Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Jun 14, 2018, at 9:34 PM, Warren Young wrote: > > maybe full SMTP support in Fossil wouldn’t be justified, and it would require > integration with a local MTA instead, to push the burden off to the other > component. That wouldn’t be very Fossil, but it would be pragmatic. On second

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Jun 14, 2018, at 9:05 PM, Shal Farley wrote: > > On 2018-06-14 1:47 PM, Warren Young wrote: > >> Would you rather see drh spending time fighting spam or writing useful >> software? > I think that's the best reason for outsourcing the mailing list problem Agreed, which is why I’ve also been

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 2018-06-14 1:47 PM, Warren Young wrote: I’m not aware of any mailing list that doesn’t require a password, if only via some outer SSO provider. Such a thing would be a spammer’s paradise, if it existed. In Groups.io creating and using a password is optional, because

Re: [fossil-users] Make Tech Notes work like a Lab Notebook

On Jun 14, 2018, at 7:02 PM, Scott Doctor wrote: > > Looking through my current project fossil UI, it seems that instead of adding > a forum module, what about a modification to the Tech Notes module. In the past, I’ve suggested that a forum could be constructed from a combination of the

Re: [fossil-users] Perception of Fossil (dumb idea for pull requests)

On Jun 14, 2018, at 5:50 PM, John P. Rouillard wrote: > > In message <20180614213758.ga7...@britannica.bec.de>, > Joerg Sonnenberger writes: >> >> >> How do I develop a patch locally and send it to someone for review? > > Would some combination of: > > bundle > > published via > > uv

Re: [fossil-users] Mailing list shutting down...

On Jun 14, 2018, at 5:48 PM, bch wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 9:30 AM JH wrote: > > One way to implement that is to incorporate SMTP into Fossil directly. > > Attractive as that may sound, do we really want to be another (near) instance > of Zawinski’s Law? I always had the sense that

Re: [fossil-users] Perception of Fossil

On 6/14/18 4:59 PM, Thomas wrote: Pull requests are not supported, hence the software can't be used for community driven open source. The Tcl/Tk project uses Fossil, and it's a rather large project with a decent-sized community: http://core.tcl.tk/tcl/wiki?name=Index

[fossil-users] Make Tech Notes work like a Lab Notebook

Looking through my current project fossil UI, it seems that instead of adding a forum module, what about a modification to the Tech Notes module. What I need is a way to simply link and group various tech notes, which may span hundreds of notes over long periods of time. I am thinking like

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 14/06/18 18:07, Thomas wrote: > On 2018-06-14 23:19, Warren Young wrote: >> I just checked, and for the flight I’ll be on, it’ll cost me about >> 1/10 the monthly cost of my residential Internet service, per >> device.  If I want to use my phone, tablet, and laptop, that’s 3/10 >> my monthly

Re: [fossil-users] Perception of Fossil

On 2018-06-15 00:32, Chad Perrin wrote: Pull requests are not supported, hence the software can't be used for community driven open source. The pull request interface on GitHub is a feature of GitHub, not of Git. While it would be nice to have a similar feature built into the Fossil web UI,

Re: [fossil-users] Perception of Fossil

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 09:59:12PM +0100, Thomas wrote: > > Pull requests are not supported, hence the software can't be used for > community driven open source. The pull request interface on GitHub is a feature of GitHub, not of Git. While it would be nice to have a similar feature built into

Re: [fossil-users] Perception of Fossil

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 11:04:18PM +0100, Thomas wrote: > > I forgot to mention that self-registration is something that comes along > the same line. I haven't managed to get this working with Fossil yet either. > > As far as I can see until now you got to create an account for every >

Re: [fossil-users] Perception of Fossil (dumb idea for pull requests)

Hi all: In message <20180614213758.ga7...@britannica.bec.de>, Joerg Sonnenberger writes: >On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 04:51:08PM -0400, Ron W wrote: >> In another forum I follow,a commented claims that Fossil is designed for >> "cathedral development" not "bazaar development", so would be of little

Re: [fossil-users] Mailing list shutting down...

