Re: [Foundation-l] New Business Partnership with Orange

2009-04-23 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/23 geni geni...@gmail.com: Will any of the orange products support wikipedia's video format and by what mechanism? (hypothesising here) I expect that would require a converter from Ogg Theora to 3GP and Ogg Vorbis to MP3 in the first instance. Gently pressuring phone manufacturers to

Re: [Foundation-l] New Business Partnership with Orange

2009-04-23 Thread Kul Takanao Wadhwa
Will there be at least a rough guide to where this deal will result in the logo turning up legitimately? Yes. We have a list of portals/sites where they plan to profile the content and the logo. We went through the list but we will review the use every quarter and reassess as needed.

[Foundation-l] ID requirements proposed for Germans using video sites

2009-04-23 Thread David Gerard
http://newteevee.com/2009/04/20/achtung-youtube-germany-proposes-federal-id-checks-for-online-video-sites/ German readers - how much of a danger is this? Is Commons enough of a video site? - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] New Business Partnership with Orange

2009-04-23 Thread Robert Rohde
Does the Board get involved in deciding whether to pursue new business oppurtunities like this, or is that something that is solely handled by the Foundation Staff? This question isn't intended as a criticism in any way, I'm just curious what the relationship is like surrounding big new projects

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-23 Thread Ray Saintonge
David Gerard wrote: 2009/4/22 Milos Rancic And if you want to force any kind of neutrality there, you would get the same kind of scientific production which existed in East European countries during 50s and 60s: A (very good) book about ancient Greek literature starts with 20-30 pages of

Re: [Foundation-l] ID requirements proposed for Germans using video sites

2009-04-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/4/23 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: http://newteevee.com/2009/04/20/achtung-youtube-germany-proposes-federal-id-checks-for-online-video-sites/ German readers - how much of a danger is this? Is Commons enough of a video site? Commons isn't a German site, so I don't see a problem. The WMF

Re: [Foundation-l] ID requirements proposed for Germans using video sites

2009-04-23 Thread Sebastian Moleski
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: ... The WMF has always said that it intends to follow US law only and not try and cater to the laws of every country in the world - that includes Germany {{citation needed}} Sebastian

Re: [Foundation-l] ID requirements proposed for Germans using video sites

2009-04-23 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/23 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: Commons isn't a German site, so I don't see a problem. The WMF has always said that it intends to follow US law only and not try and cater to the laws of every country in the world - that includes Germany. The article mentions a plan to force

Re: [Foundation-l] ID requirements proposed for Germans using video sites

2009-04-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/4/23 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: 2009/4/23 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: Commons isn't a German site, so I don't see a problem. The WMF has always said that it intends to follow US law only and not try and cater to the laws of every country in the world - that includes

[Foundation-l] The EFF appears to be somewhat upset by the foundation

2009-04-23 Thread geni
Can a noncommercial critical website use the trademark of the entity it critiques in its domain name? Surprisingly, it appears that the usually open-minded folks at Wikipedia think not. http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/wikipedia-threatens- While I would regard the title of the article as

Re: [Foundation-l] The EFF appears to be somewhat upset by the foundation

2009-04-23 Thread Nathan
Interesting - I wonder if this is in any way related to the decisions underlying the recent board statement on trademarks? Has the Foundation pursued Wikipedia Review in the same manner? Nathan On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 1:51 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: Can a noncommercial critical website

Re: [Foundation-l] The EFF appears to be somewhat upset by the foundation

2009-04-23 Thread Oldak Quill
2009/4/23 geni geni...@gmail.com: Can a noncommercial critical website use the trademark of the entity it critiques in its domain name? Surprisingly, it appears that the usually open-minded folks at Wikipedia think not. http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/wikipedia-threatens- While I would

Re: [Foundation-l] The EFF appears to be somewhat upset by the foundation

2009-04-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/4/23 geni geni...@gmail.com: Can a noncommercial critical website use the trademark of the entity it critiques in its domain name? Surprisingly, it appears that the usually open-minded folks at Wikipedia think not. http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/wikipedia-threatens- While I would

[Foundation-l] The EFF appears to be somewhat upset by the foundation

2009-04-23 Thread Mike Godwin
Nathan writes: Interesting - I wonder if this is in any way related to the decisions underlying the recent board statement on trademarks? Has the Foundation pursued Wikipedia Review in the same manner? I can answer that question -- it's wholly unrelated to the recent Board statement on

Re: [Foundation-l] The EFF appears to be somewhat upset by the foundation

2009-04-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/4/23 Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com: If they had transferred the domain name over to us, we'd have paid all their expenses and forwarded requests for some period of time to any new domain name they chose to register. There are other alternatives we might have considered as well. But, take

Re: [Foundation-l] The EFF appears to be somewhat upset by the foundation

2009-04-23 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/23 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: Very true. You have to balance starting high enough that you have room to come down with not appearing unreasonable. It's a difficult balancing act, and I'm not sure you got it quite right this time. Perhaps you could have requested they make

Re: [Foundation-l] New Business Partnership with Orange

2009-04-23 Thread Michael Snow
Robert Rohde wrote: Does the Board get involved in deciding whether to pursue new business oppurtunities like this, or is that something that is solely handled by the Foundation Staff? This question isn't intended as a criticism in any way, I'm just curious what the relationship is like

[Foundation-l] A small update from the LiCom

2009-04-23 Thread Huib Laurens
Hello colleagues, At this time I am going to provide you with a small update from Licensing update committee[1]. On 12 April 2009, a vote concerning the license change[2] was opened and announced via CentralNotice[3]. Between 12 and 19 April, 10.800 votes where cast (including those later

