Re: Age and Language (was Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?)

2011-06-15 Thread BGB
On 6/14/2011 9:50 PM, Dethe Elza wrote: On 2011-06-14, at 9:36 PM, Julian Leviston wrote: The thing that irritates me about this attitude of don't consider kids as equal is that we DO consider them as equal in other frames... we expect so much of them in terms of linguistic and cognitive

Re: Age and Language (was Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?)

2011-06-15 Thread Tristan Slominski
but, yeah... being young, time seems to go by very slowly, and just sitting around fiddling with something, one accomplishes a lot of stuff in a relatively short period of time. as one gets older though, time goes by ever faster, and one can observe that less and less happens in a given

RE: [fonc] Consolidation and collaboration

2011-06-15 Thread Carl Gundel
Why not use a wiki to collaborate and organize thoughts and information? -Carl From: fonc-boun...@vpri.org [mailto:fonc-boun...@vpri.org] On Behalf Of CHM de Beer Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:21 AM To: fonc@vpri.org Subject: [fonc] Consolidation and collaboration Hello fonc

Re: [fonc] Consolidation and collaboration

2011-06-15 Thread Erik Terpstra
That was also what I was thinking. In fact the suggestion of Marius reminds me of the combination of ad-hoc documentation and discussion that is happening on the c2.com wiki, see for example this article about documenting Alan Kay's definition of OO:

Re: [fonc] Consolidation and collaboration

2011-06-15 Thread Ian Piumarta
Would there be value in a platform for us to; capture all the ideas and initiatives, distil them into groups, reduce them to a handful concepts to explore, and finally focus all our efforts on. I believe so, for all definitions of platform. Back in 196x, we considered this, but elected to

Re: [fonc] Consolidation and collaboration

2011-06-15 Thread Dethe Elza
On 2011-06-15, at 8:55 AM, Ian Piumarta wrote: If a wiki is the kind of database you had in mind, please feel free to make use of: http://vpri.org/fonc_wiki Thanks for setting this up, Ian. When I go to Log in/ create account I don't see any way to actually create an account. I tried both

Re: [fonc] Consolidation and collaboration

2011-06-15 Thread Casey Ransberger
+1 For an example of how wonderful and also not-Wikipedia this can be, check out: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?PortlandPatternRepository If you haven't seen this yet, it's the best wiki ever, a sprawling hyperlinked conversation that covers just about every concept in programming, with lots of

Re: [fonc] Consolidation and collaboration

2011-06-15 Thread Max OrHai
Thank Ward Cunningham, nearly fifteen years ago, long before the appearance of Jimmy Wales and his ilk. Of course, the idea of a Pattern Language is due to Christopher Alexander, in the seventies. And as for where he got it...

Re: [fonc] Consolidation and collaboration

2011-06-15 Thread Ian Piumarta
Dethe, When I go to Log in/ create account I don't see any way to actually create an account. Sorry about that. I have enabled account creation. (IIRC it was disabled following the vpri wiki being hacked.) Regards, Ian ___ fonc mailing list

Re: [fonc] Consolidation and collaboration

2011-06-15 Thread david hussman
I believe it is the first wiki and it was created with purpose: allow a community to share ideas on line. iPhone means iTypo - please forgive On Jun 15, 2011, at 13:14, Casey Ransberger casey.obrie...@gmail.com wrote: +1 For an example of how wonderful and also not-Wikipedia this can be,

Re: [fonc] Consolidation and collaboration

2011-06-15 Thread BGB
On 6/15/2011 9:06 AM, Dethe Elza wrote: On 2011-06-15, at 8:55 AM, Ian Piumarta wrote: If a wiki is the kind of database you had in mind, please feel free to make use of: http://vpri.org/fonc_wiki Thanks for setting this up, Ian. When I go to Log in/ create account I don't see any way to

[fonc] Narrative Interfaces

2011-06-15 Thread C. Scott Ananian
We're having some invited talks this Friday at One Laptop per Child's offices on Narrative Interfaces. Full talk description here: http://cananian.livejournal.com/64747.html I've been working on building a small modular growable direct system along the lines of several others discussed on

Re: [fonc] Consolidation and collaboration

2011-06-15 Thread Frederick Grose
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Ian Piumarta piuma...@speakeasy.netwrote: Dethe, When I go to Log in/ create account I don't see any way to actually create an account. Sorry about that. I have enabled account creation. (IIRC it was disabled following the vpri wiki being hacked.)

Re: [fonc] Narrative Interfaces

2011-06-15 Thread Dethe Elza
On 2011-06-15, at 2:44 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: The talks will be live-streamed and also available for download after the event. I hope the audience here finds the topic of interest. --scott Very interested, thanks for the links! --Dethe ___

Re: Waterbear announcement (was Re: Age and Language (was Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?))

2011-06-15 Thread Dethe Elza
On 2011-06-15, at 3:42 PM, Dale Schumacher wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Dethe Elza de...@livingcode.org wrote: In fact, I'm interested enough in the block structure visualization that I've been porting just the blocks, without the Scratch semantics and runtime, to the web. You

Re: [fonc] Narrative Interfaces

2011-06-15 Thread Alan Kay
Great subject and looks very interesting! Cheers, Alan From: C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org Sent: Wed, June 15, 2011 2:44:56 PM Subject: [fonc] Narrative Interfaces We're having some invited talks this

Re: Waterbear announcement (was Re: Age and Language (was Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?))

2011-06-15 Thread Steve Wart
I like it. My son is very keen on Scratch (although he prefers Lua these days), but we picked up an Arduino kit last month, and I'm looking forward to playing with that. His eyes kind of glazed over looking at the C code, as simple as it is for Arduino. I got the impression he was just happy to

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-06-15 Thread K. K. Subramaniam
On Monday 13 Jun 2011 8:47:49 PM Alan Kay wrote: It would be great if everyone on this list would think deeply about how to have an eternal system, and only be amplified by it. The picture I had in mind was a interconnection of systems that grow in an interdependent way by absorbing

Re: Waterbear announcement (was Re: Age and Language (was Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?))

2011-06-15 Thread Steve Wart
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Dethe Elza de...@livingcode.org wrote: Glad you like it. How old is your son? Maybe we should organize a Vancouver Geek Kids, or meet up at Maker Faire next week. Or there is this: http://www.tedxkidsbc.com/ TEDx kids looks wonderful - thanks for that link.