On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 9:30 AM JH wrote: > On 06/13/2018 08:11 AM, Warren Young wrote: > > On Jun 13, 2018, at 8:05 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: > >> My current tthinking is to use a hybrid approach where subscribers get > >> emails just like ordinary mailing lists, but posting and replying is > >>

[fossil-users] Mailing list or forum - summary

I'll try to get some summary together. Let's see how I can perform to find all the evidence given so far for a mailing list. As it currently is a mailing list I got all those texts in my inbox and extracted them from there :) Please help me if I overlooked some. Those are some of the

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 2018-06-14 23:19, Warren Young wrote: I just checked, and for the flight I’ll be on, it’ll cost me about 1/10 the monthly cost of my residential Internet service, per device. If I want to use my phone, tablet, and laptop, that’s 3/10 my monthly cost for a few hours of terrible service.

Re: [fossil-users] Perception of Fossil

On 2018-06-14 23:19, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: Can you please just stop trolling? Everyone else, please ignore "Thomas". I wasn't aware that communism has taken over Germany or the US yet. ___ fossil-users mailing list

Re: [fossil-users] Perception of Fossil

On 2018-06-14 23:09, Warren Young wrote: On Jun 14, 2018, at 4:04 PM, Thomas wrote: As far as I can see until now you got to create an account for every contributor yourself. I think that’s a feature in a web service that, currently, has no way to do email verification. Else, spammers

Re: [fossil-users] Perception of Fossil

On 2018-06-14 23:09, Warren Young wrote: On Jun 14, 2018, at 4:04 PM, Thomas wrote: As far as I can see until now you got to create an account for every contributor yourself. I think that’s a feature in a web service that, currently, has no way to do email verification. Else, spammers

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Jun 14, 2018, at 3:36 PM, Thomas wrote: > > On 2018-06-14 22:21, Warren Young wrote: >> I expect to have no Internet access in the plane I will be aboard shortly. > > I'm not aware of any airline that doesn't provide internet access on > long-haul flights. Is there still one left? I just

Re: [fossil-users] Perception of Fossil

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 10:44:24PM +0100, Thomas wrote: > On 2018-06-14 22:37, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: > > How do I develop a patch locally and send it to someone for review? The > > pull request model is kind of stupid and works only for a centralized > > system (the irony...), but integration

Re: [fossil-users] Perception of Fossil

On Jun 14, 2018, at 4:04 PM, Thomas wrote: > As far as I can see until now you got to create an account for every > contributor yourself. I think that’s a feature in a web service that, currently, has no way to do email verification. Else, spammers again. One presumes that if Fossil gets a

Re: [fossil-users] Perception of Fossil

On 2018-06-14 21:59, Thomas wrote: On 2018-06-14 21:51, Ron W wrote: In another forum I follow,a commented claims that Fossil is designed for "cathedral development" not "bazaar development", so would be of little interest to anyone. Unfortunately, the poster did not elaborate on why. Except

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

In that case I'm sorry that your email replies to a mailing list will be outdated by the time you'll reach civilisation again. Better don't reply then. On 2018-06-14 22:38, Roy Keene wrote: Yes.  Quite a lot. On Thu, 14 Jun 2018, Thomas wrote: On 2018-06-14 22:21, Warren Young wrote: I

Re: [fossil-users] Perception of Fossil

On 2018-06-14 22:37, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: How do I develop a patch locally and send it to someone for review? The pull request model is kind of stupid and works only for a centralized system (the irony...), but integration of something like "patchbomb" or even just bundles is quite handy

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

Yes. Quite a lot. On Thu, 14 Jun 2018, Thomas wrote: On 2018-06-14 22:21, Warren Young wrote: I expect to have no Internet access in the plane I will be aboard shortly. I'm not aware of any airline that doesn't provide internet access on long-haul flights. Is there still one left?

