Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

2010-08-09 Thread David Gerard
On 9 August 2010 20:45, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: To address the comments made.  The mediation committee does not have formal means of enforcement.  This is something maybe we should look at creating. What is needed is a group of people who actively research the topic and come to

Re: [Foundation-l] Push translation

2010-08-06 Thread David Gerard
On 6 August 2010 18:47, Michael Galvez michae...@gmail.com wrote: 3. We acquire dictionaries on limited licenses from other parties.  In general, while we can surface this content on our own sites (e.g., Google Translate, Google Dictionary, Google Translator Toolkit), we don't have permission

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Internal-l] Pre-Strategy Finalization Goals Survey (Community)

2010-08-06 Thread David Gerard
On 6 August 2010 20:14, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: I sent this to an internal Wikimedia mailing list earlier today to surface any bugs, and it seems to be working fine.  So, please do fill out this survey, if you've got time :-) [X] I'd like us to have as long as five years to

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for Volunteers: Wikimedia Research Committee

2010-08-04 Thread David Gerard
On 3 August 2010 18:52, Gregory Kohs thekoh...@gmail.com wrote: Will critics of less-than-best-practices within the Wikimedia Foundation be considered for invitation to the Wikimedia Research Committee, or is there some sort of loyalty litmus test going to be applied? I've sent my

Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy policy, statistics and rankings

2010-08-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 August 2010 19:11, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-July/060076.html No detectable project participation. Thanks for your detailed response. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Banner ads in sitenotice

2010-08-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 August 2010 02:32, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 8/2/2010 6:12 PM, MZMcBride wrote: A lot of the complaints I heard regarding the Vector rollout were based in the fact that the Wikimedia Usability team has subverted and bastardized the term usability in an attempt to

Re: [Foundation-l] FBI Seal and Wikimedia

2010-08-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 August 2010 14:31, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/03/us/03fbi.html?hpw The FBI sent a cease desist letter to the WMF demanding the removal of the FBI seal from the English Wikipedia; Mike replied with, in the words of the New York Times, a primer on the

Re: [Foundation-l] FBI Seal and Wikimedia

2010-08-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 August 2010 14:33, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 August 2010 14:31, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/03/us/03fbi.html?hpw The FBI sent a cease desist letter to the WMF demanding the removal of the FBI seal from the English Wikipedia; Mike

Re: [Foundation-l] Free translation memory

2010-08-03 Thread David Gerard
On 1 August 2010 04:08, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Jimmy O'Regan jore...@gmail.com wrote: Open-Tran: http://open-tran.eu/ Is something like translatewiki. Software here: http://code.google.com/p/open-tran/ They also provide their databases for

Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy policy, statistics and rankings

2010-08-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 August 2010 22:05, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: No ethics here then. Tell me, have you ever contributed *anything* to this list, or to a Wikimedia project, that wasn't trolling? - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy policy, statistics and rankings

2010-08-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 August 2010 23:23, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: David Gerard wrote: On 3 August 2010 22:05,  wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: No ethics here then. Tell me, have you ever contributed *anything* to this list, or to a Wikimedia project, that wasn't trolling? How is it trolling

Re: [Foundation-l] Is Google translation is good for Wikipedias?

2010-08-01 Thread David Gerard
On 1 August 2010 03:30, Jimmy O'Regan jore...@gmail.com wrote: Depending on the languages involved, the amount of resources available for those languages, and having realistic expectations, a usable system can be made in as little as 3-6 months by a single motivated volunteer, with help from

Re: [Foundation-l] Why should Wikimedians meet?

2010-07-31 Thread David Gerard
On 31 July 2010 16:21, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: But all of the above are nice dreams about the future. Is there any proven experience from the past that demonstrates why personal meetings between Wikimedians are not just fun for them, but actually beneficial to the

Re: [Foundation-l] Why should Wikimedians meet?

