Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Bence Damokos
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Here's a first crack at revised attribution language. When the language is completely finalized, I'll send a separate note explaining some of our reasoning for this general approach in more detail. In the meantime, I'd

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread geni
2009/3/11 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org: Here's a first crack at revised attribution language. When the language is completely finalized, I'll send a separate note explaining some of our reasoning for this general approach in more detail. In the meantime, I'd appreciate it if you could point

Re: [Foundation-l] Pissed off at en:Wikisource

2009-03-11 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: Hello, I think this is a communety thing. Its to bad that you lost your adminship but why should people from other projects step in? I mean this is something on the en.source not a global thing. huib -- I have

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: December 2008

2009-03-11 Thread Mark (Markie)
snip We also received major gifts totaling USD 94m. /snip :O is this a typo or is it actually correct? Also if its possible could we have slightly more info about who the donations were from and whether they were targeted/restricted to any use? regards mark

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: December 2008

2009-03-11 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/11 Nathan nawr...@gmail.com: I'm curious about the plans behind meeting with branding specialists. What is the Foundation looking to achieve? Wider brand recognition of the Foundation itself (as opposed to the English Wikipedia)? Research into brand penetration and audience perception,

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: December 2008

2009-03-11 Thread Lars Aronsson
Sue Gardner wrote: Report to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees [...] From December 9-15, Jimmy Wales and Sue Gardner visited India. It is great to read this report. But the archived version has been cut (by a software bug) at the line starting with From,

[Foundation-l] Fwd: Re: Report to the Board of Trustees: December 2008

2009-03-11 Thread Chad
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: Sue Gardner wrote: Report to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees [...] From December 9-15, Jimmy Wales and Sue Gardner visited India. It is great to read this report. But the archived version has been cut (by a

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: December 2008

2009-03-11 Thread Jay Walsh
I'd be happy to field that. At this stage it's very simply conversations with those who have a deeper understanding of brand, brand architecture, and brand development. You raise probably the most important point of discussion (which has been around for a long time, I'm sure) - How do

Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution by URL reasoning?

2009-03-11 Thread Mike Linksvayer
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: I see you've posted a blog post ( http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/13232) which suggests that attribution by link was added in 2.5.  You point to this a blog post by Mia Garlick

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: December 2008

2009-03-11 Thread Platonides
Lars Aronsson wrote: Sue Gardner wrote: Report to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees [...] From December 9-15, Jimmy Wales and Sue Gardner visited India. It is great to read this report. But the archived version has been cut (by a software bug) at the line starting with From,

Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution by URL reasoning?

2009-03-11 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Mike Linksvayer m...@creativecommons.orgwrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: I see you've posted a blog post ( http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/13232) which suggests that attribution by link was added in 2.5.

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Ryan Kaldari
either by, at your choice, including at your choice is unnecessarily verbose. The sentence has the same meaning without the extra clause. Ryan Kaldari ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution by URL reasoning?

2009-03-11 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: In 1.0 and 2.0 I assume the appropriate section is 4(d). Nevermind that, it's 4(c). ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: December 2008

2009-03-11 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/3/11 Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se: Since the report was distributed just fine, I think that Mailman is fine, but the bug hides somewhere in Pipermail 0.09.  It is perhaps related to ^From being a message separator in the mbox format. I noticed this as well; I'll try resending the

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: December 2008

2009-03-11 Thread Sue Gardner
2009/3/11 Mark (Markie) newsmar...@googlemail.com: snip We also received major gifts totaling USD 94m. /snip :O is this a typo or is it actually correct? Also if its possible could we have slightly more info about who the donations were from and whether they were targeted/restricted to

[Foundation-l] (Resend) Report the the Board, December 2008

2009-03-11 Thread Erik Moeller
[Resending for archival purposes on Sue's behalf; also fixed typo: 94m-94K --Erik] Report to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Covering: December 2008 Prepared by:Sue Gardner, Executive Director, Wikimedia Foundation Prepared for: Wikimedia Foundation Board

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/3/10 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com: Erik Moeller wrote: b) a link to an alternative online copy which is freely accessible and conforms with the license and includes a list a list of all authors, What is the purpose of the wording and includes a list a list of all authors,