Re: [fossil-users] Perception of Fossil

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 04:51:08PM -0400, Ron W wrote: > In another forum I follow,a commented claims that Fossil is designed for > "cathedral development" not "bazaar development", so would be of little > interest to anyone. Unfortunately, the poster did not elaborate on why. > > Except maybe

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 2018-06-14 22:21, Warren Young wrote: I expect to have no Internet access in the plane I will be aboard shortly. I'm not aware of any airline that doesn't provide internet access on long-haul flights. Is there still one left? ___ fossil-users

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 2018-06-14 22:21, Warren Young wrote: What of the other direction? People like Jörg are more likely to be answering questions than asking them. Why not write answers while offline, then sync the answers when back on-network? Email lists, Usenet, and my proposed Fossil Forum Feature

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Jun 14, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Thomas wrote: > > On 2018-06-14 21:47, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: >> I've had to deal with my share of fori. Frankly, they all suck for power >> users, often badly. While mailing lists do tend to be a bit more >> annoying than newsgroups, they nevertheless share the

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

http://rkeene.org/viewer/tmp/email.png.htm :-) And yes, this is my primary MUA -- not something I setup to reply to this email. On Thu, 14 Jun 2018, Thomas wrote: On 2018-06-14 20:51, John Long wrote: A decent email client can run on a terminal, over ssh or telnet, etc. and can handle all

Re: [fossil-users] Perception of Fossil

On Jun 14, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Ron W wrote: > > In another forum I follow,a commented claims that Fossil is designed for > "cathedral development" not "bazaar development” That’s the official stance, not some rand-o’s opinion: https://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/fossil-v-git.wiki

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 2018-06-14 21:47, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: I've had to deal with my share of fori. Frankly, they all suck for power users, often badly. While mailing lists do tend to be a bit more annoying than newsgroups, they nevertheless share the majority of advantages. Offline access, decent filtering

Re: [fossil-users] Perception of Fossil

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 10:51 PM Ron W wrote: > In another forum I follow,a commented claims that Fossil is designed for > "cathedral development" not "bazaar development", so would be of little > interest to anyone. Unfortunately, the poster did not elaborate on why. > Maybe he's just young

Re: [fossil-users] Perception of Fossil

On 2018-06-14 21:51, Ron W wrote: In another forum I follow,a commented claims that Fossil is designed for "cathedral development" not "bazaar development", so would be of little interest to anyone. Unfortunately, the poster did not elaborate on why. Except maybe possible issues scaling to a

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 2018-06-14 21:40, jungle Boogie wrote: On 14 June 2018 at 13:30, Thomas wrote: Web forums are much more superior than mailing lists, in any possible direction. Ah, yes, superior. https://xkcd.com/979/ At this rate, I suggest we start using reddit more, it's at least more diverse than a

[fossil-users] Perception of Fossil

In another forum I follow,a commented claims that Fossil is designed for "cathedral development" not "bazaar development", so would be of little interest to anyone. Unfortunately, the poster did not elaborate on why. Except maybe possible issues scaling to a large number of contributors, I don't

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 09:23:14PM +0100, Thomas wrote: > On 2018-06-14 20:59, Warren Young wrote: > > On Jun 14, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Thomas wrote: > > > > > > no one wants to see all those in their inbox. > > > > Mailing list messages are easily filtered. > > > > I have one mailbox for each

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Jun 14, 2018, at 1:51 PM, John Long wrote: > > having to have browser tabs open for dozens of web forums I bookmark all of the sites I need to go to regularly and place them in a folder in my browser’s bookmark bar so that I can open them all at once with a Cmd- or Ctrl-Click on the

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 14 June 2018 at 13:30, Thomas wrote: > Web forums are much more superior than mailing lists, in any possible > direction. > Ah, yes, superior. https://xkcd.com/979/ At this rate, I suggest we start using reddit more, it's at least more diverse than a single stand alone forum.

