Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havanna

2000-08-26 Thread narvis ...pez
oh yeah paquito de rivera used to hear jazz at night hiden in obscurity because this was not a revolutionary activity (this is before leave cuba) now: who have de power of written press? anyone? no. only de communist party. / the gramma is the worst newspaper i've ever read even the cubans

Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havana

2000-08-26 Thread Kathy Forer
At 11:07 PM -0700 8/25/00, Eryk Salvaggio wrote: But I also have heard, numerous times, of the art there, and all of it deals with the need for the spirits of people to be elevated out of the extreme poverty and structure. Is it possible to address this in art? Even given the need for heroic

Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havanna

2000-08-26 Thread Heiko Recktenwald
people want to be free, and construct antenas to see wireless tv or radio, or any signal to bypass this channel This is pretty popular everywhere in the world

Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havana

2000-08-26 Thread narvis ...pez
art over politic ideological totalitarism become subversive or its only propaganda. there are some room for subversive art in cuba? i dont think so. ...pez At 04:07 am -0400 26/8/00, Kathy Forer wrote: Is it possible to address this in art? Even given the need for heroic overcoming, can the

Re: FLUXLIST: Calling PK Harris

2000-08-26 Thread Carol Star
hi particia, allen, great pixs. what else did you two clever people do at kinkos. please tell all as it is of great interest and there is very little mail on fluxlist right now. hugs to both of you, carol :) (sitting at the computer drinking beer on a warm saturday afternoon while i water the

Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havanna

2000-08-26 Thread narvis ...pez
At 11:07 pm -0700 25/8/00, Eryk Salvaggio wrote: Hm, maybe there is more than one mindset in Cuba? all its possible. but there is not evidence that someone outside communist party can reach public opinion, or if there is any public opinion there. Maybe some people idealize america, and some

Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havanna

2000-08-26 Thread Jaymarvin1
In a message dated 8/26/00 3:05:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: oh yeah paquito de rivera used to hear jazz at night hiden in obscurity because this was not a revolutionary activity (this is before leave cuba) There are those who believe what they are told all their lives, and then there

FLUXLIST: poetry and revolution was: havanna

2000-08-26 Thread Eryk Salvaggio
"Revolution is made possible by making hope possible, rather than despair convincing." -Hunter S Thompson If you don't think it is possible to capture hope in art, then I don't know what you are doing in art, no offense. Take a look at the films and carnivals filmed in the middle of Nazi

Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havanna

2000-08-26 Thread Jaymarvin1
In a message dated 8/26/00 8:04:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: people want to be free, and construct antenas to see wireless tv or radio, or any signal to bypass this channel I thought you said they couldn't see American TV Now you're saying they can? -- jay

Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havanna

2000-08-26 Thread Jaymarvin1
In a message dated 8/26/00 8:23:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: all its possible. but there is not evidence that someone outside communist party can reach public opinion, or if there is any public opinion there. Sure there is. There's a so called "democracy movement" funded by the US.

FLUXLIST: HAVANNA VOTATION

2000-08-26 Thread St.Auby Tamas
High! Should "narvis ...pez" [EMAIL PROTECTED] be expulsed from the Fluxlist for his ignominious, boring, blockhead CIA-blahblah or not? Yes -No - Hugh! a101a

Re: FLUXLIST: poetry and revolution was: havanna

2000-08-26 Thread Kathy Forer
Eryk Salvaggio wrote: need for the spirits of people to be elevated out of the extreme poverty and structure. My argument: If art is being made, it can't be so very extreme. Extreme in the sense of irrecoverable, hopeless. Perhaps I overreacted to the word. Historically, art isn't made in the

Re: FLUXLIST: HAVANNA VOTATION

2000-08-26 Thread Eryk Salvaggio
If narvis gets unsubbed, I leave voluntarily. So maybe you can all kill two birds with one stone -e. "St.Auby Tamas" wrote: High! Should "narvis ...pez" [EMAIL PROTECTED] be expulsed from the Fluxlist for his ignominious, boring, blockhead CIA-blahblah or not? Yes -

Re: FLUXLIST: HAVANNA VOTATION

2000-08-26 Thread Terrence Kosick
Terrence writes; No T. ArtNatural "St.Auby Tamas" wrote: High! Should "narvis ...pez" [EMAIL PROTECTED] be expulsed from the Fluxlist for his ignominious, boring, blockhead CIA-blahblah or not? Yes -No - Hugh! a101a

FLUXLIST: Do you have the Yen to be a millionaire?

2000-08-26 Thread Terrence Kosick
ArtNatural

Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havana

2000-08-26 Thread Terrence Kosick
"narvis ...pez" wrote: art over politic ideological totalitarism become subversive or its only propaganda. there are some room for subversive art in cuba? i dont think so. ...pez Terrence wrtes; Subversive art is mostly anocronous but it does have some affect. I think some artists

Re: FLUXLIST: poetry and revolution was: havanna

2000-08-26 Thread Terrence Kosick
Kathy Forer wrote: You've fortunately obviously never been hungry enough to forget everything else in your life, to be so focused on bread and water that words are a luxury which would destroy you. Terrence writes; no one has ever been that hungy T. artnatural words are bread and water

FLUXLIST: words are the bread and water of the soul

2000-08-26 Thread Terrence Kosick
ArtNatural

Re: FLUXLIST: poetry and revolution was: havana

2000-08-26 Thread Kathy Forer
'Tis happier to be dead to die for beauty than to live for bread Off with their heads! Let them eat cake!