Re: [Flightgear-devel] Terrain engine

2011-06-08 Thread Michael Sgier
quote fred: There is nothing that could prevent to release it under the GPL, but in the light of recent events (read FPS) I am not fond of releasing something that couldn't be used.. true but why not follow the Android etc. examples to not put everything under GPL? --- On Sun, 6/5/11,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Stefan Seifert
On Wednesday 08 June 2011 07:43:12 Michael Sgier wrote: why not simply change the fgfs licence once and for all? Android is not all GPL anymore...we could do the very same.- Would you really want to restrict the very freedoms that made FlightGear such a successful project, just to have some

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
..protection under the GPL, depends on a willingness on the part of the copyright owners to actually exercise their rights under copyright law to defend or enforce their copyrights. ..if there is no such willingness in any FlightGear author, there is no legal protection of FlightGear, and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Terrain engine

2011-06-08 Thread ThorstenB
On 08.06.2011 08:18, Michael Sgier wrote: quote fred: There is nothing that could prevent to release it under the GPL, but in the light of recent events (read FPS) I am not fond of releasing something that couldn't be used.. Don't cut quotes. Fred actually agreed to release it under the GPL

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SCR-522 (was Rating System Redux (wasRe:Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 12))

2011-06-08 Thread Vivian Meazza
Hal, Glad to be able to help. I'm looking forward to your corrected model, then I'll use it in part or in for the TR1133. As you probably know, the SCR-522 was the TR1133 built initially under a UK contract in the US. The TR1133 transmitter and receiver were reworked by Bendix into a single

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Terrain engine

2011-06-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 09:30:12 +0200, ThorstenB wrote in message 4def2504.8020...@gmail.com: On 08.06.2011 08:18, Michael Sgier wrote: If you really want to fight those scamers, there's a very simple way to do that: inform people. ..about what, FlightGear authors lack of willingness to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Terrain engine

2011-06-08 Thread Martin Spott
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 09:30:12 +0200, ThorstenB wrote in message 4def2504.8020...@gmail.com: On 08.06.2011 08:18, Michael Sgier wrote: If you really want to fight those scamers, there's a very simple way to do that: inform people. ..about what, FlightGear authors

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Roland Häder
Hi, why make it all so complicated? FGFS is GNU GPL (2/3?). Report that scam to the FSF (Free Software Foundation). Maybe you will get nothing better back than just to report that video to youtube (show prove to youtube, and they must listen) but at least their scamming activity becomes more

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread thorsten . i . renk
..protection under the GPL, depends on a willingness on the part of the copyright owners to actually exercise their rights under copyright law to defend or enforce their copyrights. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't see how willingness to exercise copyright under GPL would require moving to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 08.06.11 07:43, schrieb Michael Sgier: why not simply change the fgfs licence once and for all? Android is not all GPL anymore...we could do the very same.- Why not throwing all the sources to trash and tell people the project does not exist anymore ? :-) No licence change has to be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:06:48 +0300 (EEST), thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi wrote in message 54776.130.234.144.77.1307524008.squir...@webmail3.cc.jyu.fi: ..protection under the GPL, depends on a willingness on the part of the copyright owners to actually exercise their rights under copyright law to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 12:13:42 +0200, HB-GRAL wrote in message 4def4b56.1080...@sablonier.ch: Am 08.06.11 07:43, schrieb Michael Sgier: why not simply change the fgfs licence once and for all? Android is not all GPL anymore...we could do the very same.- Why not throwing all the sources

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Terrain engine

2011-06-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:44:25 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message isncp9$g82o$1...@osprey.mgras.de: Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 09:30:12 +0200, ThorstenB wrote in message 4def2504.8020...@gmail.com: On 08.06.2011 08:18, Michael Sgier wrote: If you really want to fight

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Stefan Seifert
On Wednesday 08 June 2011 12:27:30 Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:06:48 +0300 (EEST), thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi wrote in message Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't see how willingness to exercise copyright under GPL would require moving to a different license. ..you assume

Re: [Flightgear-devel] gnome 3 ?

2011-06-08 Thread kreuzritter2000
Am Sonntag, den 05.06.2011, 20:18 -0500 schrieb Curtis Olson: This weekend I took the plunge and upgraded my main desktop machine to Fedora 15 + Gnome 3. Out of the gate I hit some serious culture shock, but I'm starting to get the hang of the new gnome interface and it's growing on me

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread kreuzritter2000
Am Mittwoch, den 08.06.2011, 08:19 +0200 schrieb Stefan Seifert: Would you really want to restrict the very freedoms that made FlightGear such a successful project, just to have some legal means against some shady people who try to fool the uninformed into paying some money for FG? Chances

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Oliver wrote: This guy is allready calling its product Microsoft Flight Simulator 2011, so he doesn't even care about the trademarks of Microsoft products or its company name. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SX56YCTc5M Now that video IS a copyright violation. It is a copy of Oscar's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Robert wrote: Look what I have found on Dailymotion: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgg2j5_next-generation-flight-simulator-2011-2012-demo_videogames http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xh4vzn_pro-flight-simulator-2011-review-1_videogames