2010-07-31 Thread David Gerard
On 31 July 2010 16:32, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: OK, but how exactly? Why did people have to fly to another continent to start a chapter in their own country? Did they use Wikimania as an opportunity to talk to the people who started the pioneering chapters (Germany,

Re: [Foundation-l] Why should Wikimedians meet?

2010-07-31 Thread David Gerard
On 31 July 2010 18:15, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote: To answer the original post, many projects have resulted from random talks at dinners during Wikimania, five-minute chats between sessions, and people just getting to know each other.  I wish I could take the time to make a more

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions for Potentially-Objectionable Content

2010-07-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 July 2010 20:08, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: failure offer filtering. Frankly, we're already filtering content, even on en.wiki, but only according to a default Western/American POV. We use line drawings instead of photos in articles on sex positions. And this was a

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions for Potentially-Objectionable Content

2010-07-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 July 2010 20:40, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: If photos of Tienanmen protests are forbidden in China, we should remove them for population from China. I certainly hope you're saying this as an attempt at reductio ad absurdum. - d.

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions for Potentially-Objectionable Content

2010-07-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 July 2010 22:14, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: I don't see anything threatening about Mr. Harris evaluating the issues, As has been pointed out several times already, the presumption that there is a case to answer. (#5 on the original board resolution.) I note also that

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions for Potentially-Objectionable Content

2010-07-24 Thread David Gerard
On 24 July 2010 18:39, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 July 2010 18:28, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: - That IPs are shown a mildly censored version, and that seeing the uncensored version of Wikipedia requires registering an account and setting the preferences up accordingly.

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions for Potentially-Objectionable Content

2010-07-24 Thread David Gerard
On 25 July 2010 00:46, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, the devil is in the details, and in working out the correct parameters for default IP access. Each language version of any project could make its own determination in this regard. Arabic, no Mohammed images; India, no sex

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions for Potentially-Objectionable Content

2010-07-24 Thread David Gerard
On 25 July 2010 01:07, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: This didn't save Encarta. They did this as a marketing move. They threw neutrality out the window as a marketing move [1]. That this is a blatant distortion was problematic enough that Britannica took them up on it [2]. I recall

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions for Potentially-Objectionable Content

2010-07-22 Thread David Gerard
On 22 July 2010 12:59, R M Harris rmhar...@sympatico.ca wrote: I’ve posted a series of questions for discussion on the Meta page that hosts the study (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:2010_Wikimedia_Study_of_Controversial_Content.) Please feel free to visit the page and contribute to the

Re: [Foundation-l] Private Wiki

2010-07-22 Thread David Gerard
I've found a shared Google Doc surprisingly usable in practice. (Even shows changes in slightly-behind-real-time!) Lacks history, though. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions for Potentially-Objectionable Content

2010-07-22 Thread David Gerard
On 22 July 2010 16:32, R M Harris rmhar...@sympatico.ca wrote: May I just reply to thank Excirial for the excellent suggestions re:formatting contained in his thoughtful reply (I'll look them over carefully) and just to note a couple of things. I'm well aware of the long-standing debates

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions for Potentially-Objectionable Content

2010-07-22 Thread David Gerard
On 22 July 2010 20:10, Excirial wp.excir...@gmail.com wrote: I would, however, strongly support a system that gives users a choice to censor if they wish. It should be possible to categorize commons in such a way that certain images can be blocked. For example, a user might choose to block

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions for Potentially-Objectionable Content

2010-07-22 Thread David Gerard
On 22 July 2010 21:01, teun spaans teun.spa...@gmail.com wrote: I think I am completely factual. After I wrote this, I went to the questionlist and found the cry we dont censor in one of the reactions. Which proves my point, I think. You yourself use that term in your email. Well, we don't.

