Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear in IVAO network

2008-11-11 Thread Robert Black
Martin Spott wrote: Curtis Olson wrote: I believe this is the whole point of Pep bringing up the subject on the FlightGear mailing list. He would like to work towards a concrete proposal, and this is the preliminary discussion phase. Let's not beat up the messenger [too much], ok! :-)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-11 Thread gerard robin
On mardi 11 novembre 2008, Anders Gidenstam wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2008, gerard robin wrote: In addition to it there is a drag when the gear (down) is IN the water , i remember that Vivian couldn't take off the Catalina, since the gear were down. I may understand that you don't know the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-11 Thread gerard robin
On mardi 11 novembre 2008, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * gerard robin -- Wednesday 05 November 2008: In addition to it, with YASIm which is supposed to include that feature, i am unable to control my helicoptere rescue operation according to the terrain which is under, with water we could

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear in IVAO network

2008-11-11 Thread Rob Shearman, Jr.
I know I am usually just a lurker on this list, and when I do poke my head in, it doesn't always make sense :) However there is one concern I have about IVAO/FG-MP interoperability which I have not seen addressed, and it goes back to a debate about MP we've had in our forum several times over

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear in IVAO network

2008-11-11 Thread Pep Ribal
I don't think the MP servers have to change their philosophy. I don't think both networks should be merged: it would be better to have the possibility to choose. All this is a personal opinion, but I think your MP should remain intact, with the same philosophy, and just add into IVAO the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1 (final directory comparison)

2008-11-11 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Melchior FRANZ -- Wednesday 05 November 2008: * Curtis Olson -- 11/3/2008 4:46 PM: - If it was me doing this, I would suggest something like: Airports/L/LO/LOX/LOXA.xml (just the one file per airport) As I wrote previously, if we drop the requirement to have separated files per airport,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear in IVAO network

2008-11-11 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Hi, First response on this topic from my side. I don't think the MP servers have to change their philosophy. I don't think both networks should be merged: it would be better to have the possibility to choose. As Rob noticed FlightGear has to deal with a lot of kids (I prefer to cale

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-11 Thread gerard robin
On mardi 11 novembre 2008, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * gerard robin -- Saturday 08 November 2008: Is it so difficult, to include within FG, the code which gives the information, or at least, to include as generic the 'famous Nasal script ?? May be any idea which is not coming from you is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear in IVAO network

2008-11-11 Thread Curtis Olson
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Pep Ribal wrote: I don't think the MP servers have to change their philosophy. I don't think both networks should be merged: it would be better to have the possibility to choose. All this is a personal opinion, but I think your MP should remain intact, with

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-11 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jon S. Berndt -- Thursday 06 November 2008: Well, that would require JSBSim to maintain a database for the physical properties (friction, etc.) of the terrain underneath the aircraft. No. You'd just have to extend JSBSim.cxx so that it queries the ground cache for every gear. From there it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear in IVAO network

2008-11-11 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:19:44 -0800 (PST), Jr. wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From: Matthew Tippett [EMAIL PROTECTED] flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:34:12 AM Note the subtle suggestion of the discussion here. To avoid

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-11 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* gerard robin -- Saturday 08 November 2008: Is it so difficult, to include within FG, the code which gives the information, or at least, to include as generic the 'famous Nasal script ?? May be any idea which is not coming from you is bad :) That's funny. So you have forgotten that the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/CVS crashes on iMac with nVidia GeForce 7300GT

2008-11-11 Thread James Turner
On 31 Oct 2008, at 01:33, Tatsuhiro Nishioka wrote: This problem didn't happen on the iMac that I tested. So this may be a processor related issue. Could you tell me what compiler options did you specify? I wonder if this problem happens when you specify no optimization including -O,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear in IVAO network

2008-11-11 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:31:34 +0300, Pep wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The way IVAO has worked so far, as Curt says, is completely plugin based, in regard of flight simulators, due to the fact that the simulators that log in are not open source (let's change that!). In the case of FG,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear in IVAO network

2008-11-11 Thread Matthew Tippett
My suggestion was along these lines, however I was focusing more on the inter-organization issues than technical. The technical details in my email was matching yours, that is the FG-MP server accepts a connection from *any* trusted MP flight environment. A secure wrapper using public key

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-11 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* gerard robin -- Wednesday 05 November 2008: In addition to it, with YASIm which is supposed to include that feature, i am unable to control my helicoptere rescue operation according to the terrain which is under, with water we could understand but with solid the rescued man is digging the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear in IVAO network

