turbine part - good luck! Once I implement the rotor brake, I'll need to know what I had to expect model

[Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-14 Thread Georg Vollnhals
Some words to the starting procedures with a modern turbine helo as BO105, due to my bad english knowledge I will repeat some technical expressions in German, Melchior Franz will understand it: Modern helos are equipped with a two shaft turbine (Doppelwellenturbine) with air compressing part

Re: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-13 Thread Melchior FRANZ
On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 08:21:47PM +, Martin Spott wrote: According to what I've seen (partly from very nearby) helicopter pilots use to start their turbines with the transmission already clutched to the engine. I fly regularly with helicopters (just 4 days ago with an AB212), but

Re: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-13 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior FRANZ wrote: I fly regularly with helicopters (just 4 days ago with an AB212), but unfortunately I don't usually pay much attention to this. Mostly they do pick me up with running engines and rotors. I remember, though, that an AB204 pilot started the engine first, and *then*

Re: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-13 Thread Melchior FRANZ
On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 09:50:50AM +, Martin Spott wrote: I hope you didn't misunderstand me. It was _not_ my intention to drag your startup procedure in the mud. No problem. Despite the unfinished state of the FDM the Nasal parts could perhaps be more realistic at least. As I said, I'll

Re: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-12 Thread Melchior FRANZ
On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 08:28:13PM -0600, Dave Perry wrote: 1. bo105 - no power. I did not look for the reason. Shift-]- start turbines wait 30 seconds Shift-] again - clutch rotor m. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-12 Thread Matevz Jekovec
Melchior FRANZ wrote: On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 08:28:13PM -0600, Dave Perry wrote: 1. bo105 - no power. I did not look for the reason. Shift-]- start turbines wait 30 seconds Shift-] again - clutch rotor m. Does fgfs use direct key addressing or is it important which keymap do

Re: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-12 Thread Erik Hofman
Dave Perry wrote: 3. f104 - no power. This used to work. I'm baffled about this one. It's not clear to me what is causing this. 4. j3cub - Aborted. This used to work. This dos work for me. If it's an assertion problem then it is caused by OpenAL. Just try to start FlightGear again and things

Re: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-12 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Matevz Jekovec wrote: Melchior FRANZ wrote: On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 08:28:13PM -0600, Dave Perry wrote: 1. bo105 - no power. I did not look for the reason. Shift-]- start turbines wait 30 seconds Shift-] again - clutch rotor m. Does fgfs use direct key

Re: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-12 Thread Melchior FRANZ
On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 10:17:12AM +0200, Melchior FRANZ wrote: Shift-]- start turbines wait 30 seconds Shift-] again - clutch rotor err ... it's less than 30 seconds, actually. Just wait for 100% engine power. Then you'll have to wait around 30 seconds for the rotor to spin up to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-12 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior FRANZ wrote: On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 08:28:13PM -0600, Dave Perry wrote: 1. bo105 - no power. I did not look for the reason. Shift-]- start turbines wait 30 seconds Shift-] again - clutch rotor BTW, isn't this totally irrealistic ? I've never seen a helicopter clutching

Re: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-12 Thread Melchior FRANZ
On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 04:35:15PM +, Martin Spott wrote: Melchior FRANZ wrote: On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 08:28:13PM -0600, Dave Perry wrote: 1. bo105 - no power. [...] Shift-]- start turbines wait 30 seconds Shift-] again - clutch rotor BTW, isn't this totally

Re: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-12 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior FRANZ wrote: On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 04:35:15PM +, Martin Spott wrote: BTW, isn't this totally irrealistic ? I've never seen a helicopter clutching the rotor with engines at full speed - I assume this would break the whole transmission at once ! No, it isn't totally

Re: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-12 Thread Martin Spott
Martin Spott wrote: The 'faked' engine startup process doesn't look that bad. I simply wonder why you didn't sync rotor acceleration to it. To be honest: I don't understand how you managed to separate the two Sorry, I forgot tthe smilie - here you are: :-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user

Re: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-12 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
Not if the helicopter uses an automatic transmission. =P Ampere On September 12, 2004 12:35 pm, Martin Spott wrote: BTW, isn't this totally irrealistic ? I've never seen a helicopter clutching the rotor with engines at full speed - I assume this would break the whole transmission at once !

RE: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-12 Thread Giles Robertson
To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work Not if the helicopter uses an automatic transmission. =P Ampere On September 12, 2004 12:35 pm, Martin Spott wrote: BTW, isn't this totally irrealistic ? I've never seen a helicopter clutching

Re: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-12 Thread Boris Koenig
Giles Robertson wrote: Automatic gearboxes fail too often on the road, without much warning, for me to want one in a chopper. At least if a fixed wing engine fails you can attempt to glide. I've talked about that to a real helicopter pilot at our local club: Most real rotary pilots would tell you

[Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-11 Thread Dave Perry
I had not tried all the ac in fgfs for some time, and several of the ac that I have flown before are not working now. So I updated SimGear and fgfs from cvs and then tried all the ac for a few minutes. (Suse 9.1 with kernel.org 2.4.8.1 kernel) I did not note the maturity, only if they would

RE: [Flightgear-devel] next release - ac that don't work

2004-09-11 Thread Jon Berndt
6. shuttle - broken (maybe I don't know what it is supposed to do) I would suggest that the shuttle should not be released at the moment. Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]