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

Web forums are much more superior than mailing lists, in any possible direction. There's nothing a mailing list can provide a forum can't, since it doesn't exclude email notifications. However, there's loads of benefits a forum provides a mailing list can't catch up with. That's the

Re: [fossil-users] Back on-line. Was: Mailing list shutting down...

On 6/14/18, Richard Hipp wrote: > On 6/14/18, Chad Perrin wrote: >> >> It looks like the mailing list page itself is still down for this list. >> >> >> http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users > > It was working earlier today. We've had some sign-ups. And I

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 2018-06-14 20:59, Warren Young wrote: On Jun 14, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Thomas wrote: no one wants to see all those in their inbox. Mailing list messages are easily filtered. I have one mailbox for each mailing list I subscribe to, and I read through the messages in list order, which makes

Re: [fossil-users] Back on-line. Was: Mailing list shutting down...

I just signed up. The web interface for sign-ups didn't work; displayed an error message. I used the mail interface. Received TWO confirmation requests, replied to one of them. Got "waiting for moderator approval", then "Welcome" along with regular list mail shortly after. On Thu, 14 Jun 2018

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

Ha! I can see there are strong opposing opinions for mail vs forum. I find forums more neatly packaged. Mailing lists are not easily browsed or searched for relevant terms. Some run on mail topics are a pain to find the nugget of information desired. Forum responses can have votes or kudos

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 2018-06-14 20:51, John Long wrote: A decent email client can run on a terminal, over ssh or telnet, etc. and can handle all sorts of filtering and searching. Most mailing lists I just checked the calendar. It's the 21st century here. Not sure how many terminals, telnets or SSH sessions

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Jun 14, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Thomas wrote: > > no one wants to see all those in their inbox. Mailing list messages are easily filtered. I have one mailbox for each mailing list I subscribe to, and I read through the messages in list order, which makes it easy to mentally switch gears from

Re: [fossil-users] Back on-line. Was: Mailing list shutting down...

On 6/14/18, Chad Perrin wrote: > > It looks like the mailing list page itself is still down for this list. > > http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users It was working earlier today. We've had some sign-ups. And I haven't changed anything. Trouble-shooting

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Thu, 2018-06-14 at 20:36 +0100, Thomas wrote: > On 2018-06-14 17:47, Roy Keene wrote: > > If it's any conideration, if it's not a mailing list or something > > else > > pushed to me, I'll never see it. A fossil users' forum will never > > get > > checked (pulled) by me since I am just too

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 2018-06-14 17:47, Roy Keene wrote: If it's any conideration, if it's not a mailing list or something else pushed to me, I'll never see it.  A fossil users' forum will never get checked (pulled) by me since I am just too lazy to remember to do so on any regular frequency.  There may be

Re: [fossil-users] Back on-line. Was: Mailing list shutting down...

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 09:05:14AM -0400, Richard Hipp wrote: > On 6/13/18, Richard Hipp wrote: > > Unfortunately, I'm going to need to shut down this mailing list due to > > robot harassment. I am working to come up with a fix or an > > alternative now > > Mailing lists are now back

[fossil-users] Small typos

On the new/setup_skin page (noticed in fossil version 2.6 2018-05-04): 1. "You can also authorized other user ..." 2. "... the comma-separate list of GLOB ... " The surplus "d" in #1 is needed in #2. Thanks for the great product! Donald Griggs

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Back on-line. Was: Mailing list shutting down...