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions forPotentially-Objectionable Content

2010-07-22 Thread David Gerard
On 23 July 2010 00:06, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Actually I think there is one issue that has still not been well discussed, and which I think it should be possible to build consensus around (but maybe I'm naive): The issue of context for controversial images. For example,

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

2010-07-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 July 2010 13:17, Manuelt15 Wiki manuelt15.w...@gmail.com wrote: Only wanted to notify you that the Acehnese Wikipedia http://ace.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ôn_Keuëhttp://ace.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%94n_Keu%C3%AB have plans about boycotting Wikipedia, as they say in this statement

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

2010-07-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 July 2010 14:44, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: The Acehnese Wikipedia is a young project. They are entitled to their mistakes. It is for this reason important that we first talk with them about what it is that they do. We should not start talking TO them about what

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

2010-07-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 July 2010 17:58, Excirial wp.excir...@gmail.com wrote: If a culture sees these images as highly offensive, and if the main complement of editors / readers agrees with this i wouldn't object to such a rule, as long as it remained in their local Wiki, with no attempts to force it on other

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

2010-07-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 July 2010 18:51, Lars Åge Kamfjord lars@kamfjord.org wrote:  I removed the template from the main page after a short discussion among stewards. If they don't want the images to be on Wikipedia; advertising where the images can be found on the main page is not the best way of doing

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

2010-07-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 July 2010 19:08, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote: Sod? Is every single rule on Wikipedia completely determined by NPOV? If not, then there apparently is some leeway, some possibility of having different rules. And if that is the case, then isn't the Wikipedia thing to do to

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

2010-07-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 July 2010 19:14, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: Er, en:wp, and other languages, are outstandingly owned by the Western democratic cultures of the US and Europe. It's what makes us able to show pictures that those of another culture might be willing to kill someone for. They do,

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

2010-07-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 July 2010 22:57, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: The prohibition against illustrating Mohammed in (some?) muslim culture is no more a personal opinion than a decision we would make not to show, for example, certain sexual imagery or images of violence; there's certainly imagery in

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-07-04 Thread David Gerard
I am at the Sunday pre-Wikimania meet up, and have had several people tell me I'm being a major dick, and that even if they're wrong then I'm wronger. And they're right. So I hereby admit to being wrong both in what I asked and how I asked it, and beg your forgiveness. And I bet you don't see

Re: [Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-07-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 July 2010 21:20, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: No, which makes it especially worth appreciating, on three levels. First, is says something good about the person. Second, it can really move a discussion along. And third, it serves as an example for future discussions, like

Re: [Foundation-l] 2010-11 Annual Plan Now Posted to FoundationWebsite

2010-07-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 July 2010 17:35, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Birgitte SB birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: David Gerard writes: http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2007/04/10/disaster-recovery-planning/ Can we reasonably say that everything else on the list

Re: [Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-07-03 Thread David Gerard
On 4 July 2010 02:03, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: On 07/03/2010 04:47 PM, David Gerard wrote: Well. not really. He's asking the same question Greg Maxwell and I asked last month about the language list defaulting to open rather than closed: If a wiki voted for it, would

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against copyleft

2010-06-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 June 2010 11:53, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: The point of my post was, of course, that ASCAP are attempting to apply pressure to Congress to outlaw the licence most Wikimedia content is released under (by its creators). They want to stop the actual creators of content from

[Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against copyleft

2010-06-25 Thread David Gerard
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/06/ascap-assails-free-culture-digital-rights-groups/ They're actually gathering money to fight free content. We may need to do something about this. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against copyleft

2010-06-25 Thread David Gerard
On 25 June 2010 23:15, James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 6:04 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/06/ascap-assails-free-culture-digital-rights-groups/ They're actually gathering money to fight free content. We may

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against copyleft

2010-06-25 Thread David Gerard
On 25 June 2010 23:46, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Exactly how does Creative Commons steal music lyrics? I'm not following you. It only relates to it if someone is trying to derail a thread. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-24 Thread David Gerard
On 23 June 2010 21:31, Mariano Cecowski marianocecow...@yahoo.com.ar wrote: --- El mié 23-jun-10, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net escribió: I always think than not using reCaptcha is a shame, as it's a nice way to get people to proofread text in a reasonably efficient way. It would be really

