Dada and Fluxus for that matter are ways of thinking and creating, to my way
Or: what to take serious and what not. Or isnt there anything serious ?
This whole "fluxgroup" talking, labelism, reminds me somehow to the way,
Godard, Truffault, Chabrol etc were working in the beginning. Beuys did
It is amazing how especially German art history has manipulated lots of people
to believe that Joseph Beuys was a central figure in the Flux network. In fact,
Think he did that himself with his stamp "Fluxus Zone West".
Duesseldorf...life style..
H.
Pop Architecture.
I thiunk this was the climax.
Maybe we should talk more on the role of germany as a place for fluxus and
fluxers.
But Al etc were in that class. And he dropped out of the best job, when
they all dropped out. How would you describe this process ? Why did he go
to Cologne etc ?
I dont have anything specific, I dont like all he did, but I saw some
posters, he made, maybe some of the strongest pieces from the
it was best known as
"Happening and Fluxus", later..
No, it was not.
"Happening and Fluxus" was the title of an exhibition.
(koelnischer kunstverein - 6. 11. 1970 - 6. 1. 1971.)
Later ;-)
First learn his name:
AL HANSEN.
Why are you "fluxsers" allways so pedantic ?
H.
if you are based in Bonn (as I guessed from your URL) you might want to check out
"Al Hansen: Oevre/Flashbacks, Ausstellungskatalog, Kunstverein Rosenheim" which is at
the Kunsthistorisches Institut/Uni Bonn. Also you can talk to Galerie Berndt in Köln
(www.berndt.de). I think they knew Al
i would like to be able to write a text, e.g. in notepad or word (i use
windows and thew associated ms stuff - don't shout!)
but when i press 'a', 'b' appears on the screen
a=b
b=c
z=a
etc
This is not exactly what you want but much faster than simple search and
replace with each letter.
tr -cs "[:alpha:]" "\n" file1
With n = 11 makes:
TR FreeBSD General CommandsManual TR NAMEtr
translate characters SYNOPSIStr csu string string
tr cu d string tr cu s string tr cu
ds
When fluxus began in the Cage class, they were some of the most avantgarde
people of its time. Those who call themself "fluxus" today are not.
Again and again misleading nonsense flourish on the list. The term Fluxus was
used in connection with performance the first time in Europe in 1962
Heiko, I remixed what you sent yesterday:
http://eyezone.webprovider.com/spow/rekamad.mp3
it's a tiny file (so quick download...266kb).
And I do a remix of the remix ? ;-)
Ok, lets see if there are some nice samples.
Decoding the mp3...
H.
old and nothing new. "Newness" is a mythology - everything is recycled.
Maybe in general, but from a personal point of view ?
I dont mind that avantgarde and capitalism have something in common. Why
not ? It doesnt mean to like capitalism etc ;-)
H.
Sol:
BTW what file format are you thinking of. I agree with Heiko thatMp3 would
be best for its small file sizes. There are some freeware editors that
people can use on mp3 files and freeware encoders/decoders if people wish to
convert to wav etc., manipulate and then convert back to mp3.
And there is still l3enc.exe around. IMHO the very, very best when it
comes to very low bandwidth. Do an altavista search !!!
And do compare the results with 8000 bits/sec.
An example of such low bitrate internet radio is at
http://www.uni-bonn.de/~uzs106/stanfor4.mp3
Thanks to Miles and
http://www.artden.freeserve.co.uk/fluxmidi/
No let Allen believe it was again something malicious...
Psychologists in the mid west...wow.
H.
Hi,
radio. I dont want my music in realaudio !! ;-)Or Quicktime ;-)
actually, whatever the working format is, i was planning to burn
the final piece into a cd and broadcast it from the good old fashined radio
station... will that be ok with everybody? but the broadcast will
I believe that Heiko's most recent email may be a Fluxus Memory Test
challenging people to remember the difficulties caused by the virus that
came in his last email attachment. And what would the appropriate Fluxus
response be?
Well attachments are not attachments. I am sorry for the
Well, one of the gods spoke:
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 14:21:18 +1030
THIS IS A VIRUS!
Of the dangerous kind, did destroy some peoples webdesign stuff or
music files etc, files that mean long work.
