Re: FLUXLIST: Austria

2000-02-06 Thread Marc Schulz und Christina Ohlhus
Regarding Michel Foucault prisons doesn't make any sense... regarding Niklas Luhmann entering an autopietic system destroy it because you're destroying their inner logic they need for life... I'm against any kind of violence - physical or mental. And I'm with Joseph Beuys, Robert Filliou and all

Re: FLUXLIST: Austria

2000-02-06 Thread valery grancher
I have to say that you are totally all right on this point, but anyway escaping from a country nazi politic systemis not a violence: Specially when some institutins are getting fund from their government, they are part of the national system. Artist who have some art pieces ain these

Re: FLUXLIST: Austria

2000-02-06 Thread Heiko Recktenwald
We call it in France "recuperation", I don't know the word in english. Its one of the cheap myths of France. Mitterant stopped this simplicistic view, black and white thinking. What the EU is doing in the Austria case is Imperialism. And all I hear from France is "we have to stop it". From

Re: FLUXLIST: Austria

2000-02-06 Thread Ernest Lergon
valery grancher wrote: I'm keepin in mind the propaganda system from front national managed by Le Pen in France: his staff in various regions and area in France are not fighting againts contemporary art, but they defending it just to legitmate their political propaganda by saying they are

Re: FLUXLIST: Austria

2000-02-06 Thread Ernest Lergon
Heiko Recktenwald wrote (in different messages, cited in parts): Btw, we had no referendum on EU or whatever, the "euro-money" etc, and its very doubtfull, that the majority of the german voters had voted for it. In Austria, they had 2 third of the people backing EU. So you support the

Re: FLUXLIST: Austria

2000-02-06 Thread Heiko Recktenwald
It's time to stop understanding! In Germany every rigth-wing skinhead, who slaughtered an immigrant, receives sympathic judgement - because of his drunken mother, his work-less father and so on. And then he is sent to a holiday camp for three weeks instead of being put into prison for 15

Re: FLUXLIST: Austria

2000-02-06 Thread valery grancher
Der Heiko Valery, have you ever seen an austrian paper, ever been in Vienna ? I've been in Vienna I exhibited in Linz ... nice country with a great young generation ! wand what about the old people I met who don't have any sorrow regarding Kurt Waldheim and 1939-45 period. strange it's

FLUXLIST: who?

2000-02-06 Thread St.Auby Tamas
High! IPUT proposes to show the artworks of those who support the right-wing governments of our time at museums / art centers / galleries /etc. in travelling shows and web-sites. "Who is afraid of white and red and yellow and green and brown and black?" Hugh! a1o1a ---

FLUXLIST: My Amazing Robot

2000-02-06 Thread Eryk Salvaggio
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/85/my_amazing_robot.html The first fluxlist house band is now on mp3.com enjoy!!!

Re: FLUXLIST: Austria

2000-02-06 Thread Marc Schulz und Christina Ohlhus
i think that our discussion become more and more polemic. the mixing of the austrian "problem" (fact is that more than 25 % of the austrians are pro haider - so it was a democratic act!) with the accepting social work is strange... but to clear this fact for the fluxlisters: i think it's poor