Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Brian Salter-Duke
On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:18:03 +, Al Tally majorly.w...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 4:05 AM, H hillgentle...@gmail.com wrote: Brian, It is usually the responsibility of the proposer to notify the community. I am very surprised that no one did. Er, the community was

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Al Tally
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Brian Salter-Duke b_d...@bigpond.com.auwrote: They know about it because of [[Template:Bulletin/News]] on Simple. As far as I can see the place(s) that this is transcuded are the only places. The question however is how does a Simple WP editor who never

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/2/23 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: The discussion has to take place somewhere, meta seems the best option (the only obvious alternative is to have closure discussions on the project in question, but that would

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Al Tally
Proposals to close Simple English projects are like the perennial proposals of Wikipedia: not going to happen. As long as a project has an active community, there really is no good reason to close a project. OK, Simple English might not meet current standards for language, but it has an active

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Mark Williamson
This is wrong; the Siberian Wikipedia had an active userbase but was closed because it was deemed to be in a fake language. Mark skype: node.ue 2009/2/23 Al Tally majorly.w...@googlemail.com: Proposals to close Simple English projects are like the perennial proposals of Wikipedia: not

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Al Tally
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote: This is wrong; the Siberian Wikipedia had an active userbase but was closed because it was deemed to be in a fake language. As long as a project has an active community, there really is no good reason to close a

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Mark Williamson
That may be your opinion, but that doesn't mean it can't be done, hasn't been done before, or won't be done again. Mark skype: node.ue 2009/2/23 Al Tally majorly.w...@googlemail.com: On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote: This is wrong; the Siberian

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Ray Saintonge
Brian Salter-Duke wrote: However my central point that a discussion of something as important as closing one of our most important projects in a way that few know about it remains. The !vote is 42:102. We get more at en:WP on a RFA. A further argument against having this principally discussed

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: A further argument against having this principally discussed on Meta is that those who are best served by Simple do not have the language skills to participate fully in a discussion where there is unlimited use of

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Al Tally
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: A further argument against having this principally discussed on Meta is that those who are best served by Simple do not have the language skills to participate fully in a discussion where there is unlimited use of

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Al Tally
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: The question of how such a discussion would be closed is what concerns me the most - I can't see allowing a meta bureaucrat to close such a poll (which is what we would do in en.wp), and since the Foundation would have to make

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/2/23 Al Tally majorly.w...@googlemail.com: On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: The question of how such a discussion would be closed is what concerns me the most - I can't see allowing a meta bureaucrat to close such a poll (which is what we would do in

Re: [Foundation-l] dumps

2009-02-23 Thread Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia)
I'm not familiar with the details of the data dump process, so I can't comment on whether it's broken or not. However, one question that I have is whether the dump includes, or should conclude, all namespaces, or only articles. In the past, there have allegedly been instances in which database

Re: [Foundation-l] dumps

2009-02-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/2/23 Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) newyorkb...@gmail.com: I'm not familiar with the details of the data dump process, so I can't comment on whether it's broken or not. It's broken, I don't think there is any dispute there. However, one question that I have is whether the dump includes, or

Re: [Foundation-l] dumps

2009-02-23 Thread David Gerard
2009/2/23 Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) newyorkb...@gmail.com: However, one question that I have is whether the dump includes, or should conclude, all namespaces, or only articles. In the past, there have allegedly been instances in which database dumps have been utilized for purposes such as

Re: [Foundation-l] dumps

2009-02-23 Thread Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia)
Actually, I was thinking primarily of userspace. Newyorkbrad On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:44 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/2/23 Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) newyorkb...@gmail.com: However, one question that I have is whether the dump includes, or should conclude, all namespaces,

Re: [Foundation-l] dumps

2009-02-23 Thread Chad
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:44 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/2/23 Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) newyorkb...@gmail.com: However, one question that I have is whether the dump includes, or should conclude, all namespaces, or only articles. In the past, there have allegedly been

Re: [Foundation-l] dumps

2009-02-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/2/23 Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com: On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:44 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: The value of providing good dumps is forkability, in case WMF is hit by a meteor, hit by a legal meteor, goes collectively insane, etc. Imagine trying to fork Wikipedia without being

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Brian Salter-Duke
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:01:11AM -0800, Ray Saintonge wrote: Brian Salter-Duke wrote: However my central point that a discussion of something as important as closing one of our most important projects in a way that few know about it remains. The !vote is 42:102. We get more at en:WP on a

Re: [Foundation-l] dumps

2009-02-23 Thread Samuel Klein
Copying the Commons list. I am interested in hosting (and running some scripts on) copies of the commons media dump on offline regional servers for offline-reading purposes. This is difficult without an image dump. The last time I looked, I was able to find an image dump from 2007? Now I have a

Re: [Foundation-l] dumps

2009-02-23 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/2/22 River Tarnell ri...@loreley.flyingparchment.org.uk: currently the dump process is a bit broken. what is the Foundation's position on this? Making the full history dump process scale to en.wp, and dumps more reliable in general, is a high priority project. It was assigned to Ariel,