Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-16 Thread KIZU Naoko
A short note on an individual basis of my own (not community's behalf): On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 3:42 AM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote: To be very clear: a decision on English Wikipedia to take action on this is not binding on Commons. Fine but it wouldn't be a bad idea to

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-14 Thread Bastien Guerry
Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org writes: I think Liam and Dominic are correct on this. Most cultural institutions, especially libraries, are very much on our side on copyright issues. I have no doubt on this. But see my concrete real-world example, where the Archives of Toulouse uses

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-14 Thread Tom Morris
On 14 January 2012 10:15, Bastien Guerry b...@altern.org wrote: Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org writes: I think Liam and Dominic are correct on this. Most cultural institutions, especially libraries, are very much on our side on copyright issues. I have no doubt on this. But see my

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 January 2012 10:58, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: I'm seeing a rough consensus for action on English Wikipedia, and German Wikipedians seem to be up for acting in solidarity, but, as I've said on the page on enwiki, I don't see how enwiki consensus for a SOPA action ought to bind

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-14 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:58:41 +, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: I think the concern will be dependent on whether Commons is covered in the blackout (and whether the 'full' shutdown goes ahead or the 'pop-up plus banners' that seems to be getting most traction on enwiki). I'm seeing

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-14 Thread Svip
On 14 January 2012 12:20, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:58:41 +, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: I think the concern will be dependent on whether Commons is covered in the blackout (and whether the 'full' shutdown goes ahead or the 'pop-up plus

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-14 Thread Philippe Beaudette
To be very clear: a decision on English Wikipedia to take action on this is not binding on Commons. ___ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 phili...@wikimedia.org To check my email volume (and thus know approx how long it

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-14 Thread cyrano
Le 14/01/2012 08:20, Yaroslav M. Blanter a écrit : On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:58:41 +, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: I think the concern will be dependent on whether Commons is covered in the blackout (and whether the 'full' shutdown goes ahead or the 'pop-up plus banners' that seems to

[Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-13 Thread emijrp
Forwarding an alarming e-mail for your interest. -- Forwarded message -- From: Wade Mollison i...@demandprogress.org Date: 2012/1/13 Subject: Wikipedia To: \emijrp\ emi...@gmail.com Emily, Quick request: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA, the Internet

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-13 Thread Paolo Massa
There is a dedicated website too. http://www.wikipediablackout.com/ On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:58 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: Forwarding an alarming e-mail for your interest. -- Forwarded message -- From: Wade Mollison i...@demandprogress.org Date: 2012/1/13 Subject:

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-13 Thread Liam Wyatt
Relatedly, where is the updated, latest discussion on what Wikimedia's response (if anything) is going to be? Presumably there is are several on-wiki debates, but because there are different potential levels of blackout (all project blackout, geo-located blackout, single-project blackout,

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-13 Thread Maggie Dennis
Just a quick note that it was the subject of yesterday's office hours, which includes several links to on-Wiki discussions: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2012-01-12 Maggie On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: Relatedly, where is

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-13 Thread Bastien Guerry
A nice side-effect of such a black-out will be to send GLAM institutions this message: Don't use Wikipedia as a storage service, use your own websites and free licenses instead. I would not spend time, energy and money on a service that can block my contents without even warning and/or asking

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-13 Thread Liam Wyatt
On 13 January 2012 13:27, Bastien Guerry b...@altern.org wrote: A nice side-effect of such a black-out will be to send GLAM institutions this message: Don't use Wikipedia as a storage service, use your own websites and free licenses instead. I would not spend time, energy and money on a

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-13 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
I would not spend time, energy and money on a service that can block my contents without even warning and/or asking me. Especially if I'm a public service, which is often the case for GLAMs. -- Bastien ... Temporarily disabling access in protest is not the same as blocking my

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-13 Thread Bastien Guerry
Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com writes: We have never proposed Wikimedia Commons as a storage service for GLAMs. We have always said they should have their own catalogue and share copies of their multimedia with us (and everyone else) under a free license. That gives provenance and

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-13 Thread Liam Wyatt
On 13 January 2012 14:22, Bastien Guerry b...@altern.org wrote: Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com writes: We have never proposed Wikimedia Commons as a storage service for GLAMs. We have always said they should have their own catalogue and share copies of their multimedia with us (and

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-13 Thread Dominic McDevitt-Parks
On 13 January 2012 09:45, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 January 2012 14:22, Bastien Guerry b...@altern.org wrote: I still expect some of them to react in a way that will make them think twice before participating to an upload project. But maybe that's just me being

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-13 Thread Ryan Kaldari
I think Liam and Dominic are correct on this. Most cultural institutions, especially libraries, are very much on our side on copyright issues. For example, the American Library Association enthusiastically joined us in our amicus brief on Golan v. Holder last year. While there are a few art

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-13 Thread phoebe ayers
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: Relatedly, where is the updated, latest discussion on what Wikimedia's response (if anything) is going to be? Presumably there is are several on-wiki debates, but because there are different potential levels of blackout

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-13 Thread MZMcBride
Bastien Guerry wrote: A nice side-effect of such a black-out will be to send GLAM institutions this message: Don't use Wikipedia as a storage service, use your own websites and free licenses instead. I think this would make a much better CentralNotice banner... Apparently there's now a vote