Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-17 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Christine Moellenberndt cmoellenber...@wikimedia.org wrote: I am loathe to dive in here, since it was my post that kind of kick-started this whole thing and I certainly don't want to draw any more fire to be honest. But I also feel loathe to stay away,

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-17 Thread K. Peachey
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Christine Moellenberndt cmoellenber...@wikimedia.org wrote: I am loathe to dive in here, since it was my post that kind of kick-started this whole thing and I certainly don't want to draw any more fire to be honest. Don't worry you didn't kick start anything,

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-17 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Communication is why I am absolutely happy when I find someone from the staff doing his or her thing on meta or foundation-l. When you compare that to the separation between the professionals and the community that is the result of the many private ways of communicating. Why for instance is

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-17 Thread FT2
I stayed at the WMF offices a couple of months ago and checking out this gap was one of the aims of my visit. It was quite an eye opener. Although WMF staff can learn to communicate better, the position seems to be that the community grossly under-estimates what they are doing, their competence,

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-17 Thread Birgitte SB
- Original Message From: Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wed, February 16, 2011 11:07:04 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT) On Feb 17, 2011, at 12:00 AM, MZMcBride

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-17 Thread Alison M. Wheeler
On 17 February 2011 08:47, Christine Moellenberndt (and by the way, this is just little me with a cat on her lap talking, not WMF employee talking) Something which might be worth bearing in mind is that (sfaiaa!) everyone involved with the projects - staff and volunteer alike - use a

Re: [Foundation-l] [Fwd: Re: Do WMF want enwp.org?]

2011-02-17 Thread Lucien leGrey
+1 Thanks, Thomas :) 2011/2/16 Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 5:27 PM, BĂ©ria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: I preffer wp.org (if is possible) to make internationalization easier. So to en.wiki would be en.wp.org, de.wiki de.wp.org and etc. That would be a good

Re: [Foundation-l] [Fwd: Re: Do WMF want enwp.org?]

2011-02-17 Thread Frederic Schutz
On 16/02/11 23:06, Moka Pantages wrote: If WMF want enwp.org I will gladly hand it over. Thank you for running this service! I use it all the time for including wikipedia links in Twitter. It would be nice if it was officially supported by WMF or you were given resources necessary to

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-17 Thread whothis
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Alison M. Wheeler wikime...@alisonwheeler.com wrote: On 17 February 2011 08:47, Christine Moellenberndt (and by the way, this is just little me with a cat on her lap talking, not WMF employee talking) Something which might be worth bearing in mind is

Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing Hisham Mundol as WMF consultant for National Programs, India

2011-02-17 Thread whothis
Oh Congratulations to Mr. Mundol. Don't forget to pass on my regards to Mr. Achal Prabhala. On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Barry Newstead bnewst...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:32 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Barry Newstead wrote: As I have mentioned in the

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-17 Thread Fred Bauder
One suggestion I made was that, since communication between office and community is so critical, it might be worth the foundation employing one person at the office purely for community/office liaison (via this list, on Meta, etc). In other words their role is to be at the office and

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-17 Thread Christine Moellenberndt
On 2/17/11 9:23 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: Yes, worthwhile, although this list would be only a minor part of such monitoring. An experienced Wikipedian needs to monitor the mailing lists, Village Pump, requests for arbitration, and the administrative noticeboards regularly and prepare a brief

Re: [Foundation-l] VPAT

2011-02-17 Thread The Mono
i (sic) also noticed the grammar. On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Pedro Sanchez pdsanc...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Christine Moellenberndt cmoellenber...@wikimedia.org wrote: The answer is, to the best of our knowledge, no. But we'd like to improve that. i took it

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-17 Thread Christine Moellenberndt
On 2/17/11 8:29 AM, whothis wrote: If someone asks a question in a conference publicly, you can't take them aside and answer individually and expect that to satisfy the rest of the audience. Actually, I'd like to beg to differ here. I have been to conferences where questions have been

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-17 Thread whothis
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:44 PM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: Not quite so. I've just been working at the community department and indeed, it does include quite a large proportion from the community. When I was there, Steve Walling was around, two people from Russian community were

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-17 Thread whothis
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Christine Moellenberndt cmoellenber...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 2/17/11 8:29 AM, whothis wrote: If someone asks a question in a conference publicly, you can't take them aside and answer individually and expect that to satisfy the rest of the audience.

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-17 Thread whothis
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Christine Moellenberndt cmoellenber...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 2/17/11 9:23 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: Yes, worthwhile, although this list would be only a minor part of such monitoring. An experienced Wikipedian needs to monitor the mailing lists, Village

Re: [Foundation-l] Do WMF want enwp.org?

2011-02-17 Thread Ashar Voultoiz
On 16/02/11 21:37, Thomas Wang wrote: If WMF want enwp.org I will gladly hand it over. Can we please stop multiplying the number of domains? Although the registration is cheap, the administration overhead is not that cheap. I also find it dilutes the power of the Wikipedia brand. The '140

[Foundation-l] Khan Academy

2011-02-17 Thread Lodewijk
Hi, probably a lot of people know http://www.khanacademy.org . Really cool stuff, that could potentially be a great base for Wikibooks etc, and Wikimedia could possibly be a great help in getting stuff translated, subtitled etc. However, it is NC-licensed. Did anyone ever have contact with

Re: [Foundation-l] Huge soapbox on foudantion-l tl; dr at bottom (was: Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-17 Thread Birgitte SB
- Original Message From: Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thu, February 17, 2011 11:23:27 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT) One suggestion I made was that, since

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-17 Thread geni
On 17 February 2011 18:49, whothis whoth...@gmail.com wrote: All that seems rather useless for the most part, I doubt anything from an RfA or the AN/I has been brought up this list. WT:RFA tends to be pretty wide ranging and WP:AN/I is one of the places major flareups can begin (although I