People who either
1. use Microsoft without adequate
with any attachment I receive that I consider suspicious. The suspicious
part was the .jpg.vbs extension that the file had..no normal file would have
2 extensions. I assumed others had done likewise. In future if you're unsure
But this might have been part of the joke, if it was one.
1)
What's the name of it? I cannot find it on the list.
Sol gave us an URL.
Any other suggestions?
What antivirus software I should use? I have none and am not willing to
download tens of megabytes with this slow connection.
I dont have any anti virus software, but I dont use Windows for
Well..
On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Carol Starr wrote:
i agree; i'm still using pine and i love it. long live ascii. c :)
But ASCII and attachments go well together. I use it with X, so
image files etc can be displayed easissime, if you want.
This BlaTV at http://www.uni-bonn.de/~uzs106/ works
Sorry !!!
On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, R.MUTT wrote:
0t 07:13 p.m. 03/11/00 +, you wrote:
all my jpg's lost ... thanks to you ... all my webdesings to the trash ... yippieee !
Oh shit !
On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, alan bowman wrote:
i got a virus from a file heiko sent (hopefully unwittingly)
I wrote about this allready in another mail. I got it in another maillist
and people, much more knowledgable that me, were making jokes, I thought
it was just another version of the
Voila, lets see what the robots do more..
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:43:56 +0100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ALERTE: VIRUS DETECTE DANS UN MESSAGE ENVOYE PAR
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:34:51 -
From: Peter Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FreeBSD List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: US PRESIDENT AND FBI SECRETS =PLEASE VISIT = (http://WWW.2600.CO
M)=
VERY JOKE..! SEE PRESIDENT AND FBI TOP SECRET PICTURES..
Well, Ken would have printed it, anyway, it contains indeed some script,
that may infect, but I think it isnt dangerous.
H.
Shure, but56 kB isnt what Ken suggested anyway. Although I had
problems with his printing approach, I also have problems with colors,
that show nothing but the MSN logo.
And I think it is a Yoko Ono remake anyway.
H.
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Alex Cook wrote:
Fluxlist, please accept my
Send a record of the event to:
"Event", there are to many. Every city has its "event manager" now who
makes surface things...telling people how beautifull this "event" will be.
To much fashion.
H.
There's something that makes you keep clicking. keep clicking.
Facere,
fecit,
Well, I did some clicking stuff too, at http://www.uni-bonn.de/~uzs106/
a piece against the media megacorporations and their fast $$ sotosay,
MPEG is so simple compared to Quicktime and Realmedia..and its
(for example, now we have "virtual reality"--a kind of mechanical
simulation of hallucination!)
Hmm...isnt this something different ?
Anyway, there was once an article in Business Week on Cybersickness, like
seasichness, from using to much virtuality (somer SEGA game never released
for
turned up. Good luck, Heiko.
Best,PK
Heiko Recktenwald wrote:
We had this topic some time ago. A warehouse of old goods, american
civilisation. Well, has anybody experiences, are you experienced, with a
transfer of goods to europe ? (Mustnt be ebay goods.) How much would a
"
Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at
http://profiles.msn.com.
This is funny.
And what is notify.com ?
H.
Hi, finaly its working, my video/x-mpegurl at
http://www.uni-bonn.de/~uzs106/
Well, send me URLs of MPEG Video you want to be clickable.
Dont send me binaries ! Streaming MPEG needs high bandwidth,
streaming MPEG over modem works only with 80x60...
Could be put on www/~uzs106/test or
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:08:33
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ADV ADLT:
SIZE DOES MATTER
Be ready to penetrate your decor with pillows by NaughtyPillows!!!
The Penis Pillow is 22" long and is sure to ellicit a response from all who encounter
it.
shore begins at the end of my garden. Yes Bretany is great.
Corse is nice too ;-) U populu corsu..
Is there some place in the US, which is called like Lands End (in
Cornwall) or Finisterre ?
To be honest, I have to confess that I'm not in the Finisterre, but in the
very beginning of
sources in the same week? Uncanny! Unheimlich! Woop!
We can stand this ;-)
Is there some place in the US, which is called like Lands End (in
Cornwall) or Finisterre ?
