Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-14 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
There may be some of that, but it is also true that a lot of experts are actually unhelpful (perhaps we could do something to improve that, though - a system for experts to review articles, rather than edit them, might be good). When experts get involved in editing there are often ownership

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-14 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Thomas Dalton wrote: It's a democratically elected government making the laws and those laws don't prevent free and fair elections, so it isn't undemocratic. (Of course, an semi-official and unaccountable agency like the IWF enforcing the laws is not a great way to go about it.) Your addendum

[Foundation-l] board minutes

2008-12-14 Thread effe iets anders
From Sue's report, I understood that the current practice is to have board minutes approved only on the next board meeting. In practice that means a delay of several months. In a quickly changing world as ours, that is quite a long time span. Would it be possible to decrease this time span

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-14 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Judson Dunn wrote: Make no mistake, the free dissemination of all human knowledge to every person on the planet is a fight. The forces that would spread ignorance as a means of control, and separation are always fighting back. The idea that we should acquiesce in that fight, and censor our

Re: [Foundation-l] board minutes

2008-12-14 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:49 AM, effe iets anders effeietsand...@gmail.comwrote: From Sue's report, I understood that the current practice is to have board minutes approved only on the next board meeting. In practice that means a delay of several months. In a quickly changing world as ours,

Re: [Foundation-l] board minutes

2008-12-14 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: 2008/12/14 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:49 AM, effe iets anders effeietsand...@gmail.comwrote: From Sue's report, I understood that the current practice is to have board minutes

Re: [Foundation-l] board minutes

2008-12-14 Thread Ting Chen
The chair of the board, Michael, had posted the topics before the meeting and a short report about resolutions and issues discussed after the meeting. Ting Anthony wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:49 AM, effe iets anders effeietsand...@gmail.comwrote: From Sue's report, I understood

Re: [Foundation-l] board minutes

2008-12-14 Thread effe iets anders
Hi all, Yes, I know that in large organizations it is uncommon to approve minutes by email. I however see no fundamental obstacles myself, but I'd love to hear from them if they are there. Please note that commonness is no argument to me in this case. I understand how we got to the current

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-14 Thread Ray Saintonge
Todd Allen wrote: Yes, all states have laws. It is the content of those laws which determines whether or not the state is a free and open society. One may have a free and open society that is not an anarchy. Prior-restraint censorship, or blocking people from seeing, discussing, and thinking

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-14 Thread Ray Saintonge
Thomas Dalton wrote: Yes, all states have laws. It is the content of those laws which determines whether or not the state is a free and open society. One may have a free and open society that is not an anarchy. If the country has free and fair elections for its leaders then it is a

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
2008/12/15 Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net: Thomas Dalton wrote: Yes, all states have laws. It is the content of those laws which determines whether or not the state is a free and open society. One may have a free and open society that is not an anarchy. If the country has free and fair

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-14 Thread Florence Devouard
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: Florence Devouard wrote: Birgitte SB wrote: I am strongly against collaborating with Westernish governments to help make their censorship more effective. I personally don't think we should help anyone make their censorship more effective. But if we are to

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: October 2008

2008-12-14 Thread Florence Devouard
Sue Gardner wrote: Hey folks, Here is the RTTB for October. November will follow soon :-) Enjoy! Sue Report to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Covering: October 2008 Prepared by:Sue Gardner, Executive Director, Wikimedia Foundation Prepared for: