[Foundation-l] No default codec for video and audio in HTML5

2009-07-02 Thread Hay (Husky)
http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-June/020620.html Unfortunately OGG Theora didn't make it as the default codec for the HTML5 video element in the spec. Until one of the two major formats (Theora and H264) is clearly the major format the HTML5 spec will not specify a

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Re: [Foundation-l] No default codec for video and audio in HTML5

2009-07-02 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/7/3 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu: H264 already plays in, IIRC, 98% of browsers through flash. Flash isn't generally available out of the box, though, is it? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] No default codec for video and audio in HTML5

2009-07-02 Thread Hay (Husky)
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Flash isn't generally available out of the box, though, is it? In theory, no. In practice, yes. Adobe claims around 99% of all web users to have Flash installed.

Re: [Foundation-l] No default codec for video and audio in HTML5

2009-07-02 Thread Brian
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Hay (Husky) hus...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Flash isn't generally available out of the box, though, is it? In theory, no. In practice, yes. Adobe claims around 99% of all web users to have

Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems

2009-07-02 Thread John at Darkstar
Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site would be http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/; That is 96 chars, with spaces, of 140 bytes available in a SMS. For some languages the attribution will take more than

Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems

2009-07-02 Thread Brian
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:32 PM, John at Darkstar vac...@jeb.no wrote: Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site would be http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/; That is 96 chars, with spaces, of 140 bytes

Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems

2009-07-02 Thread Brian
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:32 PM, John at Darkstar vac...@jeb.no wrote: Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site would be http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use

Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems

2009-07-02 Thread Robert Rohde
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: I actually was not aware that the terms now ask you to link not only to the article, but to the license as well. That is a burden. Linking to the license (or providing it's actual text) is an explicit requirement of CC-BY-SA.

Re: [Foundation-l] No default codec for video and audio in HTML5

2009-07-02 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: It's a shame they couldn't get all vendors to agree to ship both ogg and h264 codecs. No, it's not. H.264 is patented and you need to pay licensing fees to use it. It's not an open standard and should not be used on the web

Re: [Foundation-l] No default codec for video and audio in HTML5

2009-07-02 Thread Brian
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.comsimetrical%2bwikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: It's a shame they couldn't get all vendors to agree to ship both ogg and h264 codecs. No, it's not. H.264

Re: [Foundation-l] No default codec for video and audio in HTML5

2009-07-02 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: A compromise is a win-win. Compromising is not a good idea per se. It's only a good idea if it advances your goals more than refusing to compromises. Some compromises are bad and should not be accepted. If you put enough

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?

2009-07-02 Thread Jennifer Riggs
-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:09:00 +0100 From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus? To: Wikimedia Foundation

Re: [Foundation-l] No default codec for video and audio in HTML5

2009-07-02 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/3 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu: A compromise is a win-win. In the absence of a compromise its a lose-lose. Except that H264 wins since almost all of us already support it. Relying on something rendered radioactive by the software patents attached to it is not a win. It would be

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?

2009-07-02 Thread Brian
Sorry, where I said AbuseFilter I meant to say FlaggedRevisions. I'm not sure on how AbuseFilter came to be agreed on. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jennifer Riggs jri...@wikimedia.orgwrote: I'm curious. In your

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?

2009-07-02 Thread Robert Rohde
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: snip I really like the ParserFunctions example. Enabled with hardly any discussion and now used 500,000 times on the English Wikipedia. It had a major effect on Wikipedia that made it much harder to use. And now we are stuck

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?

2009-07-02 Thread Brian
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: snip I really like the ParserFunctions example. Enabled with hardly any discussion and now used 500,000 times on the English Wikipedia. It had a

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?

2009-07-02 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Robert Rohderaro...@gmail.com wrote: (For the record, I'm referring to the earliest history of ParserFunctions.  I'm not sure about the history of #expr and some of the later bits.) #expr was present since the first commit (r13505).

Re: [Foundation-l] No default codec for video and audio in HTML5

2009-07-02 Thread Mike.lifeguard
Purely out of ignorance, why do we like ogg, but not H264? Or is it not that we don't /like/ it, but rather we simply don't support it as a format for whatever reason? Thanks, -Mike ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org