Re: [Foundation-l] EFF Bitcoins

2011-06-23 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote: If bitcoin is still in use after the minting reward dries up, we will have a situation where ever larger pools of GPUs will compete for tranasction fees. So I don't think it can be called zero-overhead.

Re: [Foundation-l] Amicus Brief Filed in Golan v. Holder: Fighting for the Public Domain

2011-06-23 Thread Alec Conroy
I imagine that having non-US GLAMs undersand that the foundation wants to be able to ignore what they regard as their more legitimate copyright claims will be really helpful. It's not about ignoring legitimate copyright claims-- we can always decide for ourselves what is a legitimate

[Foundation-l] IRC Office Hours

2011-06-23 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Hi everyone, Just a quick reminder that Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director Sue Gardner will be having office hours in about 10 hours, at 17:00 UTC. There is no pre-set topic for this conversation. As usual, documentation is on Meta.[1] We look forward to chatting. :) pb

Re: [Foundation-l] Amicus Brief Filed in Golan v. Holder: Fighting for the Public Domain

2011-06-23 Thread Alec Conroy
Such works belong to our global knowledge. You can't copyright knowledge. The usual term used there is culture. Clearly, you can copyright knowledge, for a time. True, you can't copyright facts or scientific laws (yet)-- but some forms of knowledge absolutely get copyrighted, and they're

Re: [Foundation-l] EFF Bitcoins

2011-06-23 Thread David Gerard
On 23 June 2011 01:18, Alec Conroy alecmcon...@gmail.com wrote: why.   It's not that we're 'novel currency enthusiasts', it's not that we're trying to undermine the US federal reserve or anything crazy or overtly political. I've looked at the forums. The above doesn't appear to hold. Random

Re: [Foundation-l] Amicus Brief Filed in Golan v. Holder: Fighting for the Public Domain

2011-06-23 Thread Tom Morris
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 08:47, Alec Conroy alecmcon...@gmail.com wrote: Such works belong to our global knowledge. You can't copyright knowledge. The usual term used there is culture. Clearly, you can copyright knowledge, for a time.  True, you can't copyright facts or scientific laws (yet)--

Re: [Foundation-l] EFF Bitcoins

2011-06-23 Thread Alec Conroy
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:27 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 June 2011 01:18, Alec Conroy alecmcon...@gmail.com wrote: why.   It's not that we're 'novel currency enthusiasts', it's not that we're trying to undermine the US federal reserve or anything crazy or overtly

[Foundation-l] Seat and Donations (SPLIT from: EFF Bitcoins)

2011-06-23 Thread Joseph Seddon
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.comwrote: On 6/22/2011 10:14 AM, MZMcBride wrote: Michael Snow wrote: I thought it was reasonably understandable, even without perfect grammar, that Ting was saying that since Matt is no longer at Omidyar, if your

Re: [Foundation-l] Amicus Brief Filed in Golan v. Holder: Fighting for the Public Domain

2011-06-23 Thread geni
On 23 June 2011 07:54, Alec Conroy alecmcon...@gmail.com wrote: It's not about ignoring legitimate copyright claims--  we can always decide for ourselves what is a legitimate copyright claim for WMF-hosted projects. Except the WMF just signed up in support of the EMF side which means it's now

Re: [Foundation-l] Amicus Brief Filed in Golan v. Holder: Fighting for the Public Domain

2011-06-23 Thread David Gerard
On 23 June 2011 15:39, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: Arcane legal arguments about what the law is falls outside the foundation's remit. We are not a lawyers benefit foundation. No the foundation has taken a very practical real world campaigning position which probably sounds great to a

Re: [Foundation-l] Amicus Brief Filed in Golan v. Holder: Fighting for the Public Domain

2011-06-23 Thread geni
On 23 June 2011 16:09, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: At this point you are just being contrary for the sake of a row. Citation needed. That in any case is not a valid counterpoint. If you think the foundation's involvement will have no wider impact feel free to make that case. --

Re: [Foundation-l] Amicus Brief Filed in Golan v. Holder: Fighting for the Public Domain

