Re: [Forum-Pembaca-KOMPAS] Re: Landmarks Commission di US mengizinkan pembangunan mesjid di groud zero

2010-08-11 Terurut Topik Rachmat Gerhantara
mungkin sebelum mencela ditelaah dulu beritanya... :)
itu bukan didirikan di ground zero lho...
tapi 2 blok dari ground zero... :)

soal perang?
ah ngga usah diomonginlah, banyak kok yang haus darah lainnya.
tapi memang Islam emang isu yang paling panas dekade ini... :)
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Pada 5 Agustus 2010 23.13, marthajan04 marthaja...@yahoo.com menulis:



 padahal yang minoritas itu (muslim yang melakukan atas dasar ajaran
 agamanya) yang bunuh 3000 jiwa. dan di Indonesia yang mayoritas itu (muslim
 yang juga melakukan berdasarkan ajaran agamanya)yang bunuh lebih dari 3 juta
 jiwa (th.1965).
 Terus terang saya sih ikutan menentang pendirian mesjid di ground zero ini.
 Tidak menghormati mereka yang jadi korban.
 sekarang mereka mau membersihkan diri.
 dimana sih ada negara islam tidak haus darah? perang terus. musuh luar
 habis mereka memerangi kaum sendiri.

 mj




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RE: [Forum-Pembaca-KOMPAS] Re: Landmarks Commission di US mengizinkan pembangunan mesjid di groud zero

2010-08-11 Terurut Topik Ridwan Nyak Baik
Kang RG;

Soal haus darah gak usah ditanggapi karena itu masalah basi sebab hampir 
seluruh pelosok dunia dan sepanjang sejarah peradaban yang demikian ada 
dimana-mana. Konon, itu warisan Habil untuk keturunannya. 

Menanggapi hal itu bisa-bisa mengurangi  nilai puasa kita..karena masuk 
kategori diskusi percuma. 

Selamat ngabuburit we

Tabik;

RnB

 

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pembangunan mesjid di groud zero

mungkin sebelum mencela ditelaah dulu beritanya... :)
itu bukan didirikan di ground zero lho...
tapi 2 blok dari ground zero... :)

soal perang?
ah ngga usah diomonginlah, banyak kok yang haus darah lainnya.
tapi memang Islam emang isu yang paling panas dekade ini... :)
--
Rachmat Gerhantara
664/SPA/01

YM : Mamat_664 GTalk : eclipsebeat
twitter n plurk : Gerhantara
flickr : http://bit.ly/gerhantara

Pada 5 Agustus 2010 23.13, marthajan04 marthaja...@yahoo.com 
mailto:marthajan04%40yahoo.com  menulis:



 padahal yang minoritas itu (muslim yang melakukan atas dasar ajaran
 agamanya) yang bunuh 3000 jiwa. dan di Indonesia yang mayoritas itu (muslim
 yang juga melakukan berdasarkan ajaran agamanya)yang bunuh lebih dari 3 juta
 jiwa (th.1965).
 Terus terang saya sih ikutan menentang pendirian mesjid di ground zero ini.
 Tidak menghormati mereka yang jadi korban.
 sekarang mereka mau membersihkan diri.
 dimana sih ada negara islam tidak haus darah? perang terus. musuh luar
 habis mereka memerangi kaum sendiri.

 mj



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Re: [Forum-Pembaca-KOMPAS] Re: Landmarks Commission di US mengizinkan pembangunan mesjid di groud zero

2010-08-05 Terurut Topik Joe D Santos
BACA  TUH yang otaknya kaya kotak Buka yang lebar matanya. Heran deh
gw... Apa sih yang di pikirin??
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: manneke budiman
Date: 08/04/10 10:41:22
To: Forum-Pembaca-Kompas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Forum-Pembaca-KOMPAS] Re: Landmarks Commission di US mengizinkan
pembangunan mesjid di groud zero
 
  


Seandainya saja penguasa Indonesia bisa bersikap dewasa dan tegas seperti
ini dalam mengayomi dan melindungi kaum minoritas beragama.
 
Tanpa memedulikan protes dari kaum konservatif, Landmarks Commission kota NY
beserta walikotanya membela rencana pembangunan mesjid di bekas reruntuhan
WTC di NY. Baca argumentasi dan rasional mereka, sungguh mengharukan.
 
Beda 180 derajat dengan sikap para penguasa di negeri ini, dari presidennya
sampai bupati dan walikotanya :(
 
manneke
 
Panel's landmark denial frees NY mosque site 

 

34 minutes ago 

By Karen Matthews, The Associated Press

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NEW YORK, N.Y. - Ignoring jeers and cries of Shame on you, a city
commission on Tuesday denied landmark status to a building near the World
Trade Center site that can now be demolished to make way for an Islamic
community centre and mosque.

 
The Landmarks Preservation Commission said in voting 9-0 that the
152-year-old building isn't distinctive enough to qualify as a landmark. 
 
This is not a building of special esthetic character, said Commissioner
Diana Chapin, echoing the remarks of her colleagues.

 
The property is two blocks north of the site of the World Trade Center,
which was destroyed in Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. Landmarks
Commissioner Stephen Byrns said the building's proximity to the site, and
the fact that it was struck by airplane debris during the attacks, does not
qualify it as a landmark.

 
The proposed mosque has emerged as a national political issue, with
prominent Republicans from Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to former House Speaker
Newt Gingrich lining up against it. The Anti-Defamation League, the nation's
most prominent Jewish civil rights group, also opposes it.

 
Former Rep. Rick Lazio, a Republican who is running for governor of New York
 attended the commission meeting and criticized the group that is building
the mosque, the Cordoba Initiative. 
 
This is not about religion, Lazio said. It's about this particular mosque
called the Cordoba Mosque, it's about it being at ground zero, it's about it
being spearheaded by an imam who has associated himself with radical Islamic
causes and has made comments that should chill every single American,
frankly.

 
Lazio said the group's imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf, had refused to call the
Palestinian group Hamas a terrorist organization. Rauf also had said in a 
60 Minutes interview televised shortly after 9/11 that United States
policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.
 

Cordoba Initiative staff members did not immediately answer an email seeking
a response to Lazio's comments.
 

Daisy Khan, executive director of the American Society for Muslim
Advancement, was quoted in The Wall Street Journal on Tuesday as saying the
centre's board will include members of other religions and will explore
including an interfaith chapel at the centre.

We want to repair the breach and be at the front and centre to start the
healing, said Khan, a partner in the building and the wife of the imam.
 

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, speaking on Governor's Island against
the backdrop of the Statue of Liberty, praised the commission's ruling.

 
This building is private property and the owners have a right to use the
building as a house of worship, Bloomberg said. The government has no
right whatsoever to deny that right, and if it were tried, the court would
almost certainly strike it down as a violation of the U.S. constitution.

 
Bloomberg said the firefighters and other first responders who died in the
2001 attacks had done so to protect the constitution. To deny religious
freedom to Muslims would play into the terrorists' hands, he said. In
rushing into those burning buildings, not one asked, 'What god do you pray
to? What beliefs do you hold?' Bloomberg said of the first responders. We
do not honour their lives by denying the very constitutional rights they
died protecting.

 
The commission's decision not to designate the existing building as a
landmark means that the developers can tear it down and start from scratch.
If the building had been declared a landmark, they could have created a
smaller mosque and community centre there.

 
SoHo Properties, a partner in the project, purchased the property for nearly
$5 million. Early plans call for a 13-story, $100 million