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..protection under the GPL, depends on a willingness on the part of the copyright owners to actually exercise their rights under copyright law to defend or enforce their copyrights. Arnt, while the PFS guys are doing morally despicable things, they're

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Terrain engine

2011-06-08 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Martin Spott wrote: ..easy now, without a willingness to defend FlightGear copyright, Just a repetition of the above. Oh my, what an outstanding example of canned nonsense, Yeah, but he stamps New and Improved! on his can of nonsense, so it's ok, right? *snickers* g.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Stefan Seifert wrote: On Wednesday 08 June 2011 12:27:30 Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:06:48 +0300 (EEST), thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi wrote in message Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't see how willingness to exercise copyright under GPL would require moving to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread David Van Mosselbeen
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 06:05:07 -0700 (PDT), Gene Buckle ge...@deltasoft.com wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..protection under the GPL, depends on a willingness on the part of the copyright owners to actually exercise their rights under copyright law to defend or enforce their

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 2:24 PM, David Van Mosselbeen wrote: Hi all, I just download the source code of that magic scam at http://proflightsimulator.com/source/Source-Files.7z snip This was discussed ad naseum quite some time ago on this list and on the forums. Those unfamiliar are welcome

[Flightgear-devel] use-custom-scenery-data

2011-06-08 Thread Alex D-HUND
Ahoy Scenery Guys, two things related to the transitional solution use-custom-scenery-data I stumbled on: No. 1) As Csaba already pointed out a few days ago[1], aren't the files named ICAO.parking.xml in $fgdata/Scenery/Airports/I/C/A/ supposed to be named as ICAO.groundnet.xml in order to work?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:47:52 +0200, Stefan wrote in message 201106081247.52326.n...@detonation.org: On Wednesday 08 June 2011 12:27:30 Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:06:48 +0300 (EEST), thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi wrote in message Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't see how

Re: [Flightgear-devel] *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Roland Häder
..correct, once they are defended. Our current practice is effectively a license alongside the GPL, until someone gets off his ass and defends his copyright on his own GPL code. Ask gpl-violations.org for help. They have already solved some cases. signature.asc Description: This is a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata merge request 91:Animated Jetways

2011-06-08 Thread Ryan M
I ran some tests yesterday about the possibility of using static jetways as placeholders. At KSFO, with animated jetways disabled and no dynamic jetway models at all, FPS was at about 32-33 on my system. With animated jetways, it plummeted to 15-16. When I used $FG_ROOT/Models/Airport/jetway.xml

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Martin Spott
Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..our current GPL practice [...] Arnt, for what stupid reason are you using the terms we and our ? Except from annoying the developer's mailing list with unwanted outpourings you have not been involved in the FlightGear project at all, at least not for the last twelve years.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 4

2011-06-08 Thread Stuart Buchanan
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] 4

2011-06-08 Thread Gene Buckle
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] 4

2011-06-08 Thread Ryan M
More spam on yahoo accounts? -- EditLive Enterprise is the world's most technically advanced content authoring tool. Experience the power of Track Changes, Inline Image Editing and ensure content is compliant with

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 4

2011-06-08 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Ryan M wrote: More spam on yahoo accounts? I think what is happening is people might be getting whacked by drive-by browser attacks or something else. What I've been seeing is a number of people with Yahoo addresses getting hit like this - it seems to be pretty platform

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 19:59:23 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message isokar$lc0u$1...@osprey.mgras.de: Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..our current GPL practice [...] Arnt, for what stupid reason are you using the terms we and our ? Except from annoying the developer's mailing list with unwanted

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 4

2011-06-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:57:46 -0700 (PDT), Gene wrote in message alpine.lfd.2.00.1106081456310.12...@grumble.deltasoft.com: On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Ryan M wrote: More spam on yahoo accounts? I think what is happening is people might be getting whacked by drive-by browser attacks or something

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Tatsuhiro Nishioka
Hi, Flightgear Mac OS X site also has a note. See http://macflightgear.sf.net/home/downloads By the way, one thing I really hate about these products is that they skip supporting users. As a result, more than 30 users yelled at me like: hey, I got your product but I can't launch it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] use-custom-scenery-data

2011-06-08 Thread Martin Spott
Alex D-HUND wrote: two things related to the transitional solution use-custom-scenery-data I stumbled on: The recommended way of defining Scenery directories is to put multiple directories into the Scenery-Path, whereas the TerraSync-directory should be precede the Base Package Sceners. See

Re: [Flightgear-devel] use-custom-scenery-data

2011-06-08 Thread Martin Spott
Martin Spott wrote: The recommended way of defining Scenery directories is to put multiple directories into the Scenery-Path, whereas the TerraSync-directory should be precede the Base Package Sceners. See also: Please excuse my typos and spelling mistakes, I'm simply too tired,