Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

> Le 14 juin 2018 à 22:47, Warren Young a écrit : > >> having to have browser tabs open for dozens of web forums > > I bookmark all of the sites I need to go to regularly and place them in a > folder in my browser’s bookmark bar so that I can open them all at once with > a Cmd- or Ctrl-Click

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

> Le 14 juin 2018 à 22:30, Thomas a écrit : > > Web forums are much more superior than mailing lists, in any possible > direction. > There's nothing a mailing list can provide a forum can't, since it doesn't > exclude email notifications. > However, there's loads of benefits a forum provides a

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

> Le 14 juin 2018 à 22:23, Thomas a écrit : > >> Mailing list messages are easily filtered. >> I have one mailbox for each mailing list I subscribe to, and I read through >> the messages in list order, which makes it easy to mentally switch gears >> from one project to the next. > > Most

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Jun 14, 2018, at 9:34 PM, Warren Young wrote: > > maybe full SMTP support in Fossil wouldn’t be justified, and it would require > integration with a local MTA instead, to push the burden off to the other > component. That wouldn’t be very Fossil, but it would be pragmatic. On second

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Jun 14, 2018, at 9:05 PM, Shal Farley wrote: > > On 2018-06-14 1:47 PM, Warren Young wrote: > >> Would you rather see drh spending time fighting spam or writing useful >> software? > I think that's the best reason for outsourcing the mailing list problem Agreed, which is why I’ve also been

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 2018-06-14 1:47 PM, Warren Young wrote: I’m not aware of any mailing list that doesn’t require a password, if only via some outer SSO provider. Such a thing would be a spammer’s paradise, if it existed. In Groups.io creating and using a password is optional, because

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 14/06/18 18:07, Thomas wrote: > On 2018-06-14 23:19, Warren Young wrote: >> I just checked, and for the flight I’ll be on, it’ll cost me about >> 1/10 the monthly cost of my residential Internet service, per >> device.  If I want to use my phone, tablet, and laptop, that’s 3/10 >> my monthly

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On 2018-06-14 23:19, Warren Young wrote: I just checked, and for the flight I’ll be on, it’ll cost me about 1/10 the monthly cost of my residential Internet service, per device. If I want to use my phone, tablet, and laptop, that’s 3/10 my monthly cost for a few hours of terrible service.

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Jun 14, 2018, at 3:36 PM, Thomas wrote: > > On 2018-06-14 22:21, Warren Young wrote: >> I expect to have no Internet access in the plane I will be aboard shortly. > > I'm not aware of any airline that doesn't provide internet access on > long-haul flights. Is there still one left? I just

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In that case I'm sorry that your email replies to a mailing list will be outdated by the time you'll reach civilisation again. Better don't reply then. On 2018-06-14 22:38, Roy Keene wrote: Yes.  Quite a lot. On Thu, 14 Jun 2018, Thomas wrote: On 2018-06-14 22:21, Warren Young wrote: I

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

Yes. Quite a lot. On Thu, 14 Jun 2018, Thomas wrote: On 2018-06-14 22:21, Warren Young wrote: I expect to have no Internet access in the plane I will be aboard shortly. I'm not aware of any airline that doesn't provide internet access on long-haul flights. Is there still one left?

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On 2018-06-14 22:21, Warren Young wrote: I expect to have no Internet access in the plane I will be aboard shortly. I'm not aware of any airline that doesn't provide internet access on long-haul flights. Is there still one left? ___ fossil-users

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 2018-06-14 22:21, Warren Young wrote: What of the other direction? People like Jörg are more likely to be answering questions than asking them. Why not write answers while offline, then sync the answers when back on-network? Email lists, Usenet, and my proposed Fossil Forum Feature

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Jun 14, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Thomas wrote: > > On 2018-06-14 21:47, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: >> I've had to deal with my share of fori. Frankly, they all suck for power >> users, often badly. While mailing lists do tend to be a bit more >> annoying than newsgroups, they nevertheless share the

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http://rkeene.org/viewer/tmp/email.png.htm :-) And yes, this is my primary MUA -- not something I setup to reply to this email. On Thu, 14 Jun 2018, Thomas wrote: On 2018-06-14 20:51, John Long wrote: A decent email client can run on a terminal, over ssh or telnet, etc. and can handle all

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 2018-06-14 21:47, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: I've had to deal with my share of fori. Frankly, they all suck for power users, often badly. While mailing lists do tend to be a bit more annoying than newsgroups, they nevertheless share the majority of advantages. Offline access, decent filtering

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 2018-06-14 21:40, jungle Boogie wrote: On 14 June 2018 at 13:30, Thomas wrote: Web forums are much more superior than mailing lists, in any possible direction. Ah, yes, superior. https://xkcd.com/979/ At this rate, I suggest we start using reddit more, it's at least more diverse than a

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 09:23:14PM +0100, Thomas wrote: > On 2018-06-14 20:59, Warren Young wrote: > > On Jun 14, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Thomas wrote: > > > > > > no one wants to see all those in their inbox. > > > > Mailing list messages are easily filtered. > > > > I have one mailbox for each

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Jun 14, 2018, at 1:51 PM, John Long wrote: > > having to have browser tabs open for dozens of web forums I bookmark all of the sites I need to go to regularly and place them in a folder in my browser’s bookmark bar so that I can open them all at once with a Cmd- or Ctrl-Click on the

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 14 June 2018 at 13:30, Thomas wrote: > Web forums are much more superior than mailing lists, in any possible > direction. > Ah, yes, superior. https://xkcd.com/979/ At this rate, I suggest we start using reddit more, it's at least more diverse than a single stand alone forum.

