Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-24 Thread Andre Engels
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Here's the NPPA Code of ethics:   1. Be accurate and comprehensive in the representation of subjects.   2. Resist being manipulated by staged photo opportunities.   3. Be complete and provide context when photographing or

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-23 Thread Ray Saintonge
David Gerard wrote: 2009/4/22 Milos Rancic And if you want to force any kind of neutrality there, you would get the same kind of scientific production which existed in East European countries during 50s and 60s: A (very good) book about ancient Greek literature starts with 20-30 pages of

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-23 Thread Anthony
I'm not sure what the answer is, and I agree with you that it's not easily resolved, but it seems to me that some sort of neutrality policy ought to apply to Commons. In my opinion the universal form of the NPOV policy is simple - be honest. On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Mike.lifeguard

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread Ting Chen
Hallo Brianna, NPOV is mainly a principle of Wikipedia, later also used by Wikibooks and Wikinews. There is at least one project (Wikiversity) which explicitely allow participants not to follow NPOV, but the Disclosure of Point of Views in Wikiversity follow in principle the ideal of NPOV: It

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/22 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de: NPOV is mainly a principle of Wikipedia, later also used by Wikibooks and Wikinews. There is at least one project (Wikiversity) which explicitely allow participants not to follow NPOV, but the Disclosure of Point of Views in Wikiversity follow in

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/22 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: NPOV transformation to general neutrality will work in the most of the cases. A clear example for such transformation is Wikinews. Even called as NPOV, Wikinews neutrality is a different kind of approach because it is a journalistic one. And even

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:32 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I think the point is to have whatever would be the locally relevant version of neutrality. On Wikipedia it's NPOV. On Commons or Wikisource, I expect it would be neutrality of subject matter. Etc. The key point would be

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:20 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: And if you want to force any kind of neutrality there, you would get the same kind of scientific production which existed in East European countries during 50s and 60s: A (very good) book about ancient Greek literature

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Brianna Laugher brianna.laug...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/21 Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net: The Wikimedia Foundation takes this opportunity to reiterate some core principles related

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/22 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:20 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: And if you want to force any kind of neutrality there, you would get the same kind of scientific production which existed in East European countries during 50s and 60s: A (very

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread Birgitte SB
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Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, There is a difference between the way photo journalists work and the way most of the illustrations come to Commons. The NPPA code of ethics are clearly written for active press journalists. They get paid for what they do. Also the NPPA is a USA national entity and consequently their rules do

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value? (was Re: Board statement regarding biographies of living people)

2009-04-22 Thread Mike.lifeguard
I would love to see these adopted for Commons photographers. The issue will become knowing when these principles are being violated. For example, if you're going to alter audio to serve your own POV, you're not going to make it obvious you've done so. Detection is one problem, but even if you've