2008-11-11 Thread Csaba Halász
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Matthew Tippett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If however, IVAO sees the value in allowing FG users access to their network as 'peer' pilots Not to forget about acting as controllers, which would be a nice thing to have too. -- Csaba/Jester

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-11 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* gerard robin -- Wednesday 05 November 2008: Not ripping, keeping, .. since that feature is necessary, out of, and without any FDM. As far as i know, (i could be wrong and stupid) , an AI object is not FDM dependent, but, it can be property related. Your generic terrain.nas wouldn't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-11 Thread Anders Gidenstam
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008, gerard robin wrote: In addition to it there is a drag when the gear (down) is IN the water , i remember that Vivian couldn't take off the Catalina, since the gear were down. I may understand that you don't know the JSBSim features/ressources. I think that was me. But

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172p with terrain

2008-11-11 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* gerard robin -- Tuesday 11 November 2008: A gear with a variable size ? Huh? You suggest to put terrain.nas into CVS, and when you get suggestions for how to solve the problems properly, you put them all down while ignoring that terrain.nas doesnt fulfill any of your requirements

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear in IVAO network

2008-11-11 Thread Martin Spott
Robert Black wrote: [...] Flightgear should concentrate on making the tools and letting people use them as they see fit. This ensures the organizations that do right by their members continue while the ones who do not are not holding their members hostage because they own the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear in IVAO network

2008-11-11 Thread Matthew Tippett
Note the subtle suggestion of the discussion here. To avoid exposing/causing concern with the GPL, keeping it completely internal and not distributing it from IVAO seems like a good idea. However, this appears to need FG to expand/revise it's MP interface to allow secure connection of external

Re: [Flightgear-devel] How I spend my spare time

2008-11-11 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Curtis Olson a écrit : Fred, your demo movies look really interesting. I'm looking forward to continued great results! Here are two new movies of my current progress. Shader programming inside : http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/yafseng_6.avi [9.23 MB]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] How I spend my spare time

2008-11-11 Thread Syd
Frederic Bouvier wrote: Curtis Olson a écrit : Fred, your demo movies look really interesting. I'm looking forward to continued great results! Here are two new movies of my current progress. Shader programming inside : http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/yafseng_6.avi [9.23 MB]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear in IVAO network

2008-11-11 Thread Pep Ribal
Hi all. Another big issue I was thinking about is how we would deal with our differences in terrain data? Maybey we should keep the technicall problems for a later stage, but having planes taxi meters above (or below) you just doesn't look good... As far as I know FG uses the same

[Flightgear-devel] An aircraft which sink ! Yes, with FG that is possible.

2008-11-11 Thread gerard robin
Hello It is not the Concorde , nor the Titannic only the Crusader which sink. I have just updated the FDM of the F-8E Crusader, which will sink if you try to land on water. It only pretend to show that is possible to simulate an aircraft which sink when on the water. It is NOT an animation

Re: [Flightgear-devel] An aircraft which sink ! Yes, with FG that is possible.

2008-11-11 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:22:12 +0100, gerard wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello It is not the Concorde , nor the Titannic only the Crusader which sink. I have just updated the FDM of the F-8E Crusader, which will sink if you try to land on water. It only pretend to show that is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] An aircraft which sink ! Yes, with FG that is possible.

2008-11-11 Thread gerard robin
On mercredi 12 novembre 2008, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:22:12 +0100, gerard wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello It is not the Concorde , nor the Titannic only the Crusader which sink. I have just updated the FDM of the F-8E Crusader, which will sink if you try to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/CVS crashes on iMac with nVidia GeForce 7300GT

2008-11-11 Thread Tatsuhiro Nishioka
On Nov 11, 2008, at 7:25 PM, James Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This problem didn't happen on the iMac that I tested. So this may be a processor related issue. Going to do more testing on this issue today, but could you also humour me by creating a new CVS build on macflightgear? It

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear in IVAO network

2008-11-11 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 04:12:06 +0200, Pep wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all. Another big issue I was thinking about is how we would deal with our differences in terrain data? Maybey we should keep the technicall problems for a later stage, but having planes taxi meters above

Re: [Flightgear-devel] An aircraft which sink ! Yes, with FG that is possible.

2008-11-11 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:36:53 +0100, gerard wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On mercredi 12 novembre 2008, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:22:12 +0100, gerard wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello It is not the Concorde , nor the Titannic only the Crusader which

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear in IVAO network

2008-11-11 Thread Alex Perry
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Pep Ribal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The IVAO team could implement a FlightGear compatible interface into their network. The work would be done on their servers, but then nothing would need to change on the FlightGear side. The IVAO team would not need to