2011-06-23 Thread Ryan Kaldari
On 6/22/11 7:13 PM, geni wrote: Ohh bad example. You haven't consulted commons policy have you? We don't carry stuff on commons unless it is PD in the US and it's country of origin. I think you're missing the point here. This court decision isn't about allowing us to ignore other country's

Re: [Foundation-l] Amicus Brief Filed in Golan v. Holder: Fighting for the Public Domain

2011-06-23 Thread David Gerard
On 23 June 2011 16:17, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: If you think the foundation's involvement will have no wider impact feel free to make that case. Considering that that's precisely the point - that if the US starts re-enclosing the public domain, it will use its influence to get other

Re: [Foundation-l] Amicus Brief Filed in Golan v. Holder: Fighting for the Public Domain

2011-06-23 Thread geni
On 23 June 2011 19:38, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Considering that that's precisely the point - that if the US starts re-enclosing the public domain, it will use its influence to get other countries to do the same - and I expressly said so upthread, well, no, I'm not going to argue

Re: [Foundation-l] Amicus Brief Filed in Golan v. Holder: Fighting for the Public Domain

2011-06-23 Thread Ryan Kaldari
Europe is already in line. Where the U.S. is exercising its muscle on IP issues is mainly Latin America (where many countries like Brazil, Belize, and Jamaica still have reasonable IP laws). The U.S. commonly pressures Latin American countries on IP issues when negotiating trade agreements.

Re: [Foundation-l] Seat and Donations (SPLIT from: EFF Bitcoins)

2011-06-23 Thread Nathan
Giving extremely generous donors a board seat is somewhat common practice for charitable organizations in the United States. It's not done as a pure quid pro quo so much as a way to foster a valuable relationship and provide benefits in addition to cash. Wikimedia is a little different in that its

Re: [Foundation-l] Amicus Brief Filed in Golan v. Holder: Fighting for the Public Domain

2011-06-23 Thread teun spaans
The number of 3 million surpises me. Common hosts about 10 million items. Are you certain this amount is approximately correct? On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Geoff Brigham gbrig...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Yesterday, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) filed an amicus (friends of the

Re: [Foundation-l] Seat and Donations (SPLIT from: EFF Bitcoins)

2011-06-23 Thread Sue Gardner
On 23 June 2011 05:05, Joseph Seddon seddonw...@gmail.com wrote: I honestly that Matt's appointment was a fantastic thing. He is someone with a lot of knowledge and I wouldn't have battered a eyelid if his appointment had been made at any other time. At the end of the day, things have moved

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-23 Thread rupert THURNER
people working at teacher schools in switzerland approached us a couple of times to push into a direction of *having wikipedia for different age groups *. first discussed ideas included the *groups **kids, junior, standard, *and * expert*. this would mean maximum four times as many articles,

Re: [Foundation-l] Seat and Donations (SPLIT from: EFF Bitcoins)

2011-06-23 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:09 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: It seems to me like you're characterizing Matt-joining-the-board as problematic, while at the same time saying Matt himself is a good board member. That seems contradictory to me. I'm not sure it is. I think what Joseph is saying is that Matt

Re: [Foundation-l] Seat and Donations (SPLIT from: EFF Bitcoins)

2011-06-23 Thread Joseph Seddon
What he said :) Seddon On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:09 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: It seems to me like you're characterizing Matt-joining-the-board as problematic, while at the same time saying Matt himself is a good board

Re: [Foundation-l] Seat and Donations (SPLIT from: EFF Bitcoins)

2011-06-23 Thread Sue Gardner
On 23 June 2011 13:59, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:09 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: It seems to me like you're characterizing Matt-joining-the-board as problematic, while at the same time saying Matt himself is a good board member. That seems contradictory to me.

