Re: [Foundation-l] [Fwd: A chapters-related question]

2009-07-06 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
Do we really need so much stuff for these groups? I agree with a basic charter for each group, but all the regulation (yearly renewal, regular reporting) seems bureaucratic and pointless. It is not the wikimedian way to control but rather to nurture an organic community. Also, we should let

Re: [Foundation-l] [Fwd: A chapters-related question]

2009-07-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, A typical scenario would be like this. An organisation does something that is of interest to the WMF. The WMF and the organisation decide to cooperate on this. Depending on what the project is, the WMF may decide to be actively involve or sponsor the activity. The sponsorship is either

Re: [Foundation-l] [Fwd: A chapters-related question]

2009-07-06 Thread Ray Saintonge
Anders Wennersten wrote: I agree with you analysis, and that we need to come up with some definition of entities not being a chapter but in need of official recognition and having some rights being formally regulated . I would suggest we 1. come up with a name for these types of groups -

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?

2009-07-06 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/3 Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com: {{qif}} was being used massively, even if the majority of the community didn't know about it (or care). It supported their work and allowed them to do the things with templates that they needed in articles. I would argue these complex templates came

Re: [Foundation-l] A chapters-related question

2009-07-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
I agree that this is a discussion worth having. Chapters fulfil one very specific purpose (furthering the goals of the movement within a certain geographical area), there are all kinds of other useful things to do which need appropriate tools. Several people have talked about informal groups

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?

2009-07-06 Thread geni
2009/7/6 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: 2009/7/3 Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com: {{qif}} was being used massively, even if the majority of the community didn't know about it (or care). It supported their work and allowed them to do the things with templates that they needed in articles. I

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?

2009-07-06 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/6 geni geni...@gmail.com: Questionable. Since for fairly obvious reasons you can't let wikipedians execute arbitrary code through templates there is always going to be the problem of wikipedians useing workarounds that generate problematical code. ParserFunctions is already

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?

2009-07-06 Thread geni
2009/7/6 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: 2009/7/6 geni geni...@gmail.com: Questionable. Since for fairly obvious reasons you can't let wikipedians execute arbitrary code through templates there is always going to be the problem of wikipedians useing workarounds that generate problematical

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?

2009-07-06 Thread Robert Rohde
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:29 AM, genigeni...@gmail.com wrote: snip Getting back to the point attempts to highly optimize code to stay within whatever the new equivalent of [[Wikipedia:Template_limits]] would risk even a fairly clean language turning into something of a mess. Any reasonable

Re: [Foundation-l] A chapters-related question

2009-07-06 Thread Mike.lifeguard
On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 21:54 -0700, Michael Snow wrote: One example is interest groups that aren't tied to geography, the way the chapters are. I always cite the idea of an Association of Blind Wikipedians, who might wish to organize to promote work on accessibility issues. Actually, that

Re: [Foundation-l] A chapters-related question

2009-07-06 Thread Thomas de Souza Buckup
Michael, thanks for starting this thread. I'll try to synthesize below some information about the development of the Brazilian chapter. I hope the list will find it useful. A group of volunteers spent more than one year discussing, writing, translating and approving the bylaws to create a legal

Re: [Foundation-l] Why Wikipedia and not the Wikipedia?

2009-07-06 Thread Samuel Klein
Once a name or monument transcends what it originally named and is used by reference to describe similar things elsewhere, there is a tendency to add the definite article -- the Earth, the Sun, the Sphinx, the Oracle, the Colosseum. I do see people running wikis of any sort on their own or their

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] On templates and programming languages

2009-07-06 Thread Robert Rohde
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Robert Rohderaro...@gmail.com wrote: snip An idea that has been toyed with a couple of other places is to allow defined blocks and references to them in article text.  For example: An article might start: display name=infobox / Thomas Jefferson was the third