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Board resolution commissioning study and recommendations

2010-06-24 Thread David Gerard
On 24 June 2010 19:28, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote: That's the meaning, definitely, same as it was in the previous board statement. I would observe, too, that for material on user pages, if you're even going to ask whether it's educational, what is it going to educate people

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Board resolution commissioning study and recommendations

2010-06-24 Thread David Gerard
On 24 June 2010 19:50, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/24/2010 10:40 PM, Michael Snow wrote: I recommend that people not confuse educational with pedagogical or try to divorce its interpretation from the context of the particular project. Historical records have educational

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-23 Thread David Gerard
On 23 June 2010 15:34, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Tisza Gergo gti...@gmail.com wrote: Magnus Manske magnusman...@... writes: Basically, this will (on the search page only!) look at the last query run (the one currently in the edit box),

Re: [Foundation-l] Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

2010-06-23 Thread David Gerard
On 19 June 2010 19:00, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Ryan Lomonaco wrote: A housekeeping note: Gmail has been marking some list messages as spam for the past five days or so. Google is evil. Your message ended up in my Gmail spam ;-p - d.

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread David Gerard
On 22 June 2010 14:06, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: There is a major problem with latin names in a number of taxa. It seems that if tehre are 5 consecutive wet days in Summer a couple of researchers put their heads together and concoct new names, move things about, split, or combine

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread David Gerard
On 22 June 2010 15:20, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: The common name in any language has more stability as far as the lay person is concerned. the lay person shouldn't have to first find the latin name of an organism when looking it up:

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Wikipedia...

2010-06-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 June 2010 21:07, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't the quote backwards? The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works in practice. It could never work in theory? I vaguely remember it on wikien-l many years ago. I have no idea if that was its first use. - d.

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Wikipedia...

2010-06-17 Thread David Gerard
Here's the phrase in a 1988 sociology paper: http://jpart.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/1/1/19 I'd call it a pretty obvious play on words, though, so I really doubt we got it from that. Anyone got a complete wikien-l archive to grovel through? - d.

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia trade mark misuse

2010-06-14 Thread David Gerard
On 15 June 2010 00:17, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: You are claiming the law is complicated. But the facts are plain and simple, and no amount of FUDD is going to support a view that there is any reasonable justification (by moral or juridifical standards) to claim WMF is

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia trade mark misuse

2010-06-14 Thread David Gerard
On 15 June 2010 00:25, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not suggesting we should claim a trademark on the word wiki (it wouldn't stand up). I'm suggesting that wiki when used as the name of an encyclopaedia is sufficiently similar to Wikipedia to cause confusion in the market

Re: [Foundation-l] Collapsed galleries for particularly explicit images

2010-06-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 June 2010 17:54, Excirial wp.excir...@gmail.com wrote: This has been discussed many times on many occasions. It comes up every year or two, in accordance with the typical 18-24 month cycle of Wikipedia contribution. The discussion is pretty much the same every time. - d.

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010-06-07 Thread David Gerard
On 7 June 2010 14:55, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote: If you don't know the history of racial issues in the US, you might not realize just how serious a subject lynching is. In that cultural context, it is not

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010-06-07 Thread David Gerard
On 7 June 2010 16:52, Eugene Eric Kim ee...@blueoxen.com wrote: Good design isn't just about following the user path; it's also about guiding the users in a way that's appropriate to the mission of the work. This appears to sum up the problem with this change: the usability team focused on

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a BadIdea, part 2

2010-06-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 June 2010 19:03, susanpgard...@gmail.com wrote: Austin, think about who everyone is.  The folks here on foundation-l are not representative of readers.  The job of the user experience team is to try to balance all readers' needs, which is not easy, and will sometimes involve making

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a BadIdea, part 2

2010-06-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 June 2010 19:40, Aphaia aph...@gmail.com wrote: What is the good reason usability team thought data from English Wikipedia visitors' behaviors and alone were enough to design for all other 200+ languages' readership? It looks me an obvious mistake in opposition of your statement.

