In response to a long-dormant thread ... Fisher's thesis seems to have
surfaced on the web:
http://reports-archive.adm.cs.cmu.edu/anon/anon/usr/ftp/usr0/ftp/scan/CMU-CS-70-fisher.pdf
-- Dirk
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Monty Zukowski mo...@codetransform.comwrote:
If anyone finds an
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Dirk Pranke dpra...@chromium.org wrote:
In response to a long-dormant thread ... Fisher's thesis seems to have
surfaced on the web:
(hopefully I did not just violate some form of copyright ...)
-- Dirk
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fonc
That's it -- a real classic!
Cheers,
Alan
From: Dirk Pranke dpra...@chromium.org
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org; mo...@codetransform.com
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Kernel Maru
In response to a long-dormant
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*Sent:* Monday, March 25, 2013 11:18 PM
*Subject:* Re: [fonc] Kernel Maru
In response to a long-dormant thread ... Fisher's thesis seems to have
surfaced on the web:
http://reports-archive.adm.cs.cmu.edu/anon/anon/usr/ftp/usr0/ftp/scan/CMU-CS-70-fisher.pdf
25, 2013 11:18 PM
*Subject:* Re: [fonc] Kernel Maru
In response to a long-dormant thread ... Fisher's thesis seems to have
surfaced on the web:
http://reports-archive.adm.cs.cmu.edu/anon/anon/usr/ftp/usr0/ftp/scan/CMU-CS-70-fisher.pdf
-- Dirk
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Monty
: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Kernel Maru
This is great!
Dirk - how did you find it?
Duncan.
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 6:09 AM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote:
That's it -- a real classic!
Cheers,
Alan
From: Dirk Pranke dpra
Absolutely ditto.
In order to understand Kernel and $vau, I tried reconstructing it using my
favourite prototyping language (Lua). Far from complete, but enough to define
'define', 'if' etc.; for me pretty amazing that it works at all. Of course
it's easier, since Lua already supports higher
PM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Kernel Maru
It depends what your goals are. If you want to automatically derive an IDE
from a grammar then the best work is the Synthesizer Generator but it is
limited to absolutely noncircular attribute grammars IIRC. But it had wicked
cool features like incremental
--
*From:* John Zabroski johnzabro...@gmail.com
*To:* Florin Mateoc fmat...@yahoo.com; Fundamentals of New Computing
fonc@vpri.org
*Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 3:59 PM
*Subject:* Re: [fonc] Kernel Maru
It depends what your goals are. If you want to automatically derive an IDE
from
Yes, that was part of Tom's work ...
Cheers,
Alan
From: John Zabroski johnzabro...@gmail.com
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org; Alan Kay
alan.n...@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Kernel Maru
What does
PM
*Subject:* Re: [fonc] Kernel Maru
By the way, I think you are referring to the work done by Reps's thesis
advisor, Tim Teitelbaum, and his Cornell Program Synthesizer. Teitelbaum
and Reps still work together to this day. Over a year ago I e-mailed Reps
asking, Why did the Synthesizer
From: Monty Zukowski mo...@codetransform.com
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Kernel Maru
Thank you everyone for the great references. I've got some homework
to do now...
Monty
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 2
If anyone finds an electronic copy of Fisher's thesis I'd love to know
about it. My searches have been fruitless.
The title is not the same, but maybe these are variants of the same paper?
http://dl.acm.org/author_page.cfm?id=81100550987coll=DLdl=ACMtrk=0cfid=76786786cftoken=53955875
Subject: Re: [fonc] Kernel Maru
Thank you everyone for the great references. I've got some homework
to do now...
Monty
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Ian Piumarta piuma...@speakeasy.net
wrote:
Extending Alan's comments...
A small, well explained, and easily understandable example
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Kernel Maru
If anyone finds an electronic copy of Fisher's thesis I'd love to know
about it. My searches have been fruitless.
The title is not the same, but maybe these are variants of the same paper?
http://dl.acm.org
Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Kernel Maru
This one seems to be available as a technical report as well:
http://infolab.stanford.edu/TR/CS-TR-65-20.html
Monty
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:44 AM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote:
One more
: Florin Mateoc fmat...@yahoo.com
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Kernel Maru
Yes, these threads are little gems by themselves, thank you!
I hope I am not straying too much from the main topic when asking about what
I
,
Alan
From: Shawn Morel shawnmo...@me.com
To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com; Fundamentals of New Computing
fonc@vpri.org
Cc: Florin Mateoc fmat...@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Kernel Maru
This thread is a real treasure
Here's something else by David Fisher that I found online:
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA240565
*Title : *Languages Beyond Ada and Lisp
*Descriptive Note : *Final technical rept. 22 Sep 1988-30 Jun 1991
*Corporate Author : *INCREMENTAL SYSTEMS CORP PITTSBURGH PA
*Personal
fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Kernel Maru
Dear Julian,
On Apr 9, 2012, at 19:40 , Julian Leviston wrote:
Also, simply, what are the semantic inadequacies of LISP that the Maru
paper refers to (http://piumarta.com/freeco11/freeco11-piumarta-oecm.pdf
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Monty Zukowski mo...@codetransform.comwrote:
If anyone finds an electronic copy of Fisher's thesis I'd love to know
about it. My searches have been fruitless.
The title is not the same, but maybe these are variants of the same paper?
Yes, it looks like this is it. $37 for a PDF. Thanks!
CONTROL STRUCTURES FOR PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES
by FISHER, DAVID ALLEN, Ph.D., Carnegie Mellon University, 1970, 215
pages; AAT 7021590
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Duncan Mak duncan...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 2:34 PM,
It doesn't look like any of the libraries near me hold it, but here you go:
http://www.worldcat.org/title/control-structures-for-programming-languages/oclc/4335223referer=brief_results
http://www.worldcat.org/title/control-structures-for-programming-languages/oclc/82223524referer=brief_results
Extending Alan's comments...
A small, well explained, and easily understandable example of an iterative
implementation of a recursive language (Scheme) can be found in R. Kent
Dybvig's Ph.D. thesis.
http://www.cs.unm.edu/~williams/cs491/three-imp.pdf
Regards,
Ian
I started on this yesterday when I received your email Ian, and I just wanted
to say thank you (and Alan, too) very much for responding.
I'm still interested in what your thoughts on Kernel are (and Arc, too,
actually) sometime if you have a couple of moments to pen them...
Julian
On
Thank you everyone for the great references. I've got some homework
to do now...
Monty
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Ian Piumarta piuma...@speakeasy.net wrote:
Extending Alan's comments...
A small, well explained, and easily understandable example of an iterative
implementation of a
Dear Julian,
On Apr 9, 2012, at 19:40 , Julian Leviston wrote:
Also, simply, what are the semantic inadequacies of LISP that the Maru
paper refers to (http://piumarta.com/freeco11/freeco11-piumarta-oecm.pdf)? I
read the footnoted article (The Influence of the Designer on the Design—J.
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