Re: [Foundation-l] 2008 Annual Fundraiser - Going into Phas e 2

2008-12-24 Thread Delirium
Casey Brown wrote: On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 8:57 PM, effe iets anders effeietsand...@gmail.com wrote: Hm, btw, where was again that list with all incoming donations? Lodewijk There are many statistics pages, see the Contributions/Fundraiser section on

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Delirium
Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: I have submitted a new project proposal, at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Soviet_Repressions_Memorial Isn't this the sort of thing we've been in the business of slowly getting out of, with the move offsite of the September 11 memorial wiki? The

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimmy Wales donation appeal

2008-12-24 Thread toddmallen
It works and isn't terribly invasive, and realistically financial difficulty will find sympathy right now. I think it's brilliant. -Original Message- From: Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org Subj: Re: [Foundation-l] Jimmy Wales donation appeal Date: Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:00 pm Size: 3K

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimmy Wales donation appeal

2008-12-24 Thread Robert Rohde
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Within the last 24 hours, we've raised a total of $283,859. That's more than 10 times as much as we made during a typical weekday in the last few days of the fundraiser, and the single highest day on record for community

Re: [Foundation-l] The new iteration

2008-12-24 Thread KillerChihuahua
If the list is dead, it is because there is nothing to discuss at this time. This isn't a forum. Someone will bring a new topic in as appropriate, which is far preferable to trying to keep this list active and clog our inboxes with less relevant discussions, surely? Milos Rancic wrote:

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimmy Wales donation appeal

2008-12-24 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/24 Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com: So, if not visibility, then what is really going on. In my opinion, if you want someone to read something, personalizing it is a very good idea. I think describing it as a personal message and putting a face to it, provides engagement and gets

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Kurt Maxwell Weber
On Wednesday 24 December 2008 03:10, Delirium wrote: Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: I have submitted a new project proposal, at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Soviet_Repressions_Memorial Isn't this the sort of thing we've been in the business of slowly getting out of, with the move

[Foundation-l] Fwd: [Mediawiki-i18n] Betawiki staff thank you and season greetings

2008-12-24 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Given that some of our Betawiki localisers have not provided us with their e-mail address and given that this is an open call to contribute to our end of your localisation effort, I forward this mail to you all. Help us to end 2008 with a bang and in the process you can help yourself or the

Re: [Foundation-l] Europeana

2008-12-24 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/24 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: Europeana (http://www.europeana.eu/) is working again. I think that it has a lot of useful (PD) materials. Looks like it *could* be an interesting project. Any pointers to good places to start looking? - d.

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Kurt Maxwell Weber
On Wednesday 24 December 2008 11:02, David Gerard wrote: Yes. However, it could be a valuable wiki to create privately. Generic hosting is (a) really cheap (b) often includes MediaWiki out the box. The wiki is unlikely to be vastly overloaded, so cheap hosting would do for a start. See

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread mbimmler
On 12/24/08, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2008/12/24 Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com: A project which is motivated in such a way cannot possibly be anything else than biased...and indeed, the very concept of memorials is biased: Why should we have a memorial of the victims of

Re: [Foundation-l] Europeana

2008-12-24 Thread Nemo_bis
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, 24/12/2008 21:12: Interesting material, definitely. But PD; I think not... Europeana is only a portal and metadata search engine: content is actually in other sites (e.g.: http://www.photo.rmn.fr/cf/htm/CPicZ.aspx?E=2C6NU045OU4Q), which terms of use is relevant only.

[Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

2008-12-24 Thread Erik Zachte
New wikistats reports have been published today, for the first time since May 2008. The reports have been  generated on the new wikistats server ‘Bayes’, which is operational since a few weeks. The dump process itself had been restarted some weeks earlier, new dumps are now available for all 700+

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

2008-12-24 Thread Jon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thank you Erik! Erik Zachte wrote: New wikistats reports have been published today, for the first time since May 2008. The reports have been generated on the new wikistats server ‘Bayes’, which is operational since a few weeks. The dump process

[Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

2008-12-24 Thread Erik Zachte
John: For the Page Views data on some projects, the May data looks unusually lower than the June data; could it be that the May data isn't a complete month for some projects? Yes, that is indeed the case. I will omit the incomplete month on subsequent reports. Erik Zachte

[Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

2008-12-24 Thread Erik Zachte
Hi Brian, Brion once explained to me that the post processing of the dump is the main bottleneck. Compressing articles with tens of thousands of revisions is a major resource drain. Right now every dump is even compressed twice, into bzip2 (for wider platform compatibility) and 7zip format (for

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

2008-12-24 Thread Brian
Also, I wonder if these folks have been consulted for their expertise in compressing wikipedia data: http://prize.hutter1.net/ On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: Interesting. I realize that the dump is extremely large, but if 7zip is really the bottleneck

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a memorial project for all disasters. I echo Mr. Bimmler in his concerns about the motives behind this proposal. From: Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Kurt Maxwell Weber
On Wednesday 24 December 2008 18:12, Geoffrey Plourde wrote: Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a memorial project for all disasters. And what, in principle, is wrong with that? -- Kurt Weber http://blog.kurtweber.us k...@kurtweber.us

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

2008-12-24 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/25 Erik Zachte erikzac...@infodisiac.com: Hi Brian, Brion once explained to me that the post processing of the dump is the main bottleneck. Compressing articles with tens of thousands of revisions is a major resource drain. Right now every dump is even compressed twice, into bzip2

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Jon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: On Wednesday 24 December 2008 18:12, Geoffrey Plourde wrote: Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a memorial project for all disasters. And what, in principle, is wrong with that? Kurt, et

