I'm not convinced that the need to retype your password was the only
or even the main reason why Strategy had relatively few participants
from the community.
Using Strategy as a testbed for liquid threads was also a contributory
factor, I'm sure I wasn't the only person who had problems with
Дана Sunday 10 April 2011 06:36:22 MZMcBride написа:
featured article requirements or anything like that. They might be
inundated with too many links in welcome messages (which I view as a
largely separate issue from policy creep), but I don't think the vast
majority of editors pay any mind to
Being a linguist i am often asked how many languages do i speak. I
don't like that question, because that's not exactly what Linguistics
is about.
Being a Wikipedian i am often asked how many articles did i write. I
don't like that question either, because most work on Wikipedia is
about
Дана Sunday 10 April 2011 08:53:58 Amir E. Aharoni написа:
The Hebrew Wikipedia conducts no new articles days every now and
then, where the editors are encouraged - not enforced - to improve
existing articles rather than create new ones; unfortunately, i have
no data about how well it works.
Both excellent ideas.
To which I'd add - a lot of websites have live chat support, click here to
chat to a customer service agent.
A *click to get help from an experienced editor* button, along with the
reverse suggested *An experienced editor would like to talk to you, click
to accept*
In reply to Virgilio's comments:
1 What would happen if all administrators, bureaucrats and so on were
told to take a hike
I don't know about other projects, but within a few days, perhaps
hours the English Wikipedia would be trashed. With no admins to block
vandals or delete attack pages, and
I know that nobody has the guts to do it, but I wonder... I wonder
what would happen if all administrators, bureaucrats and so on where
told to take a hike. What would happen if new requirements for being
administrator and so forth included assuming real identities, and a
set of real world
Being a linguist i am often asked how many languages do i speak. I
don't like that question, because that's not exactly what Linguistics
is about.
Being a Wikipedian i am often asked how many articles did i write. I
don't like that question either, because most work on Wikipedia is
about
On 10.04.2011 05:03, Dror Kamir wrote:
Are there people who would like to help me collect such cases like those
of Astrology, Kosovo, the Middle East etc. and/or cases that were sent
to arbitration which didn't help much and the like, and productively
analyze them in order to think of better
More comments:
*1 What would happen if all administrators, bureaucrats and so on were told
to take a hike
*
Apart from the oddness of having a community choose people it wishes to do
these roles and then telling them to take a hike (the community choose
these, they aren't imposed),
On 10.04.2011 05:03, Dror Kamir wrote:
Are there people who would like to help me collect such cases like
those
of Astrology, Kosovo, the Middle East etc. and/or cases that were sent
to arbitration which didn't help much and the like, and productively
analyze them in order to think of better
What is the purpose of all those questions? I've always provided that
information to this list and if anything ever come out of it, besides
being scolded by the list masters for making off-list posts, was to
gain a new following of admirers.
Sincerely,
Virgilio A. P. Machado
The reason to
Personally, I am a Wikipedian who prefers the creation of new articles to
the maintenance of old ones. I'd guess I've created several hundred. It's
not that I don't see the value in improving existing articles, I simply find
it more rewarding to make new ones. And efficient - being a person who
On 10 April 2011 13:14, David Moran fordmadoxfr...@gmail.com wrote:
That being said, I think explicit drives and events that encourage
non-creation and article cleanup are great ideas. How is the community at
large to know about our backlog if we don't try to communicate it to them?
Site
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Milos Rancic wikime...@millosh.org wrote:
* Alexa may be unreliable, mostly for smaller sites, but:
** Wikipedia is not small site, as well as top ten sites aren't. Bigger
numbers give more relevant conclusions.
** It gives good clue of what the trends are. I
On 9 April 2011 01:14, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
May someone update manual in which it is written that Wikipedia is the
fifth site by traffic? For the most of 2010 and whole 2011 it has varied
between 6th and 8th place [1].
Repeating that it's on the 5th place says about us one or
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote:
Дана Sunday 10 April 2011 06:36:22 MZMcBride написа:
featured article requirements or anything like that. They might be
inundated with too many links in welcome messages (which I view as a
largely separate issue from
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 8:37 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10 April 2011 13:14, David Moran fordmadoxfr...@gmail.com wrote:
For that matter, the contents of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikipedia_ads might be nice for
the site notice.