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010-06-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 June 2010 13:00, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/6/4 Jon Harald Søby jhs...@gmail.com: When you are monolingual and are already on your native language Wikipedia there isn't really a lot of use in going to another language. What's more, when that language is the one with the

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010-06-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 June 2010 19:58, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps a suitable compromise can be devised, but in the meantime, the only appropriate solution is to display the interwiki links by default.  It's unfortunate that this fix was reverted, let alone in the name of usability.

Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

2010-06-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 June 2010 16:14, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: If you can link in your notifications to a handy guide to contesting a DMCA takedown notice, that would probably answer the concerns in this thread. It's clear that people weren't sure if they could re-add things at all, ever, after

Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

2010-06-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 June 2010 21:42, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: There are several handy online guides for how to file DMCA counter-notices. It is very easy and doesn't require hiring a lawyer. The only catch is that by filing the counter-notice you are putting your money where your mouth is

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer

2010-06-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 June 2010 20:40, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: Self-deprecating humour is another great weapon. It is very difficult to understand when you believe that you are in the most powerful nation in the world. Americans understand humor, whereas Canadians understand *humour*. - d.

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010-06-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 June 2010 19:04, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Yes, we discussed this internally as well as a better path to exposse Wikipedia's multilingual nature than to dump a long list of native language names in the sidebar (we might have an expansion link such as Show X other languages

Re: [Foundation-l] Visual impairment

2010-05-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 May 2010 09:08, Elias Gabriel Amaral da Silva tolkiend...@gmail.com wrote: i think the best effect of recaptcha is psychological, since this meaningless task may be perceived as useful for some noble task. and it's good that we manage to be able to fool ourselves that way, captchas are

Re: [Foundation-l] A Board member's perspective

2010-05-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 May 2010 00:38, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: I think we will only make progress when we accept the apologies of the people involved.  I can understand that they want to at least formally defend the original board statement, but I think they--and we all- -recognize that the

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening

2010-05-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 May 2010 21:50, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: Even more than what  Ray says: +1 to this entire email. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] Spectrum of views (was Re: Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening)

2010-05-11 Thread David Gerard
On 11 May 2010 16:44, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: There are other resources which address these subject areas in a manner which religious conservatives may find more acceptable, such as conservapedia. Actually, Conservapedia has almost no readers or editors. (Its activity rate

Re: [Foundation-l] Spectrum of views (was Re: Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening)

2010-05-11 Thread David Gerard
On 11 May 2010 17:45, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, and that's inevitable.  You aren't going to please people who have ideological problems with Wikipedia's entire premise.  But leaving aside people who think nudity is morally wrong on principle, we are still left

Re: [Foundation-l] Spectrum of views (was Re: Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening)

2010-05-11 Thread David Gerard
On 11 May 2010 21:42, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:48 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: You're a developer. Write something for logged-in users to block images in local or Commons categories they don't want to see. You're the target

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening

2010-05-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 May 2010 19:14, Noein prono...@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand exactly your thoughts. What happens to someone who wants to navigate Wikipedia or use Commons but doesn't want to reach offending (according to his/her personal sensibility) pages? If this person wants a protecting tool,

[Foundation-l] Filtering ourselves is pointless

2010-05-10 Thread David Gerard
Despite Content Purge, Pornographic Images Remain on Wikimedia By Jana Winter http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/05/10/porn-wikipedia-illegal-content-remains/ Any attempt to filter ourselves is not addressing the fact that the images exist at all on Commons. Any attempted appeasement of these

Re: [Foundation-l] Filtering ourselves is pointless

2010-05-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 May 2010 22:32, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:31 PM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: Can you point me to major media entities that have accepted the notion that Fox News was correct? I'm referring to the conclusion that one, in my