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/3/10 Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com: This is unclear.  but must otherwise can be read to apply only to rich media that are 5+ collaborations and for which a reuser chooses not to use the above same fashion author list.  But I assume attributed in the manner specified by the

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/3/11 Ryan Kaldari kald...@gmail.com: either by, at your choice, including at your choice is unnecessarily verbose. The sentence has the same meaning without the extra clause. Removed it from the draft. -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge:

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/3/11 Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com: From an attribution point of view, the definition of full list of authors that excludes very small contributions is not really acceptable to me. Imagine, that Joe only corrects spelling mistakes: arguably very small contributions - you wouldn't say

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/3/11 geni geni...@gmail.com: Importing wikipedia content would be an absolute pain Why? The language doesn't require you to include a full list of authors. Only if you want your copy to be a link-creditable copy, you would need to do so. and moveing article titles would result in some

Re: [Foundation-l] Biographies of Living People: a quick interim update

2009-03-11 Thread David Goodman
I exactly agree with Brigette on this one. This is the way to treat all articles on their actual merits. But in many cases the subject himself will come to the afd and express an opinion, and we can not prevent that. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Birgitte SB birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote:

Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution by URL reasoning?

2009-03-11 Thread Lars Aronsson
Anthony wrote: In 1.0 and 2.0 I assume the appropriate section is 4(d). The change from 1.0 to 2.0 adds a requirement to specify a URL. Copyright (and also the European author's rights / Urheberrecht) used to be all about making copies, presumably physical copies. In trials such as the one

[Foundation-l] Wikimedia too centralised? (was Re: Attribution by URL reasoning?)

2009-03-11 Thread David Gerard
[I've changed the subject line.] 2009/3/11 Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se: If the content is free, people don't need to drink from our watertap. It's the water that's important, not the tap. We could have a minimal webserver to receive new edits. Serving replication feeds to a handful of

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread geni
2009/3/11 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org: 2009/3/11 geni geni...@gmail.com: Importing wikipedia content would be an absolute pain Why? The language doesn't require you to include a full list of authors. Only if you want your copy to be a link-creditable copy, you would need to do so. Is

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/3/11 geni geni...@gmail.com: Why? The language doesn't require you to include a full list of authors. Only if you want your copy to be a link-creditable copy, you would need to do so. Is provideing credit reasonable to the medium or means an additional requirement? No; the attribution

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread geni
2009/3/11 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org: 2009/3/11 geni geni...@gmail.com: Why? The language doesn't require you to include a full list of authors. Only if you want your copy to be a link-creditable copy, you would need to do so. Is provideing credit reasonable to the medium or means an

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Erik Moeller wrote: 2009/3/10 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com: Erik Moeller wrote: b) a link to an alternative online copy which is freely accessible and conforms with the license and includes a list a list of all authors, What is the purpose of the wording and

[Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: January 2009

2009-03-11 Thread Sue Gardner
Report to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Covering: January 2009 Prepared by:Sue Gardner, Executive Director, Wikimedia Foundation Prepared for: Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees MY CURRENT PRIORITIES 1. World Economic Forum at Davos 2. Annual

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: January 2009

2009-03-11 Thread Casey Brown
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: Report to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Covering:               January 2009 Btw, Brion, this last one had the same problem... maybe it just hates Sue? (Sending to list too, because there's no doubt

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Erik Moeller wrote: 2009/3/11 geni geni...@gmail.com: Importing wikipedia content would be an absolute pain Why? The language doesn't require you to include a full list of authors. Only if you want your copy to be a link-creditable copy, you would need to do so. The language

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Erik Moeller wrote: 2009/3/11 Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com: From an attribution point of view, the definition of full list of authors that excludes very small contributions is not really acceptable to me. Imagine, that Joe only corrects spelling mistakes: arguably very small

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Brian wrote: I'm not really clear on what a link is. You specify it as a URL, but a URL alone does not constitute a link. A link is the rendering of this code: a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page;label/a But the proposed attribution guideline says absolutely nothing about what