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Web forums are much more superior than mailing lists, in any possible direction. There's nothing a mailing list can provide a forum can't, since it doesn't exclude email notifications. However, there's loads of benefits a forum provides a mailing list can't catch up with. That's the

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 2018-06-14 20:59, Warren Young wrote: On Jun 14, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Thomas wrote: no one wants to see all those in their inbox. Mailing list messages are easily filtered. I have one mailbox for each mailing list I subscribe to, and I read through the messages in list order, which makes

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Ha! I can see there are strong opposing opinions for mail vs forum. I find forums more neatly packaged. Mailing lists are not easily browsed or searched for relevant terms. Some run on mail topics are a pain to find the nugget of information desired. Forum responses can have votes or kudos

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On 2018-06-14 20:51, John Long wrote: A decent email client can run on a terminal, over ssh or telnet, etc. and can handle all sorts of filtering and searching. Most mailing lists I just checked the calendar. It's the 21st century here. Not sure how many terminals, telnets or SSH sessions

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Jun 14, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Thomas wrote: > > no one wants to see all those in their inbox. Mailing list messages are easily filtered. I have one mailbox for each mailing list I subscribe to, and I read through the messages in list order, which makes it easy to mentally switch gears from

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Thu, 2018-06-14 at 20:36 +0100, Thomas wrote: > On 2018-06-14 17:47, Roy Keene wrote: > > If it's any conideration, if it's not a mailing list or something > > else > > pushed to me, I'll never see it. A fossil users' forum will never > > get > > checked (pulled) by me since I am just too

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 2018-06-14 17:47, Roy Keene wrote: If it's any conideration, if it's not a mailing list or something else pushed to me, I'll never see it.  A fossil users' forum will never get checked (pulled) by me since I am just too lazy to remember to do so on any regular frequency.  There may be

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Jun 14, 2018, at 10:51 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: > > On 6/14/18, Roy Keene wrote: >> If it's any conideration, if it's not a mailing list or something else >> pushed to me, I'll never see it. > > I agree. Any solution must support email notification. Am working on > that now. But, given

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As someone who rarely posts messages and mostly reads the posts, I wouldn't be affected by requiring posts be done via an authenticated web-based system. RSS may even be an option over email for consuming and it can have links for authenticated posting. I haven't read all the emails on this

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 6/14/18, Roy Keene wrote: > If it's any conideration, if it's not a mailing list or something else > pushed to me, I'll never see it. I agree. Any solution must support email notification. Am working on that now. But, given all the security constraints surrounding email these days, it is a

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 6/14/18, Warren Young wrote: > It might > be that the internal developer discussions use this proposed Fossil Forum > feature and the user discussions are held elsewhere. My plan was to set up an entirely new Fossil repo just to host the Forum for SQLite - a repo that was separate from the

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

If it's any conideration, if it's not a mailing list or something else pushed to me, I'll never see it. A fossil users' forum will never get checked (pulled) by me since I am just too lazy to remember to do so on any regular frequency. There may be others like me who are busy but can

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Jun 14, 2018, at 4:29 AM, Dominique Devienne wrote: > > Last discussion/thread on moving away from MLs on the SQLite list showed a > clear bias > against using a forum over a ML IMHO, especially from long time contributors. > My $0.02... —DD I was one of those arguing in favor of mailing

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On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 12:29:40 +0200 Dominique Devienne wrote: > Still, I like MLs best... If the only issue is the subscription part, > lets fix that only? +1 > Last discussion/thread on moving away from MLs on the SQLite list showed a > clear bias against using a forum over a ML IMHO,

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 9:00 PM Richard Hipp wrote: > Discourse is moving the right direction, I think. [...] > > Does anybody else have any experience with Discourse, good or bad? > We have an internal instance, and I've had good (but limited) experience with it. Editing works well, quoting

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On 6/13/18, Svyatoslav Mishyn wrote: > > Another alternative would be nimforum: > https://github.com/nim-lang/nimforum > It does not appear to have email notification. Unless I overlooked something. -- D. Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org ___ fossil-users

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

(Wed, 13 Jun 14:59) Richard Hipp: > Cross-posted to the fossil-users mailing list since www.fossil-scm.org > and www.sqlite.org are the same machine and both mailing lists are > impacted by the current problem. > > On 6/13/18, Luiz Américo wrote: > > How about using https://www.discourse.org/ ?