Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

2011-04-04 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2011/4/2 Rodan Bury bury.ro...@gmail.com: The analysis of the qualitative and quantitative results of the Usability Initiative is not a question anybody can answer. Comments like I personally prefer monobook (fictional example) does not help to make an analysis based on facts. Erik Möller's

Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

2011-04-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 April 2011 16:20, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: I understand that WMF's resources are limited, but the development and the deployment of Vector did cost some money and also forced a lot of volunteers in English and in all other language projects to make adjustments

Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

2011-04-04 Thread FT2
Thread title? FT2 On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 4:27 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: See the current thread on wikitech-l about how chronically broken most site JavaScript is and what to do about the problem ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

2011-04-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 April 2011 16:33, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: Thread title? Focus on sister projects. Lots of the archive page as of today: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2011-April/ - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

2011-04-04 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2011/4/4 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com On 4 April 2011 16:20, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: I understand that WMF's resources are limited, but the development and the deployment of Vector did cost some money and also forced a lot of volunteers in English and in all

Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

2011-04-04 Thread FT2
I'm not seeing discussion of chronically broken code there. Just discussion of redundant code (due to 1.17) and cleanup. Any chance of a pointer to something that sums up the chronically broken nature of site script? FT2 On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 4:41 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

2011-04-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 April 2011 17:20, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not seeing discussion of chronically broken code there. Just discussion of redundant code (due to 1.17) and cleanup. Any chance of a pointer to something that sums up the chronically broken nature of site script? e.g.

Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

2011-04-04 Thread Rodan Bury
2011/4/4 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il 2011/4/4 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com On 4 April 2011 16:20, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: I understand that WMF's resources are limited, but the development and the deployment of Vector did cost some

Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

2011-04-04 Thread Erik Moeller
2011/4/4 Rodan Bury bury.ro...@gmail.com: As Erik Möller said the qualitative analysis is the user testing with a few dozens of users. This user testing was conducted several times during the development cycle, and it was thorough. The best user testing consist of no more than 30 users, and I

Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

2011-04-04 Thread THURNER rupert
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 22:14, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2011/4/4 Rodan Bury bury.ro...@gmail.com: As Erik Möller said the qualitative analysis is the user testing with a few dozens of users. This user testing was conducted several times during the development cycle, and it was

Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

2011-04-04 Thread Erik Moeller
2011/4/4 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il: For example, in the Hebrew Wikipedia there was a Search and Replace gadget long before the advent of Vector's Search and Replace dialog. It was developed due to popular demand, bottom-up, by a volunteer, and - here's the scariest part -

[Foundation-l] Request for moderation of Dan Rosenthal and Andrew Garrett

2011-04-04 Thread Virgilio A. P. Machado
After a cool off period of about 48 hours and considerable reflection, it is my conviction that the posts of two above mentioned editors should be moderated from now on. Andrew Garrett wrote, Sun Apr 3 10:13:26 UTC 2011, Your messages are deliberately obnoxious, unpleasant, and off-topic to

Re: [Foundation-l] Request for moderation of Dan Rosenthal and AndrewGarrett

2011-04-04 Thread Phil Nash
Oh dear. In the hurly-burly of Wikipedia especially, trenchant, even strong, language seems to be accepted from some but not from others. Some give and take should be allowed but when a top 100 contributor is desysopped for little else by WP's ArbCom, who knows where the limits may be? This is

Re: [Foundation-l] Request for moderation of Dan Rosenthal and Andrew Garrett

2011-04-04 Thread Casey Brown
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado v...@fct.unl.pt wrote: Andrew Garrett wrote, Sun Apr 3 10:13:26 UTC 2011, Your messages are deliberately obnoxious, unpleasant, and off-topic to boot. it is unclear what messages he is referring to, but these are not acceptable terms to

Re: [Foundation-l] Request for moderation of Dan Rosenthal and Andrew Garrett

2011-04-04 Thread Sarah
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado v...@fct.unl.pt wrote: Andrew Garrett wrote, Sun Apr 3 10:13:26 UTC 2011, Your messages are deliberately obnoxious, unpleasant, and off-topic to boot. Andrew was sticking up for you, Virgilio, not addressing that comment at you, so that

Re: [Foundation-l] Request for moderation of Dan Rosenthal and Andrew Garrett

2011-04-04 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Andrew was clearly referring to me, lets leave him out of this please. -Dan On Apr 4, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: After a cool off period of about 48 hours and considerable reflection, it is my conviction that the posts of two above mentioned editors should be moderated

Re: [Foundation-l] Foundation too passive, wasting community talent

2011-04-04 Thread MZMcBride
Jan Kucera (Kozuch) wrote: why is the Foundation so passive??? I have been since almost 5 years with various Wikimedia projects and I can really see NO PROGRESS from the side of the Foundation but more employees, 2 new blogs, new Vector skin and maybe MediaWiki performance tweaks. My

Re: [Foundation-l] Request for moderation of Dan Rosenthal and Andrew Garrett

2011-04-04 Thread Fred Bauder
Machado initiated this matter by posting a sarcastic message directed at me to the effect that I was ignorant. I'm sorry if someone has overdone it in responding to him, but the ugliness started with him. Fred Bauder After a cool off period of about 48 hours and considerable reflection, it is

[Foundation-l] All wikimedia sites were blocked again in China

2011-04-04 Thread Mingli Yuan
Hi, folks, When I browsed Wikipedia this morning, I found all wikimedia sites were blocked again in China. And several others reported blocking by their ISP also. Recently Ai WeiWei, a famous artist and activist, were detained by the government, it seems that the government seized their control

Re: [Foundation-l] All wikimedia sites were blocked again in China

2011-04-04 Thread phoebe ayers
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Mingli Yuan mingli.y...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, folks, When I browsed Wikipedia this morning, I found all wikimedia sites were blocked again in China. And several others reported blocking by their ISP also. Recently Ai WeiWei, a famous artist and activist, were

Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

2011-04-04 Thread brock.wel...@gmail.com
In nothing more then unscientific 'hand my laptop over to a friend, wait, switch themes, wait, ask opinions', repeated with 11 guinea pigs (i mean friends), it came out a wash. After 15 minutes in each theme, it was close to a split. 7 said they preferred monobook, 4 vector. When asked to compare