Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-29 Thread David Gerard
2009/5/29 Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) newyorkb...@gmail.com: You know ... I can't think of a single instance in which I've ever seen Wikipedia content reused in which the GFDL was followed.  In EVERY instance, the attribution has either been messed up or omitted altogether. I'm not saying this is

[Foundation-l] Testing of the LocalisationUpdate extension

2009-05-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, We have been testing the LocalisationUpdate extension for some time now and, we consider it quite good at the moment. We have been testing it in a test environment and we would like to expand our testing to MediaWiki wikis that do not run in English or any of the other languages that are

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:00 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Ditching the GFDL in favour of a licence that's actually possible to keep to in practice is one of the best ideas ever. You haven't ditched the GFDL though. In fact, the success of your relicensing relies on the claim

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-29 Thread geni
2009/5/29 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:00 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Ditching the GFDL in favour of a licence that's actually possible to keep to in practice is one of the best ideas ever. You haven't ditched the GFDL though. In fact, the success of

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Chrome to support Ogg Theora video natively

2009-05-29 Thread Michael Dale
Yep, good news indeed :) Kat Walsh wrote: Another step towards an open web -- Google's Chrome browser is going to support Theora video natively with the HTML5 video tag: http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/05/google-chrome-3-adds-html5.html http://codereview.chromium.org/115625/diff/1/2

[Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-29 Thread Milos Rancic
Probably, some of you already saw that Google made something for which I think that it will be the new form of the mainstream Internet perception. You may read Slashdot article [1], a good description at the blog Google Operating System [2] (not officially connected with Google) and, of course,

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-29 Thread Chad
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Probably, some of you already saw that Google made something for which I think that it will be the new form of the mainstream Internet perception. You may read Slashdot article [1], a good description at the blog Google

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:09 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/29 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:00 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Ditching the GFDL in favour of a licence that's actually possible to keep to in practice is one of the best ideas

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, A programmer friend of mine has had a look at the documentation that is already available and wants to integrate MediaWiki and Wave. The one thing that he wants at this time is access to Wave as a developer and realise this dream... The question is how do I get access for him. Wave's demoes

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Very cool. Not sure if I buy into the this is the future of the internet, but very very cool indeed. Adding people to a conversation already in progress is cool. The rest of it...I dunno...what's the point?

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 3:52 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/29 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: I'm not sure where you get the no from. The relicensing was done for the sake of third parties, not for Wikipedia sites. It's means that even if your arguments about wikimedia not

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-29 Thread geni
2009/5/29 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: My comment was that the success of your 'relicensing' relies on the claim that you're following it. In other words, the only reason you claim to be able to relicense content under CC-BY-SA is because you claim the GFDL allows you to do that (it doesn't

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-29 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Who can help out ? Erik? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-29 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Adding people to a conversation already in progress is cool.  The rest of it...I dunno...what's the point? Basically, moving the Internet usage from the client-server model to the peer-to-peer model with auxiliary role of

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-29 Thread Chad
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Adding people to a conversation already in progress is cool.  The rest of it...I dunno...what's the point? Basically, moving the Internet usage from the

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Adding people to a conversation already in progress is cool. The rest of it...I dunno...what's the point? Basically, moving the Internet usage from

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-29 Thread David Gerard
2009/5/30 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: I don't get it... this is just MSN Messenger on steroids. It's a great idea and if it works it should be really useful, but it isn't world-changing and certainly isn't going to restructure the internet. No, no - it's Google Chat on steroids!

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-29 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:42 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: That would be great, but wouldn't it also mean the death of Google and pretty much any company which relies on web advertising to make money? How do you make money off of P2P? Software and data license fees, I guess, but is

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-29 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/5/30 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:42 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: That would be great, but wouldn't it also mean the death of Google and pretty much any company which relies on web advertising to make money?  How do you make money off of P2P?  

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-29 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/5/30 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: It would be whatever on steroids as a proprietary software model or free-client-proprietary-server model. However, this model have the same potential as email had a couple of decades ago. Not really. This isn't that different to existing technology,

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 5:30 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/29 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: My comment was that the success of your 'relicensing' relies on the claim that you're following it. In other words, the only reason you claim to be able to relicense content under

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-29 Thread geni
2009/5/30 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: Once you've established a prima facie case of copyright infringement, the burden of proof is on the defense to show that they have a valid license. The copyright holder doesn't have to build any case at all. The burden of proof is on the reuser to show

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: It would be whatever on steroids as a proprietary software model or free-client-proprietary-server model. However, this model have the same potential as email had a couple of decades ago. Probably more comparable to the

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:26 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: The material has been released under the GFDL nothing wikimedia can do can change that. Sure. Therefor it can be switched to CC-BY-SA-3.0. {{citation needed}}...or should I say {{dubious}}? Really Anthony even by your

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:26 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/30 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: Once you've established a prima facie case of copyright infringement, the burden of proof is on the defense to show that they have a valid license. The copyright holder doesn't have to

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2009/5/29 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: Probably, some of you already saw that Google made something for which I think that it will be the new form of the mainstream Internet perception. You may read Slashdot

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I have seen the presentation.. I have noticed that there were plenty of moments where it was stated that this is an early version of the software and that it needs more polishing. At this same presentation all the developers that were in this room received an invite to start developing