Re: [Foundation-l] Murdoch newspaper websites to go paywall -opportunity for citizen journalism!

2009-05-11 Thread Magnus Manske
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: At this point in time, the project should act just like any other news organization, and never assume that readers are going to flock to them. How about getting Amazon to offer free Wikinews subscriptions on their

Re: [Foundation-l] Murdoch newspaper websites to go paywall -opportunity for citizen journalism!

2009-05-11 Thread Nathan
The biggest problem for Wikinews in my mind is that delivering news is a competitive and innovative business. In the on-line and comprehensive encyclopedia vacuum, Wikipedia was able to be get there first, with the most and draw eyeballs and participants by being the leader. Wikinews, by contrast,

Re: [Foundation-l] Murdoch newspaper websites to go paywall -opportunity for citizen journalism!

2009-05-11 Thread Sage Ross
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest problem for Wikinews in my mind is that delivering news is a competitive and innovative business. In the on-line and comprehensive encyclopedia vacuum, Wikipedia was able to be get there first, with the most and draw

Re: [Foundation-l] Murdoch newspaper websites to go paywall -opportunity for citizen journalism!

2009-05-11 Thread Lars Aronsson
Magnus Manske wrote: On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Steven Walling How about getting Amazon to offer free Wikinews subscriptions on their Kindle Newspaper channel? They'd have something they can offer for free Wikinews being free (as in CC-BY) or for free doesn't matter, if the

Re: [Foundation-l] Murdoch newspaper websites to go paywall -opportunity for citizen journalism!

2009-05-11 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Sorry if this point may have been brought up before, but a difference between Wikipedia and Wikinews is also the text sort. Journalistic texts have a broader range of stiles, neutrality is handled differently, opinion is less taboo than in an encyclopedia. This makes journalistic texts more

Re: [Foundation-l] Murdoch newspaper websites to go paywall -opportunity for citizen journalism!

2009-05-11 Thread Fred Bauder
If things were different, they would be different. Right now Wikinews can serve as an aggregator of news first published elsewhere, but Google and Yahoo can do it better. We can do some original work, at our own expense. When and if the crisis affecting paper newspapers gets worse an opportunity

Re: [Foundation-l] Murdoch newspaper websites to go paywall -opportunity for citizen journalism!

2009-05-11 Thread Ray Saintonge
Fred Bauder wrote: If things were different, they would be different. Right now Wikinews can serve as an aggregator of news first published elsewhere, but Google and Yahoo can do it better. We can do some original work, at our own expense. When and if the crisis affecting paper newspapers

Re: [Foundation-l] Murdoch newspaper websites to go paywall -opportunity for citizen journalism!

2009-05-11 Thread Ray Saintonge
Nathan wrote: The biggest problem for Wikinews in my mind is that delivering news is a competitive and innovative business. In the on-line and comprehensive encyclopedia vacuum, Wikipedia was able to be get there first, with the most and draw eyeballs and participants by being the leader.

Re: [Foundation-l] Murdoch newspaper websites to go paywall -opportunity for citizen journalism!

2009-05-11 Thread Delirium
Sage Ross wrote: You're right about Wikinews as an all-purpose news source: the commercial sites were there first and do it better. But as a hub of citizen journalism, Wikinews does still have a chance to be the first important site. At this point, the world of citizen journalism is

Re: [Foundation-l] Murdoch newspaper websites to go paywall - opportunity for citizen journalism!

2009-05-10 Thread Goldzahn
My Problem with Wikinews is, that writing news is very time consuming and old news ist rather worthless. So the balance is bad. That is different to e.g. Wikipedia. A more collaborate way of writing news could reduce the cost of writing news, but after publishing it is loosing its worth

Re: [Foundation-l] Murdoch newspaper websites to go paywall -opportunity for citizen journalism!

2009-05-10 Thread Przykuta
My Problem with Wikinews is, that writing news is very time consuming and old news ist rather worthless. So the balance is bad. That is different to e.g. Wikipedia. A more collaborate way of writing news could reduce the cost of writing news, but after publishing it is loosing its worth

Re: [Foundation-l] Murdoch newspaper websites to go paywall -opportunity for citizen journalism!

2009-05-10 Thread Steven Walling
Sage, I really liked your post about Wikinews. I really think that part of the thing holding back Wikinews is not just that they don't have a robust community yet (correct me if I'm wrong), but that they don't have what traditional news sources have: a well-oiled machine to broadcast their content

[Foundation-l] Murdoch newspaper websites to go paywall - opportunity for citizen journalism!

2009-05-07 Thread David Gerard
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/may/07/rupert-murdoch-charging-websites Time for Wikinews to get recruiting ... - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] Murdoch newspaper websites to go paywall - opportunity for citizen journalism!

2009-05-07 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
David Gerard wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/may/07/rupert-murdoch-charging-websites Time for Wikinews to get recruiting ... Haha, Murdoch predicts the death of internet, newsreel at eleven. Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Murdoch newspaper websites to go paywall - opportunity for citizen journalism!

2009-05-07 Thread Brian
I'm with Murdoch on this one. Have you seen what's happening to television at Hulu, and textbooks with the Kindle? Newspapers going behind a paywall is only too obvious. The current business model of give it away but put up some display ads is simply not sustainable. It only exists because a