There are all kinds of great names in the US as elsewhere. Ball Club and Sleepy
Eye are fine little Minnesota burgs,
Here it comes, with Linux mtvp as the mpgplayer:
cat $1 | xargs -n 1 mtvp
For MPEG 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
Well, fluxers have allways been very meadiaaware, and some on the list
might understand this suggestion or even have a webserver under their
thumb, might have access to the apache mime.types file in
/usr/local/etc/apache (or wherever it is on your system) or have a
friendly webadmin willing to
\|/ \|/
@~/ Oo \~@
/_( \__/ )_\
\__U_/
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, meryl wrote:
There's an area of Brooklyn, NY called Gravesend. Of course New Jersey is
full of odd names like Nutley, Little Silver, and Leonia.
Maybe ;-)
In Bretany, the names arent just "strange", there are two or three keltish
words, the quer in Locamariaquer etc,
o / o
/\| /\|\
/ \
' ` o ' `
GOOOL!!
Paco! Lupillo! Ariba Cruz Azul!
But what seems to be missing is a serious critical discussion of what
it means to be a Fluxist now- Ken and Dick Higgins always left
I wouldnt put Ken and Dick to much into the same basket. I think Ken was
sometimes to Fluxish, to Maciunas centered, whereas Dick was more
openminded, playfull
Isnt this by Swift ?
Who is much faster and much more readable IMHO.
You're absolutely right...I'd better sleep more, it's good for memory (and
take my books out of the boxes that remain)
Btw, I have the first french translation of TS ;-)
Or the second, somewhere in the boxes..
Sterne at the Lord Chamber in which he denounces the starvation in Ireland
by proposing various way of cooking babies to fight the lack of food.
Isnt this by Swift ?
Who is much faster and much more readable IMHO.
Laurence Sterne..
On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Roger Stevens wrote:
I read bits of this at school
many, many, many years ago
I don't think I've ever met anyone
who has read the whole thing through
(bit like Finnegan's Wake)
Hmmm...anyway, its extremly boring read today.
So slow. How he
Dont want to blow in Ken Friedmans horn, that attachments are evil, but
I was surprised how small those files became when converted to b/w gifs.
Anyway, thanks..
vorwhite.gif
A simple question:
On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Eryk Salvaggio wrote:
http://www.poptones.com/sayso.html
Has some interesting ideas and artists;
some fluxlist people into the fluxy side
of music and Beck's record collection
What is it that makes Beck so fluxish exept Al Hanson ?
may dig it;
sinking russian submarine...but from there it's absolutiely secret sorry
Thanks Porkulus.
Its he a fluxus (tm) artist ?
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 08:23:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: David P Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Joseph Zitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [silence] AMM @ Autumn Uprising, Boston, Oct 13-15
Hey everyone, and as
Who is Thomas Bernhard, if you don't mind me asking?
Austrian writer. "Half a sentence of Thomas Bernhard", Goetz once wrote..
A lot of his play were performed by Bernhard Minetti, rather unique...
And the subject reminds to Sigmar Polke.
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:18:51 -0500
From: Bill Spornitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: da sh*t remains unpredictable.
I don't know *why* I did this, but I know that I used the Eubonics
translator at
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Josh Ronsen wrote:
I hate giving away my secrets, I have so few of them.
It was made in Photoshop, using a series of intuitive,
exploratory processes that I try to apply on everything
(usually my sound art).
You mean you play around with Soundedit or Cool or
For the first time at one of the most brutal borders in the world, the
[List of celebrities deleted]
Could somebody explain the logic of the event ? Are borders and states a
bad thing, how should the world look like ? Please include details like
schools for everybody, social services etc.
This is, btw, a very Flux-before-the-fact book. Who has read it here?
Here ;-)
H.
It's not cia anything, it's his own perception from his own experience
in the place under discussion. Don't let's be silly.
Agreed.
Btw, what are the opinions on Mr. G. of Lybia ? Is he, as Newsweek once
said, "the most dangerous man of the world" or did he just close an
american harbour ?
of Nazi Germany, the idealistic slogans in Czeckoslovakia
Milan Kundera...and car accidents, Dupchek, Villem Flusser etc..
in 1968, even Andrej Tisma in Sarejevo before he switched to
militant insanity.
Think he was from this other town Novi Sad, or do I mix things ?
The balkan with its
people want to be free, and construct antenas to see wireless tv
or radio, or any signal to bypass this channel
This is pretty popular everywhere in the world
I don't mean to jump in, but I've been to Cuba, and it's great!
You'll love it.
The people are cool.
So say all people I know who where there
The art is great!
What is maybe a little bit surprising is that somebody very capitalistic
here loved the many Che Guevara graffitis there.