Re: [Foundation-l] Amicus Brief Filed in Golan v. Holder: Fighting for the Public Domain

2011-06-23 Thread Ryan Kaldari
It's based on the template transclusion count here: http://toolserver.org/~jarry/templatecount/index.php?lang=commonsname=Template%3APD-Layout#bottom Ryan Kaldari On 6/23/11 1:01 PM, teun spaans wrote: The number of 3 million surpises me. Common hosts about 10 million items. Are you certain

Re: [Foundation-l] Seat and Donations (SPLIT from: EFF Bitcoins)

2011-06-23 Thread Michael Snow
On 6/23/2011 1:59 PM, Dan Rosenthal wrote: The lesson to be learned from this, I guess, is that even if you have a good process and a good outcome, sometimes the community doesn't necessarily see it that way, and a greater deal of proactive engagement could be helpful in those cases. Less

Re: [Foundation-l] Seat and Donations (SPLIT from: EFF Bitcoins)

2011-06-23 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Jun 23, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Michael Snow wrote: To be frank, I also disagree that changing the timing would have improved things in any practical sense. It doesn't really obscure the connection much, if that's even what we would want to do. And for people who were worrying about the

Re: [Foundation-l] Seat and Donations (SPLIT from: EFF Bitcoins)

2011-06-23 Thread Kat Walsh
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 23, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Michael Snow wrote: To be frank, I also disagree that changing the timing would have improved things in any practical sense. It doesn't really obscure the connection much, if that's even

[Foundation-l] Showdown

2011-06-23 Thread Virgilio A. P. Machado
The evidence is in. http://human-rights-in-cyberspace.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Portuguese_Wikipedia_language_issues/Recomenda%C3%A7%C3%B5es_de_sentido_%C3%BAnicoWanton vandalism Your move. Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado) Executive Editor,

Re: [Foundation-l] Seat and Donations (SPLIT from: EFF Bitcoins)

2011-06-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 23 June 2011 22:58, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: I am still confused by the argument here. I think your confusion is because you are failing to account for perceptions. It is not good enough to just do things right, you need to be seen to do things right. You can end up with the

Re: [Foundation-l] Seat and Donations (SPLIT from: EFF Bitcoins)

2011-06-23 Thread Alec Conroy
Let me chime in here. Starting at the basic sentiment: At the end of the day, things have moved on without incident but lets not simply ignore this issue. I think that there is something to be learnt and its that care really does need to be taken when repeating a venture like this. That's kinda

Re: [Foundation-l] Seat and Donations (SPLIT from: EFF Bitcoins)

2011-06-23 Thread Mike Godwin
Michael Snow writes: And for people who were worrying about the implications, I think setting things up in stages is just as likely to make it look worse as to make it look better. I think Michael's point here can't be overemphasized. It seems to me likely that there would be just as much

Re: [Foundation-l] Seat and Donations (SPLIT from: EFF Bitcoins)

2011-06-23 Thread Alec Conroy
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: It is not good enough to just do things right, you need to be seen to do things right. I just can't emphasize Thomas's point enough. I spent a lot of words trying to say what he was able to say in a single sentence.

Re: [Foundation-l] Seat and Donations (SPLIT from: EFF Bitcoins)

2011-06-23 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/24/2011 01:58 AM, Kat Walsh wrote: It also wasn't an easy decision to make. The question came down to this one: do we necessarily refuse someone as a candidate solely because they were proposed by a funder? As a Nominating committee [1] member, I have to say a few words about this time,

[Foundation-l] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

2011-06-23 Thread James Heilman via LinkedIn
LinkedIn James Heilman requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: -- Srikant, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - James Accept invitation from James Heilman

Re: [Foundation-l] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

2011-06-23 Thread Huib Laurens
*facepalm* 2011/6/24, James Heilman via LinkedIn mem...@linkedin.com: LinkedIn James Heilman requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: -- Srikant, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - James

Re: [Foundation-l] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

2011-06-23 Thread Mono mium
Please don't spam the list. Kthxbai. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:44 PM, James Heilman via LinkedIn mem...@linkedin.com wrote: LinkedIn    James Heilman requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: -- Srikant, I'd like to add you

Re: [Foundation-l] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

2011-06-23 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Wasn't actually Herman's fault. It's the email addy for the linking account. On Jun 24, 2011 12:10 AM, Mono mium monom...@gmail.com wrote: Please don't spam the list. Kthxbai. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:44 PM, James Heilman via LinkedIn mem...@linkedin.com wrote: LinkedIn