Re: [Foundation-l] Board members positions toward Jimmy's last action

2010-05-09 Thread David Gerard
On 9 May 2010 07:30, Samuel J Klein s...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 12:31 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: It's board members directly asserting control over content. Of course it's a major issue. Perish the thought.  The Board is not controlling content - I would

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's Sexual Image Deletions

2010-05-09 Thread David Gerard
On 9 May 2010 02:20, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: Given that several Commons admins had dropped out, and bearing in mind the clean-up campaign called for by the board and Jimbo, I put in an RFA at Commons, saying I would help clean up pornographic images *that are not in use by

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's Sexual Image Deletions

2010-05-09 Thread David Gerard
On 9 May 2010 07:45, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: True. The resignations are deeply unfortunate, and I hope those who have left will still contribute to the ensuing discussions - their opinions are among those badly needed to find the right way forward. deeply unfortunate is, far

Re: [Foundation-l] Statement on appropriate educational content

2010-05-09 Thread David Gerard
On 9 May 2010 06:09, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Bugzilla 982[1]  MediaWiki should support ICRA's PICS content labeling. From my understanding without reading much about it, It [ICRA] is ment to be a international or at least a standard for these things which most people seem to

Re: [Foundation-l] Board members positions toward Jimmy's last action

2010-05-09 Thread David Gerard
On 9 May 2010 13:26, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 6:23 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: The overriding question will be the editorial role of the board. The Board has no editorial role, on Commons or on any other Project, nunless you consider high

Re: [Foundation-l] Potential ICRA labels for Wikipedia

2010-05-09 Thread David Gerard
On 9 May 2010 21:17, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote: The tags applied should be clear and fact-based. So instead of tagging a page as containing pornography, which is entirely subjective, we should rather tag the page as contains a depiction of an erect penis or contains a depiction of

Re: [Foundation-l] Potential ICRA labels for Wikipedia

2010-05-09 Thread David Gerard
On 9 May 2010 21:28, Mikemoral mikemoral...@gmail.com wrote: By why censor Commons? Should educational material be freely viewed and, of course, be made free to read, use, etc. Well, yes. The apparent reason is that Fox News is making trouble. Categorisation, labeling, etc. won't fix that -

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening

2010-05-09 Thread David Gerard
On 10 May 2010 00:04, Sue Gardner susanpgard...@gmail.com wrote: My view is that Jimmy and others have brought closure to the scope of Jimmy's authority question. In saying that, I don't mean to diminish the importance of that question -- I realize that many people are angry about what's

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's Sexual Image Deletions

2010-05-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 May 2010 11:17, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote: it depends. Please point to me what you mean so that I can give you my opinion on the cases. They've been named in this thread repeatedly. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Board members positions toward Jimmy's last action

2010-05-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 May 2010 17:29, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Well, we as a community don't require such individual statements about any other issue; I realize this may be a personal dealbreaker for you but it doesn't seem like the single most important issue of our day. I'd much rather hear

Re: [Foundation-l] Board members positions toward Jimmy's last action

2010-05-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 May 2010 17:46, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: As far as which capacity, I think Jimmy's own statements make this abundantly clear regardless of what the PR spin says: I am fully willing to change the policies for adminship (including removing adminship in case of wheel

Re: [Foundation-l] Statement on appropriate educational content

2010-05-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 May 2010 18:35, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote: Commons, Wikiquote and Wikisource has by themselves no educational value. They gain their educational value in the way that they provide repositories for the other

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-07 Thread David Gerard
On 7 May 2010 16:08, teun spaans teun.spa...@gmail.com wrote: this statement surprises me. Why was the foundation involved in the localization of Freecol, a game with little or no historic information (compared with other historic games such as europa universalis)? translatewiki is not a

[Foundation-l] How to make unstoppable petty complaint a feature?

