Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-08 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jari Häkkinen -- Wednesday 06 April 2011: The GPL ideology is to keep the or later clause. I'm not much into ideologies. I consider both GPLv2 and GPLv3 acceptable. But I don't intend to ever (again) license anything with an or later clause. This is signing a contract without reading it first!

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 10:42:38 +0200, Melchior wrote in message 201104081042.39...@rk-nord.at: * Jari Häkkinen -- Wednesday 06 April 2011: The GPL ideology is to keep the or later clause. I'm not much into ideologies. I consider both GPLv2 and GPLv3 acceptable. But I don't intend to ever

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-08 Thread kreuzritter2000
Am Freitag, den 08.04.2011, 10:42 +0200 schrieb Melchior FRANZ: And I don't consider the or later clause to be in the spirit of the GPL at all. (In the spirit of the FSF, yes.) Because an or later clause allows a fork under a license that is not compatible with what the original work is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-08 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* kreuzritter2000 -- Friday 08 April 2011: That's the reason why the or later clause is important, it can protect your intentions in the future. Or it can be completely against my intentions. Hard to say before I read the text of the GPLv4, GPLv5 etc. I don't need a master who protects my

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-08 Thread kreuzritter2000
Am Freitag, den 08.04.2011, 14:21 +0200 schrieb Melchior FRANZ: * kreuzritter2000 -- Friday 08 April 2011: That's the reason why the or later clause is important, it can protect your intentions in the future. Or it can be completely against my intentions. Hard to say before I read the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-06 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 04.04.11 12:43, schrieb HB-GRAL: Hi all I try to repeat my questions (and at least today I don’t like no-where-going-just-www-linking answers with directives _read_, _do_, _what_do_you_mean_ and all this ;o), I am not in that mood, sorry Arnt, don’t take it personal): - Is fgdata

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 14:08:49 +0200, HB-GRAL wrote in message 4d9c57d1.4090...@sablonier.ch: Am 04.04.11 12:43, schrieb HB-GRAL: Hi all I try to repeat my questions (and at least today I don’t like no-where-going-just-www-linking answers with directives _read_, _do_,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-06 Thread Jari Häkkinen
On 2011-04-06 14.08, HB-GRAL wrote: - Do other contributors of the origin repo have the right to change my origin licence assignment from GPLv2 to GPLv3, when they just pull and push the same code? (I really think: No.) I think anyone has the right to redistribute the code under GPLv3 if

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-05 Thread Erik Hofman
On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 01:59 +0200, kreuzritter2000 wrote: Am Montag, den 04.04.2011, 19:01 +0200 schrieb Erik Hofman: ha mAa GPL2 or later, which doesn't mean the license of the version in the base package can be changed to GPL3 without my permission. Erik No, this is exactly

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 09:19:09 +0200, Erik wrote in message 1301987949.1641.2.camel@Raptor: On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 01:59 +0200, kreuzritter2000 wrote: Am Montag, den 04.04.2011, 19:01 +0200 schrieb Erik Hofman: ha mAa GPL2 or later, which doesn't mean the license of the version in the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-05 Thread Erik Hofman
On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 10:13 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..I'm guessing you meant to say your fokker100 is going to stay under the same license as the rest of the base package, now it's GPLv2-and-later, later it may be GPLv3, GPLv3.1, GPLv4 etc as it is developed and forked etc to fit new FG

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-05 Thread kreuzritter2000
Am Dienstag, den 05.04.2011, 09:19 +0200 schrieb Erik Hofman: On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 01:59 +0200, kreuzritter2000 wrote: Am Montag, den 04.04.2011, 19:01 +0200 schrieb Erik Hofman: ha mAa GPL2 or later, which doesn't mean the license of the version in the base package can be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-05 Thread Erik Hofman
On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 12:31 +0200, kreuzritter2000 wrote: No, the or in the passus GPLv2 or later is a right to choose. Someone who gets the code can give it away under the terms of the GPLv2, but he does not need to do this, when there is a GPLv3 or later license available. He can give it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 13:04:03 +0200, Erik wrote in message 1302001443.32253.2.camel@Raptor: On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 12:31 +0200, kreuzritter2000 wrote: No, the or in the passus GPLv2 or later is a right to choose. Someone who gets the code can give it away under the terms of the GPLv2, but

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-05 Thread kreuzritter2000
Am Dienstag, den 05.04.2011, 13:04 +0200 schrieb Erik Hofman: On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 12:31 +0200, kreuzritter2000 wrote: No, the or in the passus GPLv2 or later is a right to choose. Someone who gets the code can give it away under the terms of the GPLv2, but he does not need to do this,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-05 Thread Erik Hofman
On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 13:34 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..and we just agreed that my guess on your GPLv2-and-later license is in your own words Hmm, fair enough., which hopefully is what you meant to do, when you put your work into FG-base. Look if the license states that one can apply a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-05 Thread Erik Hofman
On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 14:35 +0200, kreuzritter2000 wrote: No the base package belongs to the FG community and you commited your work under their GPLv2 or later conditions. If the FG community decides to switch to GPLv3 one day, the community can do this without asking you for permission.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-05 Thread TDO_Brandano -
@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:54:40 +0200 Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only? On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 14:35 +0200, kreuzritter2000 wrote: No the base package belongs to the FG community and you commited your work under their GPLv2 or later