On 14 June 2018 at 08:58, Richard Hipp wrote: > > So there you have it: If you want to harass someone by sending them > thousands of subscription confirmations, there is now a website to > assist you. Do we need any further evidence that the heart of man is > deceitful above all things, and

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Jun 14, 2018, at 10:51 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: > > On 6/14/18, Roy Keene wrote: >> If it's any conideration, if it's not a mailing list or something else >> pushed to me, I'll never see it. > > I agree. Any solution must support email notification. Am working on > that now. But, given

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

As someone who rarely posts messages and mostly reads the posts, I wouldn't be affected by requiring posts be done via an authenticated web-based system. RSS may even be an option over email for consuming and it can have links for authenticated posting. I haven't read all the emails on this

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 6/14/18, Roy Keene wrote: > If it's any conideration, if it's not a mailing list or something else > pushed to me, I'll never see it. I agree. Any solution must support email notification. Am working on that now. But, given all the security constraints surrounding email these days, it is a

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On 6/14/18, Warren Young wrote: > It might > be that the internal developer discussions use this proposed Fossil Forum > feature and the user discussions are held elsewhere. My plan was to set up an entirely new Fossil repo just to host the Forum for SQLite - a repo that was separate from the

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

If it's any conideration, if it's not a mailing list or something else pushed to me, I'll never see it. A fossil users' forum will never get checked (pulled) by me since I am just too lazy to remember to do so on any regular frequency. There may be others like me who are busy but can

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Jun 14, 2018, at 4:29 AM, Dominique Devienne wrote: > > Last discussion/thread on moving away from MLs on the SQLite list showed a > clear bias > against using a forum over a ML IMHO, especially from long time contributors. > My $0.02... —DD I was one of those arguing in favor of mailing

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Back on-line. Was: Mailing list shutting down...

On 6/14/18, Gary R. Schmidt wrote: > > Would you be willing to publish your fix to the mailman list so that > others could make use of it? > I will provide *some* information: I installed a CGI logging system on selected parts of the subscription interface, and I am running "tail -f" on the log

Re: [fossil-users] Mailing list shutting down...

On 2018-06-13 7:05 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: I would like to provide users the option to send messages formatted using Markdown. Are there Markdown libraries available in TCL that I can use, that you know of? Groups.io supports Markdown (web posting only). Messages

Re: [fossil-users] Export to SVN?

Le 13/06/2018 19:35, « Stéphane Aulery » a écrit : Hello, Le 13/06/2018 à 16:16, Thomas Burdick a écrit : > > I’m interested in experimenting with Fossil as a replacement for svn for > a large-ish project I work on. I saw that import can import a dumped svn >

Re: [fossil-users] Incorrect arrow colors when using -bgcolor

Andy Goth: > In my test case, the outbound arrows are white, which doesn't look > so great against the default white background. The timeline arrow color generated from background color #00aa00 was not white, but #ffd6, which is an invalid HTML/CSS color value, and happened to be displayed

[fossil-users] Back on-line. Was: Mailing list shutting down...

On 6/13/18, Richard Hipp wrote: > Unfortunately, I'm going to need to shut down this mailing list due to > robot harassment. I am working to come up with a fix or an > alternative now Mailing lists are now back on-line and once again accepting subscriptions. I have implemented measures to

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 12:29:40 +0200 Dominique Devienne wrote: > Still, I like MLs best... If the only issue is the subscription part, > lets fix that only? +1 > Last discussion/thread on moving away from MLs on the SQLite list showed a > clear bias against using a forum over a ML IMHO,

Re: [fossil-users] [sqlite] Mailing list shutting down...

On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 9:00 PM Richard Hipp wrote: > Discourse is moving the right direction, I think. [...] > > Does anybody else have any experience with Discourse, good or bad? > We have an internal instance, and I've had good (but limited) experience with it. Editing works well, quoting

Re: [fossil-users] Mailing list shutting down...

I can see the advantages having an additional focussed collaborative tool within Fossil - it would be a very useful feature for small groups to discuss design decisions/progress and bug fixing. Linking to email especially for the bug tracker has also been a long requested feature. I can see

Re: [fossil-users] Mailing list shutting down...

On 2018-06-13 4:28 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: Unfortunately, I'm going to need to shut down this mailing list due to robot harassment. I am working to come up with a fix or an alternative now. Your suggestions are welcomed. If you're open to a commercial mailing list with web archive features