[Foundation-l] Fw: Why we should use the community draft of the language proposal policy

2008-12-05 Thread Dovi Jacobs
Responding to Jesse Plamondon-Willard's points: The current draft still as a few issues: * It allows wikis for languages that have no written form. This is not an issue. The Wikimedia Foundation itself has in the past advertised meeting its goal of spreading knowledge by providing a platform

Re: [Foundation-l] Fw: Why we should use the community draft of the language proposal policy

2008-12-05 Thread Jesse Plamondon-Willard
Hello Dovi, The language subcommittee has no official opinion on the issue; I'm disagreeing as a member of the community. A lack of comment is not consensus. Several discussions on the talk page went quiet without ever reaching agreement. A consensus is not reached simply because nobody recently

Re: [Foundation-l] Fw: Why we should use the community draft of the language proposal policy

2008-12-05 Thread Dovi Jacobs
Several people on the talk page have done exactly that recently, calling for conclusion and ratification, because both discussion and formulation seemed to have had long been accepted by everyone working on it (and you were one of the people who contributed). If you felt it was inadequate, you

Re: [Foundation-l] Handholding for new articles (Was: Re: 80% of our projects are failing)

2008-12-05 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Nathan wrote: My sense was that Nikola was using tl:dr to respond not to George's e-mail, but to the process he described for creating a new page. I could be wrong, though. I wanted to say that due to the length of the text, new users' response would likely be tl;dr. I haven't realized it

Re: [Foundation-l] Handholding for new articles (Was: Re: 80% of our projects are failing)

2008-12-05 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Nikola Smolenski wrote: Nathan wrote: My sense was that Nikola was using tl:dr to respond not to George's e-mail, but to the process he described for creating a new page. I could be wrong, though. I wanted to say that due to the length of the text, new users' response would likely be

Re: [Foundation-l] Handholding for new articles (Was: Re: 80% of our projects are failing)

2008-12-05 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Nikola Smolenski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikola Smolenski wrote: Nathan wrote: My sense was that Nikola was using tl:dr to respond not to George's e-mail, but to the process he described for creating a new page. I could be wrong, though. I wanted to say that

Re: [Foundation-l] Handholding for new articles (Was: Re: 80% of our projects are failing)

2008-12-05 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/5 George Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think these are valid concerns about my idea. I would respond with But you can always create pages the existing way 8-) But some new users won't want that much framework either. I don't know how many different methods/paths we can set up for

Re: [Foundation-l] Handholding for new articles (Was: Re: 80% of our projects are failing)

2008-12-05 Thread Nathan
This [1] is the sort of thing I'm thinking about. David, has this been proposed, discussed, modeled and rejected in the past? (It seems like it must have, for something that is pretty common around the web). [1]: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Add_an_article_-_basic.JPG Nathan

Re: [Foundation-l] Handholding for new articles (Was: Re: 80% of our projects are failing)

2008-12-05 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/5 Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This [1] is the sort of thing I'm thinking about. David, has this been proposed, discussed, modeled and rejected in the past? (It seems like it must have, for something that is pretty common around the web). [1]:

Re: [Foundation-l] Handholding for new articles (Was: Re: 80% of our projects are failing)

2008-12-05 Thread George Herbert
We could just build the thing and then ask permission to put in the link on the default UI.. Forgiveness easier than permission, etc etc. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:25 AM, David Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/5 Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This [1] is the sort of thing I'm thinking

Re: [Foundation-l] Site notice suggestion needed.

2008-12-05 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:52 PM, effe iets anders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm More then 10 billion page views per month... (or 3900 page views per second) 24 hour average HTTP request rate is 46347. So thats 120,131,424,000 HTTP requests per

Re: [Foundation-l] Site notice suggestion needed.

2008-12-05 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:58 PM, David Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Donate 4 million pictures 11 million pages 10 billion page views Educating the world I think this is really fantastic, by the way. The educating the world has a lot

Re: [Foundation-l] Site notice suggestion needed.

2008-12-05 Thread Erik Moeller
2008/12/5 Gregory Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think this is really fantastic, by the way. The educating the world has a lot of resonance for me and people that I talk with about Wikipedia. How about: 11 million articles 150,000 volunteers Your faith in humanity - Donate now ;-) -- Erik

Re: [Foundation-l] Stanton Foundation $890K Usability Grant

2008-12-05 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/3 Erik Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As per Michael's earlier e-mail: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Wikipedia_to_become_more_user-friendly_for_new_volunteer_writers http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Lolcat2.jpg - d.

Re: [Foundation-l] Site notice suggestion needed.

2008-12-05 Thread Alex
Brion Vibber wrote: Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:52 PM, effe iets anders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm More then 10 billion page views per month... (or 3900 page views per second) 24 hour average HTTP request rate is

Re: [Foundation-l] Site notice suggestion needed.

2008-12-05 Thread Lars Aronsson
Andrew Gray wrote: 268,000,000 contributions would be fun; probably ~500,000,000 for all wikis put together. We're now very close to a mathematical definition of the idiom my two cents, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_two_cents_(idiom) If every one of these 268 million edits was followed by

Re: [Foundation-l] Site notice suggestion needed.

2008-12-05 Thread Kul Takanao Wadhwa
McDonalds: serves 75 million people a month Wikipedia: 275 million 'nuff said. Lars Aronsson wrote: Andrew Gray wrote: 268,000,000 contributions would be fun; probably ~500,000,000 for all wikis put together. We're now very close to a mathematical definition of the idiom my two cents,

Re: [Foundation-l] Site notice suggestion needed.

2008-12-05 Thread Chad
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Kul Takanao Wadhwa [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: McDonalds: serves 75 million people a month Wikipedia: 275 million 'nuff said. That we're more addictive than fast food? -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Naoko Komura

2008-12-05 Thread James R.
Welcome Naoko :) I'm sure you will do a great job in your new position. All the best, James On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Erik Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pleased to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation is hiring Naoko Komura as Program Manager for the Stanton Foundation

[Foundation-l] Regarding the one million dollar usability grant and already extant but unused extensions

2008-12-05 Thread Brian
Semantic Mediawiki and Semantic Forms are already high quality mediawiki extensions that go along way towards usability and quality issues. They are also free. I hope the Wikimedia Foundation plans to flex its muscle in urging projects to adopt these extensions as a part of this larger goal,

Re: [Foundation-l] Regarding the one million dollar usability grant and already extant but unused extensions

2008-12-05 Thread Erik Moeller
2008/12/5 Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Semantic Mediawiki and Semantic Forms are already high quality mediawiki extensions that go along way towards usability and quality issues. They are also free. Hi Brian, an environmental scan of available technologies is part of the project plan. We're

Re: [Foundation-l] Regarding the one million dollar usability grant and already extant but unused extensions

2008-12-05 Thread Erik Moeller
2008/12/5 Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thank you Erik! But I do not believe the potential scope of these two extensions has been appropriately realized by the powers that be, otherwise the technologies would have been put to a large scale trial sooner. Up until July 2008, the paid technology team