Re: [Foundation-l] [Commons-l] Considerations for museums and archives to gain their cooperation

2009-03-30 Thread Mathias Schindler
2009/3/30 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: My question is, will it be acceptable when a museum or archive provides us with their material and when we learn about a request to take down material, we do this when requested by the copyright holder.  This is not considered an issue with

[Foundation-l] Considerations for museums and archives

2009-03-30 Thread Klaus Graf
Unfortunately Schindler doesn't take into account the very long discussion at de:WP:UF http://tinyurl.com/fdld4 There is a very dangerous opinion that work according free licenses means work in any resolution and thus low-resolution pictures licensed under a free license could be replaced by

Re: [Foundation-l] Considerations for museums and archives

2009-03-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, A low resolution version is in essence a derivative of the original. It is the prerogative of a copyright holder to license as he sees fit. The notion that a copyrighted work can 2009/3/30 Klaus Graf klausg...@googlemail.com Unfortunately Schindler doesn't take into account the very long

Re: [Foundation-l] I'm a creative commoner!!!

2009-03-30 Thread Hay (Husky)
Nice write-up Domas. I really feel we are part of a bigger movement, and that is what i usually express towards others who approach me about Wikipedia. It's not just the encyclopaedia, but a whole movement of people who think free licenses and media are an essential part of the 21st century. And

Re: [Foundation-l] Considerations for museums and archives

2009-03-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, A low resolution version is in essence a derivative of the original. It is the prerogative of a copyright holder to license as he sees fit. The notion that a copyrighted work includes right to other manifestations of the same work is flawed. It is like saying that because you have bought a

Re: [Foundation-l] I'm a creative commoner!!!

2009-03-30 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
I was surprised last year to receive an e-mail from the journal Nature Genetics. They put one of my pictures that they found on Commons on the cover of the journal. Well, this is smth you should really be proud of. Seriously, this is a high-profile journal, making a cover of it would increase

Re: [Foundation-l] Considerations for museums and archives to gain their cooperation

2009-03-30 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
Hoi. I am talking to a few museums and archives and several of them are interested in considering Commons for their collection. At the same time they are also considering Flickr. I am not sure I understand the issue. If we are talking about PD material, whether it is hosted on Flickr, on

Re: [Foundation-l] Considerations for museums and archives to gain their cooperation

2009-03-30 Thread Pedro Sanchez
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ruwrote: I am not sure I understand the issue. If we are talking about PD material, whether it is hosted on Flickr, on the website of the museum or elsewhere, we can still use it and upload on Commons (possibly by a bot).

Re: [Foundation-l] Considerations for museums and archives to gain their cooperation

2009-03-30 Thread Ryan Kaldari
If a museum or archive asserts copyright on a PD work or art, we ignore such claims. The WMF has stated they are willing to go to court to defend the public domain status of historic artwork (and photographic reproductions thereof). See

Re: [Foundation-l] Considerations for museums and archives to gain their cooperation

2009-03-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Public Domain is a side issue. The real issue is about how to cooperate with archives and museums. The fact that something that is in the public domain can be used in any which way is true but largely irrelevant when you consider that only a fraction of the material that is in archives and

Re: [Foundation-l] Considerations for museums and archives to gain their cooperation

2009-03-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You just posted what is generally believed to be the position of the WMF. You did not answer the question. What picture is referred to? Where are the discussions about this picture? Is this the picture believed to be the bard as he really looked like ?? If this is indeed the picture that is

Re: [Foundation-l] Considerations for museums and archives

2009-03-30 Thread Mathias Schindler
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Klaus Graf klausg...@googlemail.com wrote: There is a very dangerous opinion that work according free licenses means work in any resolution and thus low-resolution pictures licensed under a free license could be replaced by high-resolution pictures. As long

Re: [Foundation-l] Considerations for museums and archives to gain their cooperation

2009-03-30 Thread Ziko van Dijk
The real issue is about how to cooperate with archives and museums. I can only underline this point of Gerard. In the end, it is always about cooperating with other people, trying to find out what are our common interests. Maybe those of us who are experienced with these cooperations could

Re: [Foundation-l] Considerations for museums and archives to gain their cooperation

2009-03-30 Thread geni
2009/3/30 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: Once again, if we have non-free.wikimedia.org repository, with precise rules, we wouldn't be able to have all kinds of materials which policy of Commons prohibits: * Orphan works. Strictly speaking no it doesn't. For example it would allow images that

Re: [Foundation-l] Considerations for museums and archives to gain their cooperation

2009-03-30 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
The real issue is about how to cooperate with archives and museums. I can only underline this point of Gerard. In the end, it is always about cooperating with other people, trying to find out what are our common interests. Maybe those of us who are experienced with these cooperations

Re: [Foundation-l] Considerations for museums and archives to gain their cooperation

2009-03-30 Thread Ryan Kaldari
The image was deleted prior to the PD-Art policy change on Commons. Kaldari On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, You just posted what is generally believed to be the position of the WMF. You did not answer the question. What picture is

Re: [Foundation-l] Considerations for museums and archives

2009-03-30 Thread Lars Aronsson
Gerard Meijssen wrote: A low resolution version is in essence a derivative of the original. In a related discussion, if I release a low resolution image under GFDL (or GPL), could my high resolution original be considered to be the source code (as defined in GPL) that I would also have to

Re: [Foundation-l] Considerations for museums and archives to gain their cooperation

2009-03-30 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Monday 30 March 2009 19:37:08 geni написа: 2009/3/30 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: * Logos and other trademarks at one place. * Strictly defined fair use images (like on en.wp) at one place. This wouldn't be legal. Why not? ___

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2

2009-03-30 Thread Nathan
CC'd this to Foundation-l. There is a poll currently on the English Wikipedia to implement a version of FlaggedRevisions. The poll was introduced left into the vacuum which remained after the first poll failed to result in concrete action. At the close of poll #1, Jimmy indicated that he thought

Re: [Foundation-l] Request for your input: biographies of living people

2009-03-30 Thread David Gerard
2009/3/2 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: I just went to get some actual data. Here's the stats.grok.se hit count for [[:en:Wikipedia:Contact us]] and its subpages: 232227 Wikipedia:Contact us    - ranked #366 page on Wikipedia for Feb 2009 2230   Wikipedia:Contact us/account questions 7773  

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2

2009-03-30 Thread Alex
Nathan wrote: CC'd this to Foundation-l. There is a poll currently on the English Wikipedia to implement a version of FlaggedRevisions. The poll was introduced left into the vacuum which remained after the first poll failed to result in concrete action. At the close of poll #1, Jimmy

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2

2009-03-30 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Alex mrzmanw...@gmail.com wrote: How is it not a compromise? Its a version that most of the supporters still support and that many of the opposers now support. Compromise involves both sides making concessions, not repeatedly proposing the same thing in hopes