RE: FLUXLIST: by the way-I disagree with Owen

2006-07-19 Thread Madawg Painterofdark
   A Fluxarchy!!!
 
 One part of Fluxus belongs to history, but another
 part still thrives today.
 Maybe we can think of Fluxus as being like a
 monarchy. Monarchs come and go.
 Kings and Queens are crowned and die. But the
 monarchy lives on. Fluxus is
 dead. Long live Fluxus!
 
 Allan Revich
 
 
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 --- brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  could this be a part of reason as to why Fluxus
 founders/elders might
  consider that Fluxus as an art movement is  dead ?
 
  not to erect a pretense or framing of Fluxus as a
 group, but once any
  semblance of structure is razed then Fluxus might
 as well be a pot of
  stewed cabbage, or a Name-A-Day thing...now that
 might be Fluxus,  if
  recognized as such .
 
 
  brian
  'Bear of little brain triumphs over adversity.'
 
 
  it sounds like you are saying-as my mother likes
 top
 say-- fluxus is of the people. Yes -I am here to say
 that Fluxus is main stream - it diminishes it, how?
 yours
 Dawg
 
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Re: FLUXLIST: by the way-I disagree with Owen

2006-07-15 Thread Madawg Painterofdark


--- brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 could this be a part of reason as to why Fluxus
 founders/elders might
 consider that Fluxus as an art movement is  dead ?
 
 not to erect a pretense or framing of Fluxus as a
 group, but once any
 semblance of structure is razed then Fluxus might as
 well be
 a pot of stewed cabbage, or a Name-A-Day thing...now
 that might be
 Fluxus,  if recognized as such .
 
 
 brian
 'Bear of little brain triumphs over adversity.'
 
 
 it sounds like you are saying-as my mother likes top
say-- fluxus is of the people. Yes -I am here to say
that Fluxus is main stream - it diminishes it, how? 
yours
Dawg

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RE: FLUXLIST: by the way-I disagree with Owen

2006-07-15 Thread Allan Revich



My 2 Cents Worth:
I'm not certain thatMadawgcompletely disagrees 
with Owen Smith - even though she says she does. He does not put forward a 
definitive "take it or leave it" view on the matter in either his recent 
communications or in his book.His book title, Fluxus: The History of 
an Attitude seems to sum it up quite nicely. Fluxus was an attitude, and as 
such there was (and is) considerable latitude within that attitude. The history 
of that attitude is what Fluxus was - and the living 
continuation of that attitude is what Fluxus is - and is what 
Fluxus will continue to be.I don't think that there has to be only 
one accepted definition of Fluxus, nor is it necessary for Fluxus 
definitions to exist on an "either/or" basis. Even during the Fluxus formative 
years there were schisms and disagreements over what Fluxus was or wasn't, over 
what works were Fluxus and what works were not, and over which artists 
wereFluxus and which artists weren't. 
Like Madawg I agree that one does not 
need to be "anointed or appointed" to be Fluxus, however I also think that one 
must have a pretty goodunderstanding of what Fluxus was, and of what 
Fluxus is, before one can call oneself Fluxus with any claim to legitimacy. I.E. 
People who believe that Fluxus no longer exists would probably not accept 
anybody working today as a "Fluxus Artist". People who believe 
that Fluxus art continues to be made today would likely accept 
anyonecreating workwith a Fluxus attitude and working in Fluxus 
media as a"Fluxus Artist". But if somebody who didn't have any understanding of 
Fluxus at all was to claim thathe was aFluxus Artist, based only on 
his facility in painting impressionist-style landscapes, I doubt that anybody 
would seriously consider the claim to be valid.
One part of Fluxus belongs to history, but another part 
still thrives today. Maybe we can think of Fluxus as being like a monarchy. 
Monarchs come and go. Kings and Queens are crowned and die. But the monarchy 
lives on. Fluxus is dead. Long live Fluxus!
Allan Revich
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Owen--- brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: could this be a part of reason as to why Fluxus 
founders/elders might consider that Fluxus as an art movement is 
dead ? not to erect a pretense or framing of Fluxus as a group, 
but once any semblance of structure is razed then Fluxus might as well 
be a pot of stewed cabbage, or a Name-A-Day thing...now that might be 
Fluxus, if recognized as such . 
brian 'Bear of little brain triumphs over 
adversity.'it sounds like you are saying-as my mother 
likes topsay-- fluxus is of the people. Yes -I am here to saythat Fluxus 
is main stream - it diminishes it, 
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Re: FLUXLIST: by the way-I disagree with Owen

2006-07-12 Thread Madawg Painterofdark

I think anything anyone wants to be Fluxus IS
Fluxus-if they say or think so.

Also-I guess I was sorry to hear that Secret Fluxus
broke up

Dawg

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Re: FLUXLIST: by the way-I disagree with Owen

2006-07-12 Thread brian

could this be a part of reason as to why Fluxus founders/elders might
consider that Fluxus as an art movement is  dead ?

not to erect a pretense or framing of Fluxus as a group, but once any
semblance of structure is razed then Fluxus might as well be
a pot of stewed cabbage, or a Name-A-Day thing...now that might be
Fluxus,  if recognized as such .


brian
'Bear of little brain triumphs over adversity.'