2010-05-05 Thread David Gerard
[This was a passing comment I made on wikien-l, but it's a reasonably serious topic for consideration in how the wikisphere works.] No matter how much work is put into flagged revisions on en:wp, it is 100% certain that it will be greeted with deafening whinging. This is not a reason not to make

Re: [Foundation-l] How to make unstoppable petty complaint a feature?

2010-05-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 May 2010 17:13, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: And perhaps the complaining can be even put to use; is there some way to get people to complain about bad complaints? Up/down rating feature on complaints. Bugzilla has votes for this purpose. But many web boards work quite well

Re: [Foundation-l] How to make unstoppable petty complaint a feature?

2010-05-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 May 2010 17:13, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: Thanks for bringing this up, David. I must point out I'm not at all talking about just flagged revisions - I mean the perpetual complaints, petty and significant (and one often resembling the other) that happen in the wake of many

Re: [Foundation-l] Vandalize wikipedia day on facebook

2010-05-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 May 2010 21:16, Kul Takanao Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org wrote: As I was contacting the FB product team this morning (PST time) I noticed that it was already taken down through the normal channels. Thanks to everyone for finding and reporting this. I think it's worth noting that such

Re: [Foundation-l] Vandalize wikipedia day on facebook

2010-05-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 May 2010 21:37, masti mast...@gmail.com wrote: There are also two groups: Vandalize Wikipedia http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/group.php?gid=108626792509959ref=ts and I Vandalize Wikipedia http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/group.php?gid=2210946918ref=ts I'd suggest don't get all

Re: [Foundation-l] Heads up: Wikipedia on Facebook

2010-04-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 April 2010 21:08, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com wrote: I would go with Contribute to this article - click edit button that takes you back to the Wikipedia, where new editors can edit to their hearts' content without the ads getting into the way of the knowledge project. Yep. But

[Foundation-l] Fwd: Help building List of things that need to be free

2010-04-09 Thread David Gerard
FYI. I know a few people on this list have been pursuing these ideas assiduously. - d. -- Forwarded message -- From: Kristofer Bjornson dafe...@hotmail.com Date: 9 April 2010 12:19 Subject: [Foundation-l] Help building List of things that need to be free To:

Re: [Foundation-l] Help building List of things that need to be free

2010-04-09 Thread David Gerard
On 9 April 2010 12:21, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: FYI. I know a few people on this list have been pursuing these ideas assiduously. oops, meant that for wikimediauk-l, sorry! - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l

[Foundation-l] Productive output of English Wikiversity

2010-04-06 Thread David Gerard
On 6 April 2010 22:16, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: And actually his contribution to English Wikiversity is impressive: More than a half of his edits over there are related to this open letter, and only one edit (typo corrected) is a contribution to the Wikiversity core

[Foundation-l] Petition to shut down Wikiversity

2010-04-05 Thread David Gerard
FYI: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Petition_to_Shut_Down_Wikiversity - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] open letter by Wikiversity users to the WMF Board of Trustees

2010-04-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 April 2010 13:56, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I am concerned, there have been a few persons who manifested themselves as not taking no for an answer, who were blocked on several projects, who moved to Wikiversity and continued their campaign they were

Re: [Foundation-l] open letter by Wikiversity users to the WMF Board of Trustees

2010-04-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 April 2010 17:15, H hillgentle...@gmail.com wrote: Get your facts straight.  Private Musing was not globally blocked and Jimbo Wales did block him out of process and Jimbo Wales did wheel-war with the local custodians;  the allegations of Jimbo Wales had involved a project in which even

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works

2010-04-01 Thread David Gerard
On 1 April 2010 14:58, Alison M. Wheeler wikime...@alisonwheeler.com wrote: 2. Taking an image from a satellite or aeroplane image requires no copyrightable skill: Camera points down, takes images at fixed focus at regular time intervals. Images are published. Minor detail - although this

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 March 2010 22:42, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: This seems to me to be an extremely strange and unusual interpretation of the Foundation's policy on copyrighted images.  I am not aware of anyone else having brought this up on other Wikis. There are occasional attempts

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