From: Jeff Gonis jeff.go...@gmail.commailto:jeff.go...@gmail.com
To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.commailto:alan.n...@yahoo.com
Cc: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.orgmailto:fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message
: Jeff Gonis jeff.go...@gmail.com
To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com
Cc: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented
I see no one has taken Alan's bait and asked the million
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:33:04AM -0700, Jeff Gonis wrote:
I see no one has taken Alan's bait and asked the million dollar question:
if you decided that messaging is no longer the right path for scaling, what
approach are you currently using?
Classical computation doesn't allow storing
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Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 5:11 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:33:04AM -0700, Jeff Gonis wrote:
I see no one has taken Alan's bait and asked the million dollar
,
Alan
From: Jeff Gonis jeff.go...@gmail.com
To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com
Cc: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented
I see no one
:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:09 AM
*Subject:* Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented
Hello,
as I was thinking over these problems today, here are some initial
thoughts,
just to get the conversation going...
The first time I read about the Method Finder and Ted's memo, I
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To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com; Fundamentals of New Computing
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Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented
This sounds suspiciously like Unit Testing, which is basically When I say
this, you should
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*Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:09 AM
*Subject:* Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented
Hello,
as I was thinking over these problems
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*Subject:* Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message
Oriented
Hello,
as I was thinking over these problems today, here are some initial
thoughts
, 2013 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc]
Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented
Hello,
as I was thinking over these problems today, here are some initial
thoughts,
just to get the conversation going...
The first time I read about the Method Finder and Ted's memo, I tried
to grasp
the broader
This question was prompted by a quote by Joe Armstrong about OOP[1].
It is for Alan Kay, but I'm totally fine with a relevant link. Also,
I don't know and I don't have time for this are perfectly okay.
Alan, when the term Object oriented you coined has been hijacked by
Java and Co, you made
to get needed resources from the
outside needed to be invented.
Cheers,
Alan
From: Loup Vaillant l...@loup-vaillant.fr
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 7:15 AM
Subject: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs
[mailto:fonc-boun...@vpri.org] On Behalf Of Alan Kay
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:23 AM
To: Fundamentals of New Computing
Subject: Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented
Hi Loup
I think how this happened has already been described in The Early History of
Smalltalk
Alan Kay a écrit :
Hi Loup
I think how this happened has already been described in The Early
History of Smalltalk.
But
[Incredibly detailed and thoughtful response]
Whoa. Thank you.
Loup
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Hi!
On 02/12/2013 04:15 PM, Loup Vaillant wrote:
This question was prompted by a quote by Joe Armstrong about OOP[1].
Sidenote, the article Joe wrote on OO which I subsequently bashed:
http://goran.krampe.se/2009/06/26/joe-is-wrong/
...but I met him later and he knows OO quite well these
Alan Kay wrote:
A little more history ...
The first Smalltalk (-72) was modern (as used below), and similar to
Erlang in several ways -- for example, messages were received with
structure and pattern matching, etc. The language was extended using
the same mechanisms ...
Alan,
As I recall,
: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented
Independently of the originally-directed historical intent, I'll pose my own
quick perspective.
Perhaps a contrast with Steve Yegge's Kingdom of Nouns essay would help:
http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/03/execution-in-kingdom
Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented
Alan Kay wrote:
A little more history ...
The first Smalltalk (-72) was modern (as used below
11:05 AM
*Subject:* Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message
Oriented
Alan Kay wrote:
A little more history ...
The first Smalltalk (-72) was modern (as used below), and
similar to Erlang in several ways -- for example, messages were
received
John Carlson wrote:
Is there a computer language (yes I realize games do this) that work
like human languages? With features like misdirection,
misinterpretation, volume, persuasion? Can we come up with a social
language for computers? No, I'm not talking lojban, I'm talking
something
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