Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-09 Thread Michael Snow
RYU Cheol wrote: Yap, it's silly. But it's happening in Korea. http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/04/123_42862.html However, this story indicates that contrary to the earlier report, Google (specifically YouTube) is *not* implementing such a system. I don't know their reasons

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-09 Thread RYU Cheol
Until today they were considering to implement, but finally they decided to abandon the business in South Korea. Nobody who set his profile to South Korea cannot upload video and cannot comments on Youtube. Now you got it? -Cheol 2009/4/9 Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net: RYU Cheol wrote:

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-09 Thread Nathan
Assuming it isn't an April Fool's joke, the fact remains that the Wikimedia Foundation is not bound to abide by the laws of South Korea. Google had business there, presumably, while the Foundation does not. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] WikiSym 2009 in Orlando: Call for Papers - posters deadline April 24

2009-04-09 Thread Brion Vibber
On 3/8/09 9:46 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: A reminder that WikiSym 2009 will be in Orlando, Florida, from October 25-27. The deadline for submitting papers, workshops and panel proposals is March 27; April 24th is the deadline for posters, demonstrations and WikiFest (practical experience)

[Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias

2009-04-09 Thread Jaska Zedlik
Hi! It is totally clear that all the Wikipedias must respect and follow some particular policies which are global for all the Wikipedias. The question is what are these policies? Each small Wikipedia doesn’t have all variety of policies and guidelines which major Wikipedias have, and—it’s

Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias

2009-04-09 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Jaska Zedlik jz5...@gmail.com wrote: It is totally clear that all the Wikipedias must respect and follow some particular policies which are global for all the Wikipedias. The question is what are these policies? Welcome to the club :) So, does an

Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias

2009-04-09 Thread Fred Bauder
I think the assumption is that any Wikipedia will adopt the general policies found on the English Wikipedia, but tailor them for local conditions. A project which wishes to significantly deviate from the general principles of everyone can edit, neutral point of view, and using reliable sources

Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias

2009-04-09 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/9 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Jaska Zedlik jz5...@gmail.com wrote: So, does an all-Wikipedias rules list exist, or if not, what are there global rules which all the Wikipedias must follow? No. NPOV. Wikipedias which refuse it have been shut down.

Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias

2009-04-09 Thread Victor Vasiliev
Jaska Zedlik writes: Hi! It is totally clear that all the Wikipedias must respect and follow some particular policies which are global for all the Wikipedias. The question is what are these policies? I believe all projects should follow

Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias

2009-04-09 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:01 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/9 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Jaska Zedlik jz5...@gmail.com wrote: So, does an all-Wikipedias rules list exist, or if not, what are there global rules which all the Wikipedias must

Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias

2009-04-09 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Jaska, Not as compulsory, but as helping I once started http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ziko/Basic_Wikipedia_and_help_pages My idea was and is that it is difficult for small Wikipedias to translate or adapt all of the pages of en.WP, that there should be a short list of short pages

Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias

2009-04-09 Thread Jaska Zedlik
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 21:27, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: The question was about a list which should exist somewhere (at Meta). Thank you, but not obligatory a list. I meant any form, even a number of rules written on this mailing list. Otherwise we (may) have a situation when, for

Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias

2009-04-09 Thread Birgitte SB
--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Jaska Zedlik jz5...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jaska Zedlik jz5...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 2:25 PM On Thu, Apr 9, 2009

Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias

2009-04-09 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/9 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:01 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/9 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Jaska Zedlik jz5...@gmail.com wrote: So, does an all-Wikipedias rules list exist, or if not, what are there

Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias

2009-04-09 Thread Fred Bauder
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 21:27, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: The question was about a list which should exist somewhere (at Meta). Thank you, but not obligatory a list. I meant any form, even a number of rules written on this mailing list. Otherwise we (may) have a situation when,

Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias

2009-04-09 Thread Fred Bauder
Jaska Zedlik writes: Hi! It is totally clear that all the Wikipedias must respect and follow some particular policies which are global for all the Wikipedias. The question is what are these policies? I believe all projects should follow

Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias

2009-04-09 Thread Andre Engels
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Jaska Zedlik jz5...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you, but not obligatory a list. I meant any form, even a number of rules written on this mailing list. Otherwise we (may) have a situation when, for instance, a user puts some inflammatory or divisive content on their

Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias

2009-04-09 Thread Fred Bauder
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:01 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/9 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Jaska Zedlik jz5...@gmail.com wrote: So, does an all-Wikipedias rules list exist, or if not, what are there global rules which all the Wikipedias

Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias

2009-04-09 Thread Joe Anderson
On 2009-04-09 18:49:10 +0100, Jaska Zedlik jz5...@gmail.com said: Hi! It is totally clear that all the Wikipedias must respect and follow some particular policies which are global for all the Wikipedias. The question is what are these policies? Each small Wikipedia doesn’t have all

Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias

2009-04-09 Thread Fred Bauder
Is censorship looked down on by most wikis? I presume most wikis will refuse to take down contact due to laws in that language's main base (eg Chinese Wikipedia)? Excellent question. I wonder about the Hebrew and the Arabic Wikipedias. Would, or could, either resist serious pressure by the

Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias

2009-04-09 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
I think that the general principles are a perfectly acceptable policy and creating a compulsory policy is a bad idea. Each project needs the independence provided by the general principles. Due to the vast diversity of the Wikimedia family, we cannot make hard and fast rules and expect each

Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias

2009-04-09 Thread Nemo_bis
Jaska Zedlik, 09/04/2009 19:49: So, does an all-Wikipedias rules list exist, or if not, what are there global rules which all the Wikipedias must follow? Yes: e.g. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy (surprisingly not yet mentioned). But some wikis have non-free

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-09 Thread Techman224
If this law includes websites hosted outside of South Korea, and there's enough people coming from there, we either have to do it, or risk being blocked. Techman224 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-09 Thread RYU Cheol
We have some servers in Seoul, Korea, which are donated by Yahoo, right? (I'm not sure, let me know) Then it's a web site in South Korea. --Cheol 2009/4/10 Techman224 techman...@yahoo.ca: If this law includes websites hosted outside of South Korea, and there's enough people coming from there,

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-09 Thread Mark Williamson
No, in most cases we don't have to abide by the law tof the United Kingdom. There are hundreds of countries in the world, each with their own different laws, some seemingly quite draconian when it comes to what content is allowed. Imagine, in North Korea the things we say about Kim Jong-il are

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-09 Thread Kalan
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:24, RYU Cheol rch...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest we make a voice against South Korean government,  'cause I don't want to say good bye to you all. If a similar law would be adopted in one of the Western countries, mass campaigns and protests would be inevitable.

Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias

2009-04-09 Thread Pedro Sanchez
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Jaska Zedlik jz5...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 21:27, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: The question was about a list which should exist somewhere (at Meta). Thank you, but not obligatory a list. I meant any form, even a number of rules