Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter?

2010-09-29 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Mariano Cecowski marianocecow...@yahoo.com.ar wrote: Gerard; if New York got to be a Chapter (or a SubChapter for what it matters) then Kosovo can definitely be one as well. The question of whether it would end up being an independent chapter, or a

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter?

2010-09-28 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:45 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 September 2010 12:40, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 September 2010 21:02, Joan Goma jrg...@gmail.com wrote: We are here to promote Wikimedia projects not to promote Serbia union nor Kosovo

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter? Re: Fwd: SFK100 Press Release

2010-09-27 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 19:13, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: If the Kosovans are willing to wait, it would be make our lives much easier if we wait until the international community makes up their minds,

[Foundation-l] Fwd: SFK100 Press Release

2010-09-22 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
. The presentations and detailed information on the conference can be found at www.kosovasoftwarefreedom.org -- For Immediate Release FLOSS Kosova i...@flossk.org On Sep 22, 3:04 pm, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: here is a rough translation

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against copyleft

2010-06-29 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: Andre Engels wrote: On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:17 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: A video of an amateur singer trying to sing a song is also a copyright violation - they are publishing the song, and do not own the

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-07 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, 2010/5/7 Noein prono...@gmail.com: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Now, one of the unsolved questions of the WMF is: how do we plan to communicate with analphabets? Thinking that analphabets would get

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com No, it won't. People have been saying that for years and the fact remains that a screen full of a text with a few relevant images is a much better way to convey information than VR. openstreetmap.org is a very good way to convey spatial

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-04-01 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 7:49 AM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com Additionally there is a video talk from the SoTM 08 from Ed Parsons on this topic http://vimeo.com/6751141 Ed Parsons: What Map Maker is / is not at SOTM08 Additionally, please see this blog post , it is even more relevant to our

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-04-01 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: Andre Engels wrote: The thought process (note: I do not agree with it) goes like this: * A map or a sattelite photograph is copyrighted material * Taking a location from a map or a photograph is getting a derivative

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-04-01 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:00 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/1/2010 12:24:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com writes: As I said, the selection of these coordinates is a work, and if you dont have any image available you cannot do so. What

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-04-01 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: A good counter example is the use of OpenStreetMap after the Haiti disaster.. it is based on the same kinds of data that is put into doubt in a different context. That was done only after OSM received explicit

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-04-01 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, We are talking at cross purposes. What I am talking about are applications of geo data like these   -   http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2010/03/swedes-have-their-map-support.html   -  

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-04-01 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On this note, there is no real discussion of the copyright and licensing issues on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Obtaining_geographic_coordinates#Google_tools It says : There are various ways to obtain geographic coordinates. Note that regardless of the source of coordinates,

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-04-01 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
in the real world. Thanks,     GerardM On 1 April 2010 12:07, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: On this note, there is no real discussion of the copyright and licensing issues on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Obtaining_geographic_coordinates

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-04-01 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Kwan Ting Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Guys, Lets get back to one point : terms of service. We are talking about copyright here the whole time, but the contract agreement in the terms of service are much more binding

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works

2010-04-01 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Alison M. Wheeler wikime...@alisonwheeler.com wrote: This whole thread is striking me as akin to a child going but why every five seconds ad infinitem. I am sorry that you feel that way, at least some people have acknowledged some of my points. I wish we would

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works

2010-04-01 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: Wikipedia is operates under US copyright law, w/ servers On the otherhand, openstreetmap is based in the uk with servers in London, and operates under uk/european law. Thank you so much, that is the most rational explaination I

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-04-01 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:35 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Maps are not Points.  You're setting up an argument quite different from that with which you started.  They aren't great maps, they're awful maps :)  Explain your bias!  Do you work for Google Maps and are just here trolling us?  

[Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-03-31 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Hi there, I am working alot on openstreetmap.org and there seems to be a big difference in how the copyrights of the maps are handled in Wikipedia. In wikipedia you will find maps that have no real sources claimed, and they are not checked. People can just upload any and all maps that they

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-03-31 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Now some background : Today, I found a map of Albania with no sources mentioned , and currently I am working on mapping Albania. That is why I bring this up. With all these maps in wikipedia, how can the authors possible be the creators of the whole map, there are very few cases of maps that are

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-03-31 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:45 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/31/2010 1:30:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com writes: (e) use the Products in a manner that gives you or any other person access to mass downloads or bulk feeds of any Content

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-03-31 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Mike, Thank you for starting this thread.  The most important point, from my perspective, is that the policies on OSM and Wikipedia are not compatible, in a way that makes geodata from Wikipedia time-consuming or

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal for a new Wikimedia Project

2010-03-16 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Thats great, I would like to see street and place names as well. On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:35 AM, Chris Lee theornamental...@gmail.comwrote: Hello Wikimedians! I'm not sure how far this email will reach or if this is the right platform, but I would like to advertise my idea: please follow

[Foundation-l] Money for the Prishtina Insight

2010-02-16 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Hi, I wonder if you know about : http://prishtinainsight.com/ They have a great newspaper that is very informative. Problem is: it is lacking funding. My idea is that we would raise funding from wikimedia to buy articles from them to put in the wikipedia. Or we would raise funding from other

[Foundation-l] Mediawiki to C++ , here we go

2010-02-02 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
This is exactly what I was working on : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/02/facebook_hiphop_unveiled/ Compile php to c++. mike ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] Mediawiki to C++ , here we go

2010-02-02 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
http://www.phpcompiler.org/lists/phc-general/2009-February/000894.html On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This is exactly what I was working on : Where can we read more about your work? Domas ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia and Environment

2009-12-13 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: Дана Saturday 12 December 2009 17:41:44 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com написа: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Do we have an idea of the energy consumption related to the online

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia and Environment

2009-12-13 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Let me sum this up, The basic optimization is this : You don't need to transfer that new article in every revision to all users at all times. The central server could just say : this is the last revision that has been released by the editors responsible for it, there are 100 edits in process and

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia and Environment

2009-12-12 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Do we have an idea of the energy consumption related to the online access to a Wikipedia article ? Some people say that a few minutes long search on a search engine costs as much energy as boiling water for a cup of tea : is

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia meets git

2009-10-21 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Joshua Gay joshua...@gmail.com wrote: Since there are other people out there, perhaps we can start a mediawiki-git discussion list and/or wiki discussion page? I'd love to post the work I'm doing, too as it starts to come together. Sounds great Josh, lets

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia meets git

2009-10-21 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Wow, I am impressed. Let me remind you of one thing, most people are working on very small subsets of the data. Very few people will want to have all the data, think about getting all the versions from all the git repos, it would be the same. My idea is for smaller chapters who want to get started

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia meets git

2009-10-17 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 3:39 AM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: see my new blogpost word leve blaming for wikipedia via git and perl ... http://fmtyewtk.blogspot.com/2009/10/mediawiki-git-word-level-blaming-one.html

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia meets git

2009-10-16 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Denny Vrandecic denny.vrande...@kit.edu wrote: That is pretty cool. But wouldn't it make more sense to have a more- fine grained blame, like the one in wikitrust, down to the character level? Can you please provide some example pages of wikitrust? they seem to

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia meets git

2009-10-15 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:38 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: There are ways to optimize all of this. Most users will not want to download the full history. Then why are you

Re: [Foundation-l] (no subject)

2009-10-14 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Gregory Kohs thekoh...@gmail.com wrote: It strikes me that this is something that Creative Commons or other organizations with Godwin-like attorneys should be aggressively pursuing, but we didn't hear from any of them in the original thread, did we?  Mike,

Re: [Foundation-l] Reader script is running

2009-10-11 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Hi all, Have just checked in the changes, now have an upload script to commons.wikimedia.org, https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesmikedupont/introspectorreader/wikipedia-strategy/ I have added three videos: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Semantic_wiki-web

[Foundation-l] Reader script is running

2009-10-10 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Hi all, I have gotten my old youtube introspector::reader script now running on the wikimedia strategy, and am reading all the english articles as youtube videos. All the code is checked in. Here is an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsuoRQDsWCo The idea is to use latex to format the

Re: [Foundation-l] Deletopedia for the history of Kosovo

2009-10-06 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Milos Writes : Treating Albanian nationalist POV as a fictional world is the best way how to explain to Serbian nationalists that they are right :P (Wikinfo is the right place for that.) Well I do not want to make any judgements on right or wrong, fiction or fact. But I do not have a