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-05 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 05.04.11 17:00, schrieb TDO_Brandano -: This does not supercede the original license, it effectively means a fork under a new licence. The GPL v2 on the original remains in effect, but changes on the GPLv3 versions would be covered by the GPLv3 terms. Alessandro Wiki and flightgear.org

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-05 Thread Martin Spott
Hi Yves, HB-GRAL wrote: Maybe I am wrong at all, sorry for the confusion. I am just a small and non-important contributor who wants to do licence things how it has to be done. I'm convinced that being careful about contributor's licenses is a core requirement in a world where The

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-05 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* TDO_Brandano - -- Tuesday 05 April 2011: The terms of the unmodified GPL v2 allow the relicencing by 3rd parties with subsequent licences [citation:] | either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version. Caution: this is *not* part of the GPLv2. It's *below* the line

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 14:53:22 +0200, Erik wrote in message 1302008002.6099.0.camel@Raptor: On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 13:34 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..and we just agreed that my guess on your GPLv2-and-later license is in your own words Hmm, fair enough., which hopefully is what you meant

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 14:54:40 +0200, Erik wrote in message 1302008080.6099.1.camel@Raptor: On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 14:35 +0200, kreuzritter2000 wrote: No the base package belongs to the FG community and you commited your work under their GPLv2 or later conditions. If the FG community

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 21:14:03 +0200, Melchior wrote in message 201104052114.04...@rk-nord.at: * TDO_Brandano - -- Tuesday 05 April 2011: The terms of the unmodified GPL v2 allow the relicencing by 3rd parties with subsequent licences [citation:] | either version 2 of the License, or (at

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-05 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Arnt Karlsen -- Tuesday 05 April 2011: On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 21:14:03 +0200, Melchior wrote in message Caution: this is *not* part of the GPLv2. It's *below* the line stating END OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS, and is just meant as an *example* for how (the FSF would like us) to apply the GPLv2.

[Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-04 Thread HB-GRAL
Hi all While reading all the licence or license files distributed with fgdata I have to ask a small question here, and I apologize in advance to open a new licence thread, I am tired of this kind of threads myself: - Is FlightGear fgdata distributed under GPL2 and later or GPL2 only ? I found

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-04 Thread Erik Hofman
On Mon, 2011-04-04 at 12:43 +0200, HB-GRAL wrote: Hi all While reading all the licence or license files distributed with fgdata I have to ask a small question here, and I apologize in advance to open a new licence thread, I am tired of this kind of threads myself: Normally the licenses

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-04 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 12:58:06 +0200, Erik wrote in message 1301914686.991.1.camel@Raptor: On Mon, 2011-04-04 at 12:43 +0200, HB-GRAL wrote: Hi all While reading all the licence or license files distributed with fgdata I have to ask a small question here, and I apologize in advance to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-04 Thread Erik Hofman
On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 17:53:16 +0200 Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net wrote: - Mig15 (not compatible to GPL2 at all) - Fokker100 (GPL3, could not be used with GPL2 only) The Fokker 100 was never released under the GPL3 by me so it's still GPL2. If there's a license stating otherwise it's wrong.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-04 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 04.04.11 19:01, schrieb Erik Hofman: On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 17:53:16 +0200 Arnt Karlsena...@c2i.net wrote: - Mig15 (not compatible to GPL2 at all) - Fokker100 (GPL3, could not be used with GPL2 only) The Fokker 100 was never released under the GPL3 by me so it's still GPL2. If there's a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-04 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 04.04.11 23:35, schrieb HB-GRAL: Am 04.04.11 19:01, schrieb Erik Hofman: On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 17:53:16 +0200 Arnt Karlsena...@c2i.net wrote: - Mig15 (not compatible to GPL2 at all) - Fokker100 (GPL3, could not be used with GPL2 only) The Fokker 100 was never released under the GPL3 by me

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-04 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 23:48:11 +0200, HB-GRAL wrote in message 4d9a3c9b.3090...@sablonier.ch: Am 04.04.11 23:35, schrieb HB-GRAL: Am 04.04.11 19:01, schrieb Erik Hofman: On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 17:53:16 +0200 Arnt Karlsena...@c2i.net wrote: - Mig15 (not compatible to GPL2 at all) -

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-04 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 05.04.11 00:36, schrieb Arnt Karlsen: On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 23:48:11 +0200, HB-GRAL wrote in message 4d9a3c9b.3090...@sablonier.ch: Am 04.04.11 23:35, schrieb HB-GRAL: Am 04.04.11 19:01, schrieb Erik Hofman: On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 17:53:16 +0200 Arnt Karlsena...@c2i.netwrote: - Mig15

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is FlightGear GPL2 and later or GPL2 only?

2011-04-04 Thread kreuzritter2000
Am Montag, den 04.04.2011, 19:01 +0200 schrieb Erik Hofman: On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 17:53:16 +0200 Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net wrote: - Mig15 (not compatible to GPL2 at all) - Fokker100 (GPL3, could not be used with GPL2 only) The Fokker 100 was never released under the GPL3 by me so it's