Howver, since it is called a Fluxlist, it should be important for the
members to know how most Fluxus artists value Ken Friedman.
No. What Fluxus (tm) artists think about each other is rather unimportant.
Btw, what do "most fluxus artists" think about Maciunas ?
Or Al Hanson ?
Thanks.
On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For those of you who missed our live webcast,
and wanted to see:
(1)the only *existing footage* (!) of gh hovagimyan doing performance art
live rap from the 1970's...
(2)everything you wanted to know about ricardo dominguez and
He is one of the german freejazzers form the 60s and 70s and I dont know
of any special fluxus connection. One could say he is part of a german
climate that made so many fluxus related things happen here in the 60s,
sotosay bigger than fluxus, fluxus just a part of this.
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000,
(in english we call it "remembrance of things past"--but proust's
title in french means "in search of lost time")
"Auf der Suche nach der verlorenen Zeit"
"Funniest is best, that is Fluxus." Ay-O
Says nothing. Think about it..
I DO think that the circulations of these types of petitions
spread the informations about given problems.
Etc..and what makes this petition worse than infos about burgers ?
Problems
World of labels. Lets fight american culture.
T.Whid is one half of MTAA (M. River T. Whid Art Associates), a
Brooklyn-based
conceptual and net art collaboration. Recent exhibitions include: 'The Art
Entertainment Network' (http://aen.walkerart.org) -- created by the
Walker Art
Center, 'Three Suitcases' Art Idea in Mexico City, and
FFFO - perhaps a simpler program with all the drag'n'drop stuff and that may
be better)
Maybe a simpler program *without* all the drag'n'drop stuff ? ;-)
What you cant do with a text editor, forget it..
Just to give you an example, what great and simple stuff is out there.
If you have a text, lets call it abc.txt, usage is:
text2gif abc.txt abc.gif
Voila:
Go to index page.
text2gif
A program to generate
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:29:44
From: KOOLRIVER ADVENTURE TOURS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: WHITEWATER FAFTING
WHITE WATER RAFTING INTERNET SPECIAL!
MIDDLE FORK OF THE AMERICAN RIVER
ONE DAY TRIP
THURSDAY OR FRIDAY
REGULARLY $ 99
semel perforatum numquam reparabile"...
Liked those tiny pieces of paper flying around the letter.
And the Patricia with hat piece.
Thanks.
H.
More, Ernest! Give us more!
Nice to know that he is still on board. He asks the right questions,
which is much more important than the answers.
H.
Sol:
4. The tag MARQUEE is Windoze Internet Explorer specific.
Visitors with reasonable standard browsers like Netscape won't see the
effect.
If it isnt good with lynx it isnt good at all ;-)
Why not have more than one browser, I use Netscape, IE and Lynx at different
This was not
Windows/MacOS. The other problem is that some of the best software for
certain tasks only exists for windows/MacOS. I'm all in favour of
What would you use ?
H.
Windows/MacOS. The other problem is that some of the best software for
certain tasks only exists for windows/MacOS. I'm all in favour of
Yes, but sometimes less is more. See for example gifsicle. (There is also
a dos version).
Sol has an old 486, he could run FreeBSD with X11R6, would be a perfect
machine for everything, others could run NetBSD or some kind of PPC Linux,
until they'll get MacOSX, maybe a reason to buy a box from cupertino, who
knows, maybe not, because FreeBSD etc are allways cooler. See "How cool is
box is more Fluxlistish than Fluxish which in
This topic is bo ring.
Liked Anns post.
If we take "fluxus" as a label for the things before Maciunas, for me the
most interesting part of the story, when the spirit of the cage class
entered the streets, well than the box was more fluxus than
Don Boyd is anxiously awaiting the arrival of a new grape colored
MAC
Are powerfull and still usefull, the MacOS has some good sides, but to
think they are beautifull wouldnt only be very unfluxish but also show an
extreme lack of taste. Hope, they are getting more "ugly" soon.
Heiko, 8.3
by the way, does anyone know if the programs that andrew culver developed for
john cage are available anywhere?? any leads on this or similar programs for the
mac would be great.
Its dos and produces lines of numbers. you can find it somewhere at
http://www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/~recktenw/
Its
Nationalist art has a lousy track record, both as art and as politics.