Re: [Foundation-l] Deletopedia for the history of Kosovo

2009-10-06 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: is related to using althistory.wikia for that purpose :) Maybe that choice was bad. A wikibook would be better. mike ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] Deletopedia for the history of Kosovo

2009-10-06 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: As I've told you on IRC, there is absolutely no chance of you getting hold of that particular data file, especially not with the purpose of publishing parts of it. Thats understandable. There might be other

[Foundation-l] Deletopedia for the history of Kosovo

2009-10-05 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Hello all, I am working on a Deletopedia for the history of Kosovo, to put them into the althistory wikia. http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/History_of_Kosovo_(Albanian_Version) for this purpose I would like to have access to the Deleted page and revision data. (private) From the database

[Foundation-l] Life Long Learning Virtual Conference

2009-09-28 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Hello list , Based on the foundation proposals and the other projects that I am working on, I have chosen something that I think mixes in with the wikimedia foundation, creative commons, opencourseware and openstreetmap. it is the goal of life long learning and sharing of knowledge, from your

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning process update

2009-09-24 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Eugene Eric Kim ee...@blueoxen.com wrote: Hi everybody, Hi there, Thanks for the chance to submit some ideas. I have started a review process and have been reading the proposals and backgrounders on youtube.

Re: [Foundation-l] Creative Commons publishes report on defining Non-commercial

2009-09-15 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
This brings up my favorite subject: Is working on Free software or Wikipedia defined as Commercial non profit work? It is my opinion that we should be careful of people who are using restricted software for contributions because it might be in violation of some licenses. commercial business

Re: [Foundation-l] Creative Commons publishes report on defining Non-commercial, Is Wikpedia non commercial?

2009-09-15 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
...@eunet.yu wrote: jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: It is my opinion that we should be careful of people who are using restricted software for contributions because it might be in violation of some licenses. No, we should not. Whatever licenses they are violating, we are not a party

Re: [Foundation-l] Creative Commons publishes report on defining Non-commercial, Is Wikpedia non commercial?

2009-09-15 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
I would like a professional opinion on the question : Better stated, I would like your opinion on this, if it is not off topic.    Is wikipedia non commercial or commercial non profit? Is working on the wikipedia more like a commercial non profit work and not really non commecial in terms of the

Re: [Foundation-l] Creative Commons publishes report on defining Non-commercial, Is Wikpedia non commercial?

2009-09-15 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: I've never heard of a major software company hauling someone to court over a non-commercial/educational use license, and while it's probably happened I

Re: [Foundation-l] Creative Commons publishes report on defining Non-commercial, Is Wikpedia non commercial?

2009-09-15 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:47 AM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: snip Basically I am worred about these student versions of windows infecting open source projects with illegal

Re: [Foundation-l] Do we have a complete set of WMF projects?

2009-09-12 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: Another idea that I encountered somewhere (not currently sure where) was to create a global wiki directory to essentially replace the yellow pages.  

Re: [Foundation-l] Do we have a complete set of WMF projects?

2009-09-12 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 2:17 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: You have this directory already! Just extract all the deleted articles that are not notible. you will have all the small

Re: [Foundation-l] Do we have a complete set of WMF projects?

2009-09-12 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: Well, ideally we will have wikipedia articles about every street in Prizren, and they are going to be illustrated by your pictures (I hope there is fop in Kosovo). Yes? I can create them. How would I name them?

Re: [Foundation-l] Do we have a complete set of WMF projects?

2009-09-12 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Just updated http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_du_Change has a link to this : http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/26127031 But realistically, we need to be able to match them together with error tolerances. These two small differences are very small. see the red dot:

Re: [Foundation-l] Do we have a complete set of WMF projects?

2009-09-11 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 9/8/09 3:56 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/9/8 Pedro Sanchezpdsanc...@gmail.com: Geographical/atlas/map kind ofproject granted, there's wikimapia and other external equivalents but we (Wikimedia) are lacking it Is

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible trademark infringement

2009-04-27 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Hi, I would like to thank you for sharing this link, because now I am more informed about Yoda, Darth Vader and the force, that made my day! mike ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia IdeaTorrent?

2009-01-29 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Thanks for the encouragement, I would be willing to do some coding for this on my free time. My philosophy is evolutionary development. I could at least do a code review and design on how it would fit. Right now I am using the google docs to host polls, it is very good. I think the basic