Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-11 Thread James Turner
On 11 Sep 2009, at 06:15, Ron Jensen wrote: ICAO Annex 10 Volume 1 gives a great amount of information on the nav radio system in general. Chapter 3 would be a good read for anyone working on the nav radio code. There is an online version here:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-11 Thread willie
Please consider whether the snotty supercilious response you have just given is conducive to encouraging others to help. This project is only going to grow and will need all the help it can get at a variety of levels. Your attitude will do nothing to assist there. I humbly apologise for not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Spott
syd adams wrote: I know , it's wikipedia , but it gives a short explanation of the VOR -DME pairing ... I think the pairing of a DME with a VOR is unchallenged. People (including me) are doubtful about the pairing of a DME with an NDB, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-10 Thread willie
Martin Spott wrote: syd adams wrote: I know , it's wikipedia , but it gives a short explanation of the VOR -DME pairing ... I think the pairing of a DME with a VOR is unchallenged. People (including me) are doubtful about the pairing of a DME with an NDB, Martin. Here's a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-10 Thread John Denker
On 09/10/09 14:11, willie wrote: I think the pairing of a DME with a VOR is unchallenged. People (including me) are doubtful about the pairing of a DME with an NDB, Here's a real-world discussion showing that they really do exist. http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-77933.html It

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-10 Thread Victhor Foster
OK, so I guess that was entirely my fault on not tuning the DME to the DME on the NDB-DME station. Blame Atlas for that! :D Sorry for starting such an OT discussion :P On 09/10/09 14:11, willie wrote: I think the pairing of a DME with a VOR is unchallenged. People (including me) are

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-10 Thread syd adams
Sorry , I was not reading closely enough ... On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.netwrote: syd adams wrote: I know , it's wikipedia , but it gives a short explanation of the VOR -DME pairing ... I think the pairing of a DME with a VOR is unchallenged. People

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-10 Thread Ron Jensen
On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 16:03 -0700, John Denker wrote: 2) There is no doubt that there is frequency pairing for collocated VOR/DME. The pairing scheme for DME/VOR, DME/MLS, and DME/ILS/MLS are documented starting on page 3-100 of ICAO Annex 10 Volume 1 Aeronautical

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-09 Thread Atadjanov Daniyar
08.09.09, 21:47, James Turner zakal...@mac.com: BTW, for NDBs, FlightGear *should* be picking the closest NDB with the matching frequency - exactly as MSFS. If that's not what you're seeing, that's a bug, and likely my fault. Please let me know a suitable test location and NDB

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-09 Thread James Turner
On 9 Sep 2009, at 21:28, Atadjanov Daniyar wrote: Just tested NDB freqs problem - everything work good. Sorry for panic. That's good news indeed! I was worried I'd broken the spatial searches. Thanks for checking, and please let me know if you see other strange behaviour. James

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-08 Thread James Turner
On 7 Sep 2009, at 14:36, dave perry wrote: I was wrong about the height being correct. Thought it might be a scope problem for nav_elev so I tried moving the declaration back to navradio.hxx and moving the assignment of a value back into the search. The search is never called??? I'll

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-08 Thread Martin Spott
James Turner wrote: - runways (and taxiways) are initialised with the airport elevation instead of a zero elevation in the apt_loader. This is still a poor substitute for correct values, but in the absence of source for the actual runway elevation profile, it's much better than

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-08 Thread Atadjanov Daniyar
Hi! Is it possible to fix another bug in navradio (?) system? If runway or the region has two (or more) NDBs with same frequency, then FG shows only one of them _everytime_. In real life (as far as i know) NDBs of working runway are turned on and other NDBs with same freqs are turned off. In

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-08 Thread James Turner
This: Just want to ask developers: is it possible to make ILS/LOC establishing radius more realistic? What we have now in FG? You can establish ILS/LOC anywere you are if you are in n-kilometers over airport. In real life ATC asks pilots: Report localizer established because in real

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-08 Thread Victhor Foster
One thing I would like, if it's not already avaliable: Being able to tune a DME to a NDB-DME. I can't do that in FG, although Atlas reports some NDBs as having DME capability. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-08 Thread Torsten Dreyer
One thing I would like, if it's not already avaliable: Being able to tune a DME to a NDB-DME. I can't do that in FG, although Atlas reports some NDBs as having DME capability. Huh? As far as I know there are only DME paired to VOR but not NDB. There are places where DME and NDB might be at the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-08 Thread Victhor Foster
Then it's my fault :D I don't know how to get DME frequencies, Atlas doesn't tell me that... Thanks for the information! One thing I would like, if it's not already avaliable: Being able to tune a DME to a NDB-DME. I can't do that in FG, although Atlas reports some NDBs as having DME

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-08 Thread Vadym Kukhtin
2009/9/8 Torsten Dreyer tors...@t3r.de: NDB-DME There ara a lot NDB-DME in /data/Navaids/nav.dat ... 2 -42.72933900 170.95621900146 310 1000.0 HK HOKITIKA NDB-DME ... http://wikimapia.org/9701833/Hokitika-NDB-DME -- --- WBR, Vadym.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-08 Thread Torsten Dreyer
2009/9/8 Torsten Dreyer tors...@t3r.de: NDB-DME There ara a lot NDB-DME in /data/Navaids/nav.dat ... 2 -42.72933900 170.95621900146 310 1000.0 HK HOKITIKA NDB-DME ... http://wikimapia.org/9701833/Hokitika-NDB-DME No doubt about this. But I don't know of any NDB receiver

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-08 Thread Victhor Foster
Do I have to do so with NAV1/2? I don't seem to find any way to tune the KI226 DME without using the radio dialog/using the NAV radios. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-08 Thread Gene Buckle
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, James Turner wrote: This: Just want to ask developers: is it possible to make ILS/LOC establishing radius more realistic? What we have now in FG? You can establish ILS/LOC anywere you are if you are in n-kilometers over airport. In real life ATC asks pilots: Report

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-08 Thread syd adams
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distance_measuring_equipment I know , it's wikipedia , but it gives a short explanation of the VOR -DME pairing ... On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:01 PM, James Turner zakal...@mac.com wrote: On 8 Sep 2009, at 20:01, Torsten Dreyer wrote: There ara a lot NDB-DME in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-07 Thread James Turner
On 6 Sep 2009, at 22:50, dave perry wrote: The height is correct. It looks like every other call of FGNavRadio::updateWithPower gets the wrong value for nav_elev. Hope this helps find the bug. Thanks Dave, this is almost certainly my fault - and indeed all the airports I tested at are

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-07 Thread Curtis Olson
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 3:37 AM, James Turner wrote: Thanks Dave, this is almost certainly my fault - and indeed all the airports I tested at are very close to sea level elevation. Very odd that it's alternating from a valid value to zero, I'll dig into the code today. Dave, You could be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-07 Thread dave perry
James Turner wrote: On 6 Sep 2009, at 22:50, dave perry wrote: The height is correct. It looks like every other call of FGNavRadio::updateWithPower gets the wrong value for nav_elev. Hope this helps find the bug. I was wrong about the height being correct. Thought it might

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-07 Thread James Turner
On 7 Sep 2009, at 13:00, Curtis Olson wrote: You could be seeing the results of nav1 nav2 interleaved. You might try tuning them both in to valid stations and seeing what happens. D'oh, good observation Curt :) Unfortunately having CVS-uped, my SG and FG won't start - crashes with

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-06 Thread James Turner
On 6 Sep 2009, at 05:23, syd adams wrote: Hello. Unless Im doing something wrong , I'm now getting these errors trying to compile FG... navradio.cxx: In member function ‘virtual void FGNavRadio::update(double)’: navradio.cxx:362: error: ‘struct SGVec3d’ has no member named ‘sg’

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-06 Thread syd adams
After many tries , deleting navradio , doing make clean , make distclean,I finally had to delete the FG and SG source and do a new checkout . Now everything compiles fine . Another reason I'd love to see CVS gone :) -- Let

[Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-06 Thread dave perry
I updated SimGear, fgfs source and data yesterday for both my desktop and notebook. The glide slope is now broken. The angle seems correct but it now acts as if the ILS is always from 0 ft MSL. I tried the rw 23 ILS at KBTL with field elevation of 952 ft, rw 23 at KBJC with field elevation

[Flightgear-devel] navradio

2009-09-05 Thread syd adams
Hello. Unless Im doing something wrong , I'm now getting these errors trying to compile FG... navradio.cxx: In member function ‘virtual void FGNavRadio::update(double)’: navradio.cxx:362: error: ‘struct SGVec3d’ has no member named ‘sg’ navradio.cxx:362: error: ‘struct SGVec3d’ has no member