Wouldnt know a single "nationalistic" art piece. Just art, maybe, in
praise of something or art that was bought be the state etc..
The notion of the international, from the ground up, has had a much
better run.
Well. I
I once took photos of the sky looking up over the rooftops from my front
porch everyday for a couple of months. When I showed them in a slide show
people couldn't believe how beautiful the changing weather was.
Koyanikatzi (sp?)
Disco, welcome !
In "Bluebeard" by kirt Vonagunt, The main character, Raboo Karabekien (or
there abouts) was in a platoon of artists that worked to camouflage tanks
and trucks and such. Same idea.
Had a snippet from a newspaper some time over my desk, think it was from
this 80s exhibition.
When I visited Wolf Vostel in his Berlin apartment (in the mid 80s) he
had about 20 tvs stacked against a wall, some on their sides, some up
side down, and some right side up and each was tuned to a different
station or playing a different tape - it was quite a sight, and a
great one at
A single act...
The other reaction would have been to let him in and bombard him with
apropriate answers in personal mails. Offlist.
Btw, I one forwarded something, that did offend people very much, at least
it was said so, still cant really understand it, the date rape file.
Couldnt we combine
No. (This is an old fallacious argument in favor of censure.) Most lists
are _not 'moderated.' These lists achieve their own *collectively inherent
and interesting vitality/direction.
I would second this. But there are second and third wave lists, that do
moderate, more or less satisfying.
The best lists I know are unmoderated. Sometimes, the "listowner" gives
comments, but nor very often.
And, btw, the best listowners I know are women.
H.
"Several kinds of behavior will result in expulsion from Fluxlist. Abuse,
harassment, impersonation, violation of confidentiality, reposting of
private posts without permission and spamming are unacceptable. We will not
serve as a forum for racist, sexist, malicious or mendacious behaviour. "
in their survey of "action art" a couple years ago. One particularly
memorable piece from that show was the French guy who canned his own feces
and sold it as "artist's shit," with the price fixed to the price of gold. I
"Merde a'artist", a classic. Wouldnt mix it with the other stuff.
H.
"Where did you got this takeaway ?"
On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Davidson Gigliotti wrote:
I hope I'm not intruding, but trials in absentia are not usually
considered the most democratically just way of doing justice. If you
Brilliant ;-)
A Claes Oldenburger -- overstuffed, overpriced and tasteless.
Why tasteless ?
Quiet days in Cliche.
"Bandwidth in the Context of Contemporary Art" --Catherine David
She is nice, and "more bandwidth" was one of the topics of the
"net.art" gang in Kassel some years ago..
A Claes Oldenburger -- overstuffed, overpriced and tasteless.
Why tasteless ?
You dont have to buy it.
H.
horrible. Hopefully we will not have a repeat of this kind of thing.in
any case please be assured that we do what we can to prevent this sort of
thing from occurring on Fluxlist.
Come down ;-)
People on this list should be clever enough to ignore themselves what they
dont like.
But a
This weekend I finally had the time to splice the "True Confession" tape
from the FluxListBox into a cassette.
Seems that not all boxes are the same ? Couldnt that be added to the
coming CD (Rom) ? It could be a mixed Audio CD /CD Rom thing like the one
that came with the last Leonardo MJ.
latest Art News, there was a little blurb about an artist who set up a
number of blenders with goldfish in them, and was shocked when people in the
gallery actually turned them on and killed the fish. Another artist, John
Wouldnt mix this with the other cases.
Jeffries, in his MFA show,
your eloquence shames.
Try to imagine this in a "real life" situation. Galery opening, something
like that.
Well, for me, in my ideolect, its the named elefant. What I would like to
know, since its a "negative", has anybody ever tried to reconstruct the
positiv ? Wax or something, plastic, who knows. Kathy ?
H.
That's it for a few days, bye...
Come on ;-)
Maybe this is indeed listish. Like trading Miles tapes over the net.
I like this Forer elephant, allreadya mentioned.
Same technic like Anns hazard game..is this a popular game in the US ?
Putting things into clay ? Or was it Anns or Karens invention ?
History..
H.
is two, is this fluxus ?
H.
Effugas asks: "I've been thinking about something off and on for some
time now...perhaps, in all of our complaining that the patent office
equates 'net' with 'new', we've done a bit of this ourselves? I'm thinking
particularly in regards to non-computer related economic trends that
look
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