Re: [Foundation-l] ID requirements proposed for Germans using video sites

2009-04-23 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/23 Sebastian Moleski seb...@gmail.com: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: ... The WMF has always said that it intends to follow US law only and not try and cater to the laws of every country in the world - that includes Germany {{citation

Re: [Foundation-l] A small update from the LiCom

2009-04-23 Thread Amir Elisha Aharoni
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 23:31, Huib Laurens abi...@forgotten-beauty.com wrote: Discussion and questions can be expressed on Meta[4]. So far, 39 people have asked questions there, with most of them being answered within 24 hours. Thanks for the interesting statistics. May i also add *

Re: [Foundation-l] ID requirements proposed for Germans using video sites

2009-04-23 Thread Ian A. Holton
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM, syr...@gmx.de wrote: On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 07:51:27 GMT, David Gerard wrote: http://newteevee.com/2009/04/20/achtung-youtube-germany-proposes-federal-id-checks-for-online-video-sites/ German readers - how much of a danger is this? Is Commons enough of a

Re: [Foundation-l] ID requirements proposed for Germans using video sites

2009-04-23 Thread Sebastian Moleski
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: ...The WMF has always said that it intends to follow US law only and not try and cater to the laws of every country in the world - that includes Germany {{citation needed}} What do want a citation for, the WMF

Re: [Foundation-l] Principle and pragmatism with nudity and sexual content

2009-04-23 Thread private musings
ok - well to try and take sj's sage advice, and move this conversation forward, I'll focus on one smaller aspect of the bigger issue. Commons currently has quite a few photographs of people in various states of undress on beaches. The permission of the subject's for this material, for example, an

Re: [Foundation-l] Principle and pragmatism with nudity and sexual content

2009-04-23 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: This is under understanding the whole issue is not covered by BLP policy (I assume if a vagina is shown but the face is not this is not a BLP issue). I would feel better if we got model rights whenever using

Re: [Foundation-l] The EFF appears to be somewhat upset by the foundation

2009-04-23 Thread Mike Godwin
David Gerard writes: They're performance artists. This is more performance. They fooled the EFF into playing along. This is precisely my own take on the situation. --Mike ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] The EFF appears to be somewhat upset by the foundation

2009-04-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/4/23 Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com: David Gerard writes: They're performance artists. This is more performance. They fooled the EFF into playing along. This is precisely my own take on the situation. I don't disagree. I think we've unnecessarily given them more material to work with,

Re: [Foundation-l] Principle and pragmatism with nudity and sexual content

2009-04-23 Thread Samuel Klein
Last post on this thread. On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:38 PM, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: There are many shots clearly 'posed' - which I personally feel means that permission is clearly granted by the subject - however there are also many which don't indicate that the subject

Re: [Foundation-l] The EFF appears to be somewhat upset by the foundation

2009-04-23 Thread Mike Godwin
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: I don't disagree. I think we've unnecessarily given them more material to work with, though, which is unfortunate. There's always a risk associated with engaging with any kind of performance artist. These guys

Re: [Foundation-l] The EFF appears to be somewhat upset by the foundation

2009-04-23 Thread Michael Snow
Mike Godwin wrote: David Gerard writes: They're performance artists. This is more performance. They fooled the EFF into playing along. This is precisely my own take on the situation. It's basically proven by the notable lack of other art appearing on their site in the meantime.

Re: [Foundation-l] The EFF appears to be somewhat upset by the foundation

2009-04-23 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/23 Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net: It's basically proven by the notable lack of other art appearing on their site in the meantime. I was mildly amused that one of the sources on their wiki page drew a comparison between the project and Andrew Keen, which I suppose fits in with the

Re: [Foundation-l] The EFF appears to be somewhat upset by the foundation

2009-04-23 Thread Michael Snow
David Gerard wrote: 2009/4/23 Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net: It's basically proven by the notable lack of other art appearing on their site in the meantime. I was mildly amused that one of the sources on their wiki page drew a comparison between the project and Andrew Keen, which I

Re: [Foundation-l] The EFF appears to be somewhat upset by the foundation

2009-04-23 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/24 Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net: David Gerard wrote: 2009/4/23 Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net: It's basically proven by the notable lack of other art appearing on their site in the meantime. I was mildly amused that one of the sources on their wiki page drew a comparison

Re: [Foundation-l] ID requirements proposed for Germans using video sites

2009-04-23 Thread Mark Williamson
I think he was joking. I got a pretty nice laugh out of that. skype: node.ue 2009/4/23 Sebastian Moleski seb...@gmail.com: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: ...The WMF has always said that it intends to follow US law only and not try and cater

Re: [Foundation-l] The EFF appears to be somewhat upset by the foundation

2009-04-23 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
Did you consider starting off with asking for a simple disclaimer? If they don't have it uploaded and one was sent, disregard previous statement. From: Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com To: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com Cc: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing

[Foundation-l] Usability Study Results (Sneak Preview)

2009-04-23 Thread Parul Vora
Hi all! The Wikipedia Usability Initiative conducted a user research study with SF based Bolt Peters in late March to uncover barriers new editors face. We are in the process of completing a full report on our methodology, process and analysis, but wanted to share with you some of the major

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-23 Thread Anthony
I'm not sure what the answer is, and I agree with you that it's not easily resolved, but it seems to me that some sort of neutrality policy ought to apply to Commons. In my opinion the universal form of the NPOV policy is simple - be honest. On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Mike.lifeguard