Re: [Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-07-01 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 06/30/2011 07:35 PM, David Gerard wrote: Further to your idea: people developing little specialist wikis along these lines, and said wikis being mergeable. This makes such wikis easier to start, without having to start yet another wiki-based general encyclopedia that directly competes with

Re: [Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-07-01 Thread David Gerard
On 1 July 2011 07:58, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: On 06/30/2011 07:35 PM, David Gerard wrote: Further to your idea: people developing little specialist wikis along these lines, and said wikis being mergeable. This makes such wikis Some things I believe could be easily

Re: [Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-07-01 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 07/01/2011 09:15 AM, David Gerard wrote: On 1 July 2011 07:58, Nikola Smolenskismole...@eunet.rs wrote: On 06/30/2011 07:35 PM, David Gerard wrote: Further to your idea: people developing little specialist wikis along these lines, and said wikis being mergeable. This makes such wikis

Re: [Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-07-01 Thread Alec Conroy
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: On 07/01/2011 09:15 AM, David Gerard wrote: Per HaeB's link, this is a perennial proposal. People like the idea, but in eighteen years - back as far as the Interpedia proposal, before wikis existed - no-one has made one

Re: [Foundation-l] It Is not Us

2011-07-01 Thread KIZU Naoko
Well, respectfully I disagree, Gerard, on your view, or analysis of the stats. Edit is used vague on our community: from writing a FA almost alone to doing a WiiGnome task. We need both, but those two activities require not a same amount of communication skills as well involvement to wiki editing

Re: [Foundation-l] It Is not Us

2011-07-01 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
So I'd like to ask in which way we keep and assure our community as multilingual? Honestly I have been thinking this for years seriously. Even on meta, it was not once I was accused just because I left a note in Japanese - when I had a hardship to express my opinion enough in English. I

Re: [Foundation-l] Languages and numbers

2011-07-01 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
Milosh, thanks for your work. Just to correct: Moksha, Erzya, Yakut (=Sakha), Komi-Zyrian (=Komi) and Lak all have Wikipedias (though admittedly for Lak I am the only active contributor). Adyge is almost identical to Kabardino-Circassian, and Adyge speakers probably will never have their own

Re: [Foundation-l] Languages and numbers

2011-07-01 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2011/7/1 Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru: Adyge is almost identical to Kabardino-Circassian, and Adyge speakers probably will never have their own Wikipedia. From what i hear about this, Adyge and Kabardian may be two varieties of a Circassian [[macrolanguage]]. Maybe someone who cares

Re: [Foundation-l] It Is not Us

2011-07-01 Thread Fred Bauder
I think people should be more flexible in their postings. It is OK to write a message in Japanese and also in not quite perfect, or even rather poor English. Send both. And if there is no English just use Japanese, even on this list. We can all go to Google translate and see more or less what it

Re: [Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-07-01 Thread geni
On 1 July 2011 07:58, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: On 06/30/2011 07:35 PM, David Gerard wrote: Further to your idea: people developing little specialist wikis along these lines, and said wikis being mergeable. This makes such wikis easier to start, without having to start yet

Re: [Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-07-01 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 07/01/2011 04:42 PM, geni wrote: On 1 July 2011 07:58, Nikola Smolenskismole...@eunet.rs wrote: * Ability to surf through multiple wikis. For example, you could be reading article on a specialist wiki such as http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Darmok_%28episode%29 ; upon clicking the link

Re: [Foundation-l] Languages and numbers

2011-07-01 Thread Milos Rancic
On 07/01/2011 01:24 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: Milosh, thanks for your work. Just to correct: Moksha, Erzya, Yakut (=Sakha), Komi-Zyrian (=Komi) and Lak all have Wikipedias (though admittedly for Lak I am the only active contributor). Adyge is almost identical to Kabardino-Circassian, and

[Foundation-l] depraved neutrality / influencing Wikipedia contents on behalf and in favor of industry and organizations

2011-07-01 Thread Thomas Goldammer
Hoi all, as a recent lengthy CU case on de.wp showed, there is clear evidence that two people (a lawyer and a PR entrepeneur) working at the law school of a university in Germany, but on outside funding, have influenced contents of de.wp (away from a neutral point of view) on at least two

Re: [Foundation-l] depraved neutrality / influencing Wikipedia contents on behalf and in favor of industry and organizations

2011-07-01 Thread Rui Correia
Hi Thomas Thanks for sharing this. We need more people like you, willing to display our own rot! We all know why Rome collapsed - nobody would hold up a mirror to see what had become of them. We can't allow that to happen to us. It is bad enough that hundreds of thousands of people out there are

[Foundation-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia Announcements] Language committee report - June 2011

2011-07-01 Thread Milos Rancic
Original Message Subject: [Wikimedia Announcements] Language committee report - June 2011 Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 21:24:03 +0200 From: Robin Pepermans robinp.1...@gmail.com Reply-To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org To: the Wikimedia Incubator incuba...@lists.wikimedia.org,

[Foundation-l] Merge wikis

2011-07-01 Thread WereSpielChequers
One thing I find irritating and complex about our structure is the proliferation of small wikis. Now I've no objection to the idea that we have a wiki for every language on Earth, though where languages are mutually intelligible such as the major dialects of English it seems sensible to me that

Re: [Foundation-l] Merge wikis

2011-07-01 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear colleague, What you say makes absolute sence. I have the suspicion that there was a time, around 2009, that new activities in WMF were eager to have a wiki of its own: Strategy, Outreach and so on. Alas, after a while of retention, there came Ten wiki. The intention was to have a website for

Re: [Foundation-l] Merge wikis

2011-07-01 Thread Fajro
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:52 PM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: One thing I find irritating and complex about our structure is the proliferation of small wikis. Now I've no objection to the idea that we have a wiki for every language on Earth, though where languages are

Re: [Foundation-l] Merge wikis

2011-07-01 Thread Fajro
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote: About the sister projects such as Wiktionary and Wikisource: there is ALS.WP doing that already, maybe knowing that it would be hard to create thoses sister projects in ALS (Alemannic). In general I would like to see

Re: [Foundation-l] Merge wikis

2011-07-01 Thread Tom Morris
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 22:52, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: But I see no reason why ten wiki, Strategy and the various wikimanias each need their own wiki as opposed to being projects within meta. Outreach and Strategy could and should be folded back into Meta... --

Re: [Foundation-l] Merge wikis

2011-07-01 Thread . Courcelles
I couldn't agree more, now that the date has passed, so should ten.wikipedia. Outreach and Strategy have a mission, but nothing so distinct that it would be out of scope on Meta, and combining those three projects would reduce the overhead in time and process required to maintain all three/four

Re: [Foundation-l] Merge wikis

2011-07-01 Thread Chris Keating
Yes, by all means, let's fold some of the different wikis back into one. Every day I seem to bump into a new wiki which someone is expecting me to keep track of. The proliferation of different wikis creates confusion, frustration and generally sub-optimal user journeys. Also, if it was possible