Yes, we should start doing this.
On Apr 10, 2011, at 6:28 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote:
4 What it would be like to grant amnesty to all that are currently
banned and/or blocked.
It is just fine, providing we continue to only grant amnesty to those
who accept the terms of
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 9:36 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Risker wrote:
I'm particularly interested in policy simplification; I know our project has
far, far too many complex and even contradictory policies, guidelines, and
miscellaneous pages that result in alphabet soup messages
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Samuel Klein sjkl...@hcs.harvard.edu wrote:
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 8:37 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10 April 2011 13:14, David Moran fordmadoxfr...@gmail.com wrote:
For that matter, the contents of
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 13:54, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote:
* how do I delete an article? and its counterpart: why was my
article deleted?
* how do I merge/split an article?
* hey, can I reference a blogpost in this article?
There are formatting questions that aren't so easy to
Dear friends,
Wikimedia Nederland, the Dutch chapter, has a new board. Please be
welcome on our site with a short Dutch/English message:
http://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Mededelingen
Kind regards
Ziko van Dijk
--
Ziko van Dijk
The Netherlands
http://zikoblog.wordpress.com/
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 13:54, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote:
* how do I delete an article? and its counterpart: why was my
article deleted?
* how do I merge/split an article?
* hey, can I reference a blogpost in
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 14:16, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote:
I didn't list these particular examples because I thought they were
necessarily the hardest problems on the wiki; I listed them because
they're common questions and have historically been the source of a
lot of
On 10 April 2011 16:05, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 13:54, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote:
* how do I delete an article? and its counterpart: why was my
article deleted?
* how do I merge/split an article?
* hey, can I reference a blogpost in this
My apologies for not posting in the proper sequence. This is in
reference to John Vandenberg's post of Sun Apr 10 05:54:28 UTC 2011,
under this same subject.
The two links provided are just the tip of the iceberg. My unwelcome
posts to this list go back, as far as I can tell, to May 2009. I am
I disagree strongly. They are spelled out *as well as we can using current,
one-flat-page methods*. That isn't the same as easy, intuitive, inviting, or
comfortable, for most people. We expect a lot from newcomers. Too much.
When a user can click a button and type *I want to delete an article*
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 14:28, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
In fact a lot of those issues are spelled out very clearly. See
[[WP:BLOGS]] for whether you can reference a blogpost. See
[[WP:INCITE]] for a quick way to add a footnote. See
[[Category:Infobox templates]] for how to add an
Of course. No doubt about it. We have now reached a level beyond
personal attacks. Now my name is used as a thread. So much for focus
on the comment, not the person making the comment.
Will I ever address the comments made? As sure as day follows night.
Sincerely,
Virgilio A. P. Machado
David Gerard wrote:
For that matter, the contents of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikipedia_ads might be nice for
the
site notice.
As long as they all use class=obnoxious-wikipedia-ad-banner. ;-)
At one point there were anon tips above the tabs in Monobook. These were
text-only
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Virgilio A. P. Machado v...@fct.unl.pt
wrote:
Of course. No doubt about it. We have now reached a level beyond
personal attacks. Now my name is used as a thread. So much for focus
on the comment, not the person making the comment.
Pity you prefer to assume
Risker wrote:
The deletion process does look daunting, but actually if you just
clunk through the instructions,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AfD#How_to_list_pages_for_deletion
it's pretty easy, and I say that as someone with a template phobia.
Keeping in mind that I too am an
Sue Gardner wrote:
On 9 April 2011 01:14, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
May someone update manual in which it is written that Wikipedia is the
fifth site by traffic? For the most of 2010 and whole 2011 it has varied
between 6th and 8th place [1].