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Phil Nash
Geoffrey Plourde wrote: Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a memorial project for all disasters. I echo Mr. Bimmler in his concerns about the motives behind this proposal. I'm in some agreement here because my experience of UK charity law is that it is not generally

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Jon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: On Wednesday 24 December 2008 18:43, Phil Nash wrote: Geoffrey Plourde wrote: Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a memorial project for all disasters. I echo Mr. Bimmler in his concerns about

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Phil Nash
Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: On Wednesday 24 December 2008 18:43, Phil Nash wrote: Geoffrey Plourde wrote: Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a memorial project for all disasters. I echo Mr. Bimmler in his concerns about the motives behind this proposal. I'm in some

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

2008-12-24 Thread Robert Rohde
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: Interesting. I realize that the dump is extremely large, but if 7zip is really the bottleneck then to me the solutions are straightforward: 1. Offer an uncompressed version of the dump for download. Bandwidth is cheap and

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Jon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: On Wednesday 24 December 2008 19:25, Jon wrote: I don't think it is something we should focus on. Let us focus on our existing projects, perfect them. Reference my earlier rationale. Given that these are all volunteer

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Fred Bauder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: On Wednesday 24 December 2008 18:12, Geoffrey Plourde wrote: Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a memorial project for all disasters. And what, in principle, is wrong with that? Kurt, et

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Jon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Fred Bauder wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: On Wednesday 24 December 2008 18:12, Geoffrey Plourde wrote: Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a memorial project for all

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Fred Bauder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: On Wednesday 24 December 2008 19:25, Jon wrote: I don't think it is something we should focus on. Let us focus on our existing projects, perfect them. Reference my earlier rationale. Given that these are all

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Fred Bauder
The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content under a free license http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:free_content or in the public domain, and to disseminate it effectively and globally. The memorial

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/25 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net: If we stood for something, it might serve to invigorate. You mean, taking a particular political position? I don't see that in the mission. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/25 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net: Each of the millions who were starved, imprisoned, tortured, or killed has a unique story. Each story is more significant and educational than a Wikipedia article on Hitler or Stalin. The same applies to the Sep11 wiki. Why was that moved

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Fred Bauder
Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a memorial project for all disasters. I echo Mr. Bimmler in his concerns about the motives behind this proposal. I think half a dozen might do, one for the victims of Hitler, one for the victims of Stalin, one for the victims of Pol

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

2008-12-24 Thread Brian
Hi Robert, I'm not sure I agree with you.. (3 terabytes / 10 megabytes) seconds in days = 3.64 days That is, on my university connection I could download the dump in just a few days. The only cost is bandwidth. On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed,

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Jon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Gerard wrote: 2008/12/25 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net: If we stood for something, it might serve to invigorate. You mean, taking a particular political position? I don't see that in the mission. - d.

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/25 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net: Oh, but we are, just by what we do. And the mass murders of the twentieth century would have made short work of us. In fact, in the last regime controlled by them Wikipedia is blocked. Controlled by the Soviets, who I understand were the subject

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread geni
2008/12/25 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net: Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a memorial project for all disasters. I echo Mr. Bimmler in his concerns about the motives behind this proposal. I think half a dozen might do, one for the victims of Hitler, one for

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

2008-12-24 Thread Robert Rohde
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: Hi Robert, I'm not sure I agree with you.. (3 terabytes / 10 megabytes) seconds in days = 3.64 days That is, on my university connection I could download the dump in just a few days. The only cost is bandwidth. While

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Jon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 geni wrote: 2008/12/25 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net: Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a memorial project for all disasters. I echo Mr. Bimmler in his concerns about the motives behind this proposal. I think half

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Fred Bauder
2008/12/25 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net: Oh, but we are, just by what we do. And the mass murders of the twentieth century would have made short work of us. In fact, in the last regime controlled by them Wikipedia is blocked. Controlled by the Soviets, who I understand were the

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/25 geni geni...@gmail.com: 2008/12/25 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net: Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a memorial project for all disasters. I echo Mr. Bimmler in his concerns about the motives behind this proposal. I think half a dozen might do, one

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

2008-12-24 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/25 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu: But at least this would allow Erik, researchers and archivers to get the dump faster than they can get the compressed version. The number of people who want this can't be 100, can it? It would need to be metered by an API I guess. Maybe we can

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

2008-12-24 Thread Robert Rohde
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: I'm also curious, what is the estimated amount of time to decompress this thing? Somewhere around 1 week, I'd guesstimate. -Robert Rohde ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

2008-12-24 Thread geni
2008/12/25 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: 2008/12/25 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu: But at least this would allow Erik, researchers and archivers to get the dump faster than they can get the compressed version. The number of people who want this can't be 100, can it? It would need to be

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Kurt Maxwell Weber
On Wednesday 24 December 2008 20:30, David Gerard wrote: 2008/12/25 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net: Hard to keep things straight isn't it when the object is to make a point. I speak of Red China, still controlled by Mao's heirs. Well, yes. (Who thankfully are not gross incompetents at

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Jon
Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: On Wednesday 24 December 2008 20:30, David Gerard wrote: 2008/12/25 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net: Hard to keep things straight isn't it when the object is to make a point. I speak of Red China, still controlled by Mao's heirs. Well, yes. (Who

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

2008-12-24 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It is not one either. It has been said repeatedly that the process of a straightforward back up is something that is done on a regular basis. This however includes a lot of information that we do not allow to be included in the data export that is made available to the public. So never mind

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
I agree. As I said before, where would this stop? Memorial sites for specific incidents will lead to more and more requests. If we have one for an event, we must have one for all. From: Jon scr...@datascreamer.com To: k...@kurtweber.us; Wikimedia Foundation