[Foundation-l] Board statement on Wikimedia trademarks

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Snow
This is the statement on trademarks mentioned earlier. It both states the approach we want the Wikimedia Foundation to take and directs the staff to carry it out. It basically sums up what our understanding has been for a long time, but hadn't really been formally stated anywhere. The board

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value?

2009-04-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote: Scientific? Is there something scientific about neutral point of view as a framework for Wikipedia, even? It has some similarities to the scientific method, I suppose, but I'm not sure that's what we imagine ourselves

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread Ting Chen
Hallo Brianna, NPOV is mainly a principle of Wikipedia, later also used by Wikibooks and Wikinews. There is at least one project (Wikiversity) which explicitely allow participants not to follow NPOV, but the Disclosure of Point of Views in Wikiversity follow in principle the ideal of NPOV: It

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/22 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de: NPOV is mainly a principle of Wikipedia, later also used by Wikibooks and Wikinews. There is at least one project (Wikiversity) which explicitely allow participants not to follow NPOV, but the Disclosure of Point of Views in Wikiversity follow in

Re: [Foundation-l] Board statement regarding biographies of living people

2009-04-22 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/4/22 Gregory Kohs thekoh...@gmail.com: Says Michael Snow: The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees urges the global Wikimedia community to uphold and strengthen our commitment to high-quality, accurate information ++ So, the community is urged to do this work at the request of

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/22 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: NPOV transformation to general neutrality will work in the most of the cases. A clear example for such transformation is Wikinews. Even called as NPOV, Wikinews neutrality is a different kind of approach because it is a journalistic one. And even

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:32 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I think the point is to have whatever would be the locally relevant version of neutrality. On Wikipedia it's NPOV. On Commons or Wikisource, I expect it would be neutrality of subject matter. Etc. The key point would be

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:20 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: And if you want to force any kind of neutrality there, you would get the same kind of scientific production which existed in East European countries during 50s and 60s: A (very good) book about ancient Greek literature

Re: [Foundation-l] Anarchopedia changed its license

2009-04-22 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Crazy Lover wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agorism Just by the way, completely inconsequentially to anarchopedia; the foundational proponent of Agorism was a genuinely awesome dude, and whoever got to know him in real life, was blessed. I somehow think Konkin would have grokked

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Brianna Laugher brianna.laug...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/21 Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net: The Wikimedia Foundation takes this opportunity to reiterate some core principles related

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/22 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:20 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: And if you want to force any kind of neutrality there, you would get the same kind of scientific production which existed in East European countries during 50s and 60s: A (very

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread Birgitte SB
--- On Wed, 4/22/09, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote: From: Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people) To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date:

Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 61, Issue 44

2009-04-22 Thread Durova
The Wikimedia Foundation takes this opportunity to reiterate some core principles related to our shared vision, mission, and values. One of these values which is common to all our projects is a commitment to maintaining a neutral point of view. I find it a bit strange to talk of

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, There is a difference between the way photo journalists work and the way most of the illustrations come to Commons. The NPPA code of ethics are clearly written for active press journalists. They get paid for what they do. Also the NPPA is a USA national entity and consequently their rules do

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread Mike.lifeguard
I would love to see these adopted for Commons photographers. The issue will become knowing when these principles are being violated. For example, if you're going to alter audio to serve your own POV, you're not going to make it obvious you've done so. Detection is one problem, but even if you've

Re: [Foundation-l] Board statement regarding biographies of living people

2009-04-22 Thread Gregory Kohs
Am I on moderation? On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Gregory Kohs thekoh...@gmail.com wrote: Says Michael Snow: The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees urges the global Wikimedia community to uphold and strengthen our commitment to high-quality, accurate information ++ So, the

Re: [Foundation-l] Board statement regarding biographies of living people

2009-04-22 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/22 Gregory Kohs thekoh...@gmail.com: Am I on moderation? Not that I can see. Your previous email came through OK. However, note that even if you tell it to, Gmail will *not* show you a copy of messages you sent to a list. This is, apparently, for your comfort and convenience. If you're

Re: [Foundation-l] Moderation? (was: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread Birgitte SB
Are all your emails showing up at http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-April/author.html Birgitte SB --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Gregory Kohs thekoh...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gregory Kohs thekoh...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Board statement regarding biographies of

Re: [Foundation-l] Alternating sitenotices is kinda confusing

2009-04-22 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 18:40, Casey Brown cbrown1023...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Mark Wagner carni...@gmail.com wrote: I just hope you guys settle down on something soon.  I'm tired of playing whack-a-mole with the sitenotices. Hmm?  This is the only time we changed

Re: [Foundation-l] Alternating sitenotices is kinda confusing

2009-04-22 Thread Casey Brown
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Mark Wagner carni...@gmail.com wrote: Since I regularly access Wikipedia from four different computers, that would explain why I'm swatting a sitenotice every day or two. You can disable it in your .css if you want to. Adding #centralNotice {display:none

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value?

2009-04-22 Thread Nemo_bis
Michael Snow, 22/04/2009 06:52: For example, in Wikiquote, I think an expression of neutral point of view would be to focus on the question of what is actually quotable. Read more here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Neutral_point_of_view_on_Wikiquote Regrettably, en.wikiquote does not have

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value?

2009-04-22 Thread Nemo_bis
Nemo_bis, 22/04/2009 23:49: this NPOV policy has been really useful on it.wikiquote. I forgot to mention that we have also policies on original research (http://it.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:NRO) and notability (http://it.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Wikiquote#Significativit.C3.A0): it was very

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value?

2009-04-22 Thread Samuel Klein
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:25 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Some of the NPOV-related problems may be solved by talking about context. If we say that a single piece of art (or propaganda or whatever) is not a context, then problems related to Commons are solved. Yes. Context is

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value?

2009-04-22 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/22 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com: Science is not yet neutral.  The 'scientific method' we currently use as a meterstick is a fairly casual method, often producing biased or context-free results, which would be improved by a bit of the same self-reflection required to describe

Re: [Foundation-l] New Business Partnership with Orange

2009-04-22 Thread Kul Takanao Wadhwa
Hi All, I am spreading the news around (I just posted to the internal list) about a new announcement going out in a couple hours. For the past few months I have been working on a deal with Orange (France Telecom) on a new kind of multi-platform (web, mobile, IPTV) partnership for the

Re: [Foundation-l] New Business Partnership with Orange

2009-04-22 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/23 Kul Takanao Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org: I am spreading the news around (I just posted to the internal list) about a new announcement going out in a couple hours. For the past few months I have been working on a deal with Orange (France Telecom) on a new kind of multi-platform

Re: [Foundation-l] New Business Partnership with Orange

2009-04-22 Thread geni
2009/4/23 Kul Takanao Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org: Feel free to contact me or the list if you have any questions. --Kul Will there be at least a rough guide to where this deal will result in the logo turning up legitimately? Will any of the orange products support wikipedia's video format

Re: [Foundation-l] New Business Partnership with Orange

2009-04-22 Thread Tim Starling
Kul Takanao Wadhwa wrote: Hi All, I am spreading the news around (I just posted to the internal list) about a new announcement going out in a couple hours. For the past few months I have been working on a deal with Orange (France Telecom) on a new kind of multi-platform (web, mobile,