Repeating that it's on the 5th place
On 10 April 2011 22:56, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
At one point there were anon tips above the tabs in Monobook. These were
text-only snippets that appeared only for logged-out users. For example one
snippet was, Have questions? [[Wikipedia:Questions|Find out how to ask
questions and
On 10 April 2011 23:20, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
As far as I understand this, that would mean that saying Wikipedia is the
fifth most visited website is still completely wrong, as the comScore data
is an aggregate of the various Wikimedia wikis. As the Director of
Wikipedia, I would
FT2 wrote:
To which I'd add - a lot of websites have live chat support, click here to
chat to a customer service agent.
A *click to get help from an experienced editor* button, along with the
reverse suggested *An experienced editor would like to talk to you, click
to accept* popup/notice,
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 2:14 AM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote:
A *click to get help from an experienced editor* button, along with the
reverse suggested *An experienced editor would like to talk to you, click
to accept* popup/notice, would probably work wonders in terms of support
and
Sarah wrote:
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 16:16, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
The entire deletion process is broken and needs to be fixed. Werdna was
working on an extension to make nominating a page for deletion less horrible
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Werdna/dev), but I don't
About liquid threads. It all depends on which Wikimedia project
you're editing and publishing. If you have been using liquid threads
since August 2010, using them now is like a walk in the park.
Aversion to change is, however, a serious question and there's always
a price to pay when it is
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 6:20 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Sue Gardner wrote:
On 9 April 2011 01:14, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
May someone update manual in which it is written that Wikipedia is the
fifth site by traffic? For the most of 2010 and whole 2011 it has varied
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 2:34 AM, WereSpielChequers
werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:
project within meta. In fact if we are serious about the
simplification agenda then migrating the contents of Strategy to meta
would be a logical step to take, perhaps also with a rename to new
ideas as
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 3:50 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Sue Gardner wrote:
On 9 April 2011 01:14, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
May someone update manual in which it is written that Wikipedia is the
fifth site by traffic? For the most of 2010 and whole 2011 it has
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 15:28, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
A newbie who
manages to find [[WP:INCITE]] and follows its instructions is still just as
likely to be trouted because they didn't use the right style of references
for the article (Sorry, Wikiproject:XXX requires that only
My sincere apologies. Did I stated that it could get worse? I had no
idea or prior knowledge that there were people in this list
exchanging posts with Newton. Whenever any of you has a chance,
please give him my best regards.
Sincerely,
Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado)
At 22:12
David Gerard wrote:
On 10 April 2011 22:56, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
At one point there were anon tips above the tabs in Monobook. These were
text-only snippets that appeared only for logged-out users. For example one
snippet was, Have questions? [[Wikipedia:Questions|Find out how
Theo10011 wrote:
I don't think Sue said Wikipedia is the fifth most visited website. Its
'Wikimedia Foundation sites' in comScore data.
I don't think you did your homework.
From http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:2010/SueLetterC/en:
We are the number five website in the world, with
Samuel Klein wrote:
On 9 April 2011 01:14, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
May someone update manual in which it is written that Wikipedia is the
fifth site by traffic? For the most of 2010 and whole 2011 it has varied
between 6th and 8th place [1].
comScore, Alexa, c use different
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 4:38 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Theo10011 wrote:
I don't think Sue said Wikipedia is the fifth most visited website. Its
'Wikimedia Foundation sites' in comScore data.
I don't think you did your homework.
From
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Jim Redmond j...@scrubnugget.com wrote:
The *entire point* of any wiki is that it should be easy to fix most
problems quickly. If a newbie makes mistakes - and they always will,
no matter how awesome our policies and tools are - then experienced
editors should
2011/4/9 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com:
May someone update manual in which it is written that Wikipedia is the
fifth site by traffic? For the most of 2010 and whole 2011 it has varied
between 6th and 8th place [1].
WMF sites are the fifth popular web property in the world according to
Of course there are problems, some of them in plain English. Is
anybody on this list able to do anything about them? I'm sure there
is. That is why I have posted here so many times asking for help.
Have I received any help? None whatsoever.
It's kind of hard to believe that any assiduous
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 16:45, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Sarah wrote:
What is the problem with allowing editors to do this kind of thing
manually -- open AfDs and RfCs, and the like? Why does there always
have to be a template, just as a matter of interest?
Well, you hit the answer
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