On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Paul Homer paul_ho...@yahoo.ca wrote:
If we flip that, and consider the data as the primary element, then we can
look for ideas that essentially make the code trivial. Users enter data, the
system stores data, and we want to analyze the data. The code can be
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From: BGB cr88...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [fonc] Last programming language
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Received: Monday, July 18, 2011, 6:28 AM
On 7/18/2011 2:56 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote:
Smells like Kool-Aide. I smell bullshit. Dude is selling a book tour
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Ken 'classmaker' Ritchie
classma...@gmail.com wrote:
Break the program free from its representation? How, other than by
transforming one representation to another? Actually, certain
transformations might yield great benefits, in perception or execution!
On 7/19/2011 8:24 AM, Ondřej Bílka wrote:
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 05:16:24AM -0700, Casey Ransberger wrote:
Even if it were possible to have a last language, it would be double plus
ungood.
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Paul Homer[1]paul_ho...@yahoo.ca
wrote:
Realistically,
, 2011 11:31:11 AM
*Subject:* [fonc] Last programming language
Hi
Here is a interesting video about programming languages
http://skillsmatter.com/podcast/agile-testing/bobs-last-language
Karl
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Memorizing Pi is a dumb old trick, like ripping a phone book in half. I can
memorize Pi, I mean if I wanted to spend my time that way, but it's all a
dodge: I'm just ripping a phone book in half, and the whole trick is to twist
it just so that the entire heroic thing only ever happens over a
The root idea behind what I wrote years ago was that we often think that our
way to keep up is by going up to a higher abstraction. Instead, I thought it
might be possible to go sideways. Thus the computer builds us systems from
many smaller pieces that are interchangeable, rather than us
On Jul 18, 2011, at 6:50 PM, David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com wrote:
It would be nice if more programming languages were formal. Quite a few make
us play 'guess the semantics'.
Personally I feel the exact opposite way. I wish programming was less formal
and ridgid. Real progress would be
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 4:25 PM, David Goehrig d...@nexttolast.com wrote:
While some level of formalism will be useful when discussing
the behavior and specification of this system, it should not be a
prerequisite for use.
Yeah, that I agree with. Or more precisely: a developer should need
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:18 PM, David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, that I agree with. Or more precisely: a developer should need to be
educated in the system's formalism in order to effectively develop.
Oops, I dropped the negative. This is meant to be 'should not'.
Hi
Here is a interesting video about programming languages
http://skillsmatter.com/podcast/agile-testing/bobs-last-language
Karl
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The video sparked some interesting discussion at LtU.
http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4312
Bob Martin's argument is not credible, though. He cherry-picks his example
languages, and the attributes from those languages. He ignores the troubles
with concurrency, and the future needs for
That talk would have been a whole lot better if he had grounded it
with a discussion of how constraints are good for creativity. It's how
he should have spent the time where he went on about memorizing Pi for
no good reason...
-C
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I gave him 15 minutes and bailed. Interesting what people are willing to
sit through.
Cheers,
Bob
On 7/17/11 2:31 PM, karl ramberg wrote:
Hi
Here is a interesting video about programming languages
http://skillsmatter.com/podcast/agile-testing/bobs-last-language
Karl
I couldn't handle his condescending attitude towards goto statements.
I might not use them very often but when you need one there is nothing better.
-David Leibs
On Jul 17, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Craig Latta wrote:
That talk would have been a whole lot better if he had grounded it
with a
On 7/17/2011 2:33 PM, Craig Latta wrote:
That talk would have been a whole lot better if he had grounded it
with a discussion of how constraints are good for creativity. It's how
he should have spent the time where he went on about memorizing Pi for
no good reason...
if memorizing pie is
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Craig Latta cr...@netjam.org wrote:
That talk would have been a whole lot better if he had grounded it
with a discussion of how constraints are good for creativity. It's how
he should have spent the time where he went on about memorizing Pi for
no good
On 7/17/2011 2:46 PM, David Leibs wrote:
I couldn't handle his condescending attitude towards goto statements.
I might not use them very often but when you need one there is nothing better.
generally agreed...
it is not for no reason that languages like C# still have them, despite
being
On 7/17/2011 3:39 PM, Derek Kulinski wrote:
Hello BGB,
Sunday, July 17, 2011, 2:51:40 PM, you wrote:
for example, if/while/for/... don't mean goto shouldn't exist in a
language or should be branded as evil as a result, rather they provide
better alternatives such that things like goto are
Heh... that talk didn't recieve a very warm welcome over at Lambda the
Ultimate either. My favorite comment was the idea that AI could advance to
the point where the final programming language may end up being English. I
guess that means programmers in the future will be politicians? :)
On 7/17/2011 5:18 PM, Karl Robillard wrote:
Heh... that talk didn't recieve a very warm welcome over at Lambda the
Ultimate either. My favorite comment was the idea that AI could advance to
the point where the final programming language may end up being English. I
guess that means programmers
What the one-celled microbes said before the Cambrian ...
From: karl ramberg karlramb...@gmail.com
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Sun, July 17, 2011 11:31:11 AM
Subject: [fonc] Last programming